UN Global Gun Ban?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
So... less guns=less gun related killings, right? Wrong. Well, maybe atleast with a gun, but it would all still be the same. There will still be rapists, murderers, and robberies. Period.

And banning guns does not simply mean everyone just gives up their fire-arms. Not by a long shot.

But less murders....because to kill someone with a gun is easy as hell....to beat someone to death not so much. It will jsut be less....god. How can one not see that.

It means by a long shot that there will be way less firearms....that's the point.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But less murders....because to kill someone with a gun is easy as hell....to beat someone to death not so much. It will jsut be less....god. How can one not see that.

Obviously you haven't walked out into the streets at night. There many alternatives to kill a person.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It means by a long shot that there will be way less firearms....that's the point.

But who's going to give up their fire-arms? Putting a ban on guns will not make guns disappear.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Obviously you haven't walked out into the streets at night. There many alternatives to kill a person.

But who's going to give up their fire-arms? Putting a ban on guns will not make guns disappear.

No one doubts that...but guns make it a lot easier.

Well everyone that is caught with one will ge punished...in the long run people will give up there guns, and the black market for them will decrease as well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No one doubts that...but guns make it a lot easier.

So does a bow and arrow... a crossbow... throwing knives... I mean, my god, you can make a bomb out of simple house hold appliances. It doesn't get any easier than that. Even with guns

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well everyone that is caught with one will ge punished...in the long run people will give up there guns, and the black market for them will decrease as well.

You're speaking of civil war my friend. You're not just talking about taking away a weapon, but a right backed up by the constitution. No one is going to simply give up without first fighting for a right that was given to them.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Eh, you do realise that the crimes committed with fire-arms is still close to 400,00, right? Just imagine if those guns were taken away! The number of crimes committed with fire-arms would be...wait a second...I'm working this out...Hmmm...getting close...got it: 0. That's nice, isn't it?

Here let's help you yet again understand what a gun ban really does. It gets rid of the guns that LAWFUL citizens would attain. Criminals still get guns they don't care about the law.

I guess throughout history when there were no guns, crimes just didn't exist. Please tell me of a country where there are gun bans and ZERO gun related crimes.

Originally posted by Soleran
Here let's help you yet again understand what a gun ban really does. It gets rid of the guns that LAWFUL citizens would attain. Criminals still get guns they don't care about the law.

I guess throughout history when there were no guns, crimes just didn't exist. Please tell me of a country where there are gun bans and ZERO gun related crimes.

No one says zero, it is LESS....yes, less gun related crimes...you don't really want to deny that, do you?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
So does a bow and arrow... a crossbow... throwing knives... I mean, my god, you can make a bomb out of simple house hold appliances. It doesn't get any easier than that. Even with guns

You're speaking of civil war my friend. You're not just talking about taking away a weapon, but a right backed up by the constitution. No one is going to simply give up without first fighting for a right that was given to them.

Guns are rather small easy to handle and have only one purpose, to harm another being....

Just because idiots don't want to give up one of their retarded rights doesn't mean that a gun ban wouldn't do good.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No one says zero, it is LESS....yes, less gun related crimes...you don't really want to deny that, do you?

Krunk did say 0, I quoted him saying it. Now can you prove his comment to be true?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I can't work out if you're being facetious or you actually think you are making pertinent points. Either way, I'll indulge the latter as I feel this best represents your true-self...

If you use a car as it is intended, it is unlikely someone will be hurt or killed by it.

If you use a gun as it is intended, it is likely someone will be hurt or killed by it.

Cars = a mode of transport.
Guns = a tool to kill or maim people with.

Do you see the difference?

(I believe you can, but then I am an optimist...)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Guns are rather small easy to handle and have only one purpose, to harm another being....

Guns have more means than harming a another being... beings such as killing deer, squirels... hogs... you know... hunting. Another means would be protection from phsyco paths

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just because idiots don't want to give up one of their retarded rights doesn't mean that a gun ban wouldn't do good.

I suppose you're all for banning religions then aren't you.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

Gun Crime in Great Britain

The official figures for gun crime in England and Wales in 2002/03 were announced in January 2004. There were a total of 24,070 firearm offences of which 57% (13,822) involved air weapons, the highest number of offences ever. The largest increase in offences was seen with imitation firearms for which there was an annual increase of 46% to 1815 offences.

Hmm, even though there's a ban on guns in England, it looks like people are still shooting each other. zOMG!11! What the hell do you think will happen in the U.S.??

Some Statistics from the USA

In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Between 1993-1999, gun deaths in the United States have declined 27%. (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, WISQARS, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Of all suicides, 57% occurred by firearm (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS), National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports for the United States: Crime in the United States 2000: Uniform Crime Reports. Washington, D.C: U.S. Department of Justice; 2001.)

Almost 60% of gun deaths are people killing THEMSELVES. zOMG Ban guns then people can't kill themselves!!11!!

And heres some more stats. I can find these all day. http://www.gunsandcrime.org/stats.html

Good lord, that's pretty retarded if you think that helps you, Arachnoid. What the figures clearly show is how MASSIVELY in excess of the gun death rate in the UK. And that's just deaths- you don;t want to think about the gun CRIME rate.

I note, btw, that you didn't post about how many people were killed in the UK by guns that year. No wonder- the scale of the difference would frighten the hell out of any reasonable person

You need to stop with this red herring about gun bans making no difference because gun crime is done by illegal guns. IF it were that simple, you wouldn;t have your enormous gun crime problem- the proportion would be the same. As it is, your gun laws and your gun mentality ARE causing a staggering problem. Repeat- staggering. Repeat- a black mark on your country that makes others question how civilised you are.

Repeat- the only major difference in circumstance between the countries? Your gun laws.

Hold your fingers in your ears and close your eyes to the truth all you like. But your laws are contributing towards a sweeping wave of death.

Let's get some more facts down here to illustrate all this:

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A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

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In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

373 people in Germany
151 people in Canada
57 people in Australia
19 people in Japan
54 people in England and Wales, and
11,789 people in the United States

That's not suicides, before you try and say anything. Murders. Each of these countries has illegal guns, gangland and ethnic tensions. The ONLY difference between them is the US attitude to guns, and that is the only factor that explains the enormous disparity.

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Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.

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How can you run away and hide from the obvious implications of all this?

Well, no one said people in the US were responsible or intelligent, but that doesn't change that fact that we want our guns...........lol

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Let's get some more facts down here to illustrate all this:

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A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

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In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

373 people in Germany
151 people in Canada
57 people in Australia
19 people in Japan
54 people in England and Wales, and
11,789 people in the United States

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Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.

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How can you run away and hide from the obvious implications of all this?

Try adding those who weren't killed by guns in there. I'm anxious to see how drastically the numbers will change.

How incredibly irrelevant can THAT request be? Honestly, what kind of silly comment is that? It won't change the open and obvious facts of that is posted above.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
How incredibly irrelevant can THAT request be? Honestly, what kind of silly comment is that? It won't change the open and obvious facts of that is posted above.

The fact of what? That guns kill people? Why can't a club or a kitchen knife do the same? Oh, yea, that's right, someone has to be holding the club or the kitchen knife to kill anyone. And why compare only those countries? The United States by itself is twice the size of most of those countries you listed, and much more populated.

That's true the US is HUGE!!! We could fit all of Europe and other little countries in here...and no one lives in Canada............And Australia likes knives better anyway..........Didn't you watch Crocodile Dundee?

I'm sorry, but if our US Government does agree with the UN and tries to disarm us, there will probably be another civil war. A lot of people would not give up their guns without a fight. That's just how we are. Our Government tried banning alcohol for awhile but a lot of good that did them.

A lot of the gun problems in the US come from anti-gun states. Or gun states that have tough laws on gun possession and ownership. States like California and New York seem to have a sh!tload of crime. Sure you can blame the enormous populations of these cities, but criminals still easily get guns there. And they don't hesitate to use them. If criminals there knew that their potential victims were armed, it'll make them think twice before actually committing a crime. In those states, the criminal usually has the upper hand. An armed citizen is a criminal's worst nightmare.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Sounds good to me. We should then set about inducing a mass cull of all idiots. I hear you're near the front. Good stuff.

But if you WANT to put the figures in wider context:

Here are some indicators of homicide rates per 100000 people:

England and Wales: 1.61
Germany: 1.17
France: 1.79
Canada: 1.76
Australia: 1.81

US: 5.64

You are some three times more likely to be murdered in the US than in any other Western country. Why? Because of the US's enormous gun murder rate which does not exist elsewhere!