Originally posted by illadelph12
Regular clapping doesn't."Thunderclapping" does. It's a sonic attack.
High frequency sound is sonics. Like Banshee and/or Siryn's sonic screams.
This event shows that Juggernaut is vulnerable to sonics, so the magnitude of 50 or more Colossi thunderclapping simultaneously is going to effect him, he's been proven to be prone to sensory overload, and sonics generated to that degee will effect him.
If not, add more Colossi and repeat. 50 should be enough. 1000 would definitely put him down with a simultaneous sonic attack.
Thunderclapping works more like an explosion.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Pretty much.Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not canon continuity.
It makes perfect sense that a person prone to telepathy would be prone to sensory overload. What do you think a psi bolt does?
I never said it's not a canon, I only said it's bad writing like when his eye was cut.
I would've explaybed you in details how sound vibrations effect inner ear but I'm affraid my knowledge of english is limited to the level where I can discuss only simple things.
Now amount of Colossus can beat Juggernaut. Here is why. He is completely immune to all physical attacks. He has never been hurt except for high end magic and telepathy.
Thor has never hurt a full powered Cain. He once negated part of Cain's enchantment with the magic powers of his hammer then hurt a depowered Juggs but as soon as he gained his power back Thor was unable to do anything to him.
War Hulk managed to do anything to Cain because he was amped by Celestial Tech and that energy like high end magic was able to effect him and even still he was never hurt just got tossed around a bit.
As for all the colossus throwing Cain into orbit there is a big problem to this. Maybe a million could but only a few would be able to fight Cain at a time the others would be behind the others because only so much mass can occupy a spot at once.
Forgot to add something else.
Nimrod used a focused sonic attack to directly attack Cain's nervous system while a thunder clap would not be the same. About that it was even stated that if Cain had his shield up the attack may not of even worked.
Adding another thing to the Nimrod attack it could be placed as one of those things that should not be plausable if we are taking Cain with his high end feats. For instance he has been removed of all flesh and organs before. He was able to move without muscles and his nervous system telling his body what to do so if we take that into account then an attack on his nervous system really should have no effect on Cain.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, Nimrod proved that sonics worked on Juggernaut, so if you gathered enough Collosi and had them all sonic clap simultaneously, it might put Juggs down.It's not the direct approach, but it's been shown to work.
Nimrod used a specific frequency, I don't see all of them copying that.
Originally posted by superman41082
Very good point.Or, 1 million colossi could pick Juggernaut up and throw him into the sun. I'm sure that will harm him. Or, 1 million Colossi could rip the suit to shreds and wait for him to lose his powers. Guys..... Juggernaut is not unbeatable. You're all out of your minds......
As if that many could get their hands on him at once. And the suit's mystically indestructable, but he doesn't really need it cause his skin's just as durable, just a way to keep him from running around naked. And no one said Juggernaut wasn't unbeatable, just not by purely physical means. You should really read up more on Juggernaut.
Originally posted by superman41082
Doesn't he lose the effect after oh so many days????And the sun has to hurt him. Really. It's the sun dude.........
No, He'd only be pissed cause he was stuck in the middle of the sun.
Originally posted by superman41082
So how have characters like Thor beaten him on numerous occasions? You make him sound like a useless character. He can be hurt dude........... I've seen it...........
There only been three occasions where they fought. First time, Juggernaut had the advantage until Thor teleported him. Second time, Thor temporarily cut him off from some of his power and had the advantage, until that wore off and Thor teleported him again, and we already know about the third time. Now, are you trying to compare Colossus to Thor?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Who said Juggernauts brain was vulnerable to physical attack? Just to let you guys know, Marvel stated that if Juggernaut would have has his helmet on the attack wouldn't have worked.Oh yea, and Juggernauts ears are a part of his physical body, thus they shouldn't be vulnerable to anything.
But they are. It's called sensory overload. He is obviously not invulnerable to ALL physical harm because these kinds of things hurt him. He can get hurt. You were wrong, get over it.
I'm sorry, but 👇
I posted the scan.
Juggernaut was wearing his skull cap when Nimrod attacked him. That Skull cap has the same psionic dampening properties as his helmet and he was still effected by the sonics.
All of your explanations do not add up, I'm sorry.
Please review the scan again.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=2278295
^ Wearing skull cap.
Per canon, Juggernaut is vulnerable to psionic assault, be it by telepathic manipulation or a psi bolt (sensory overload), as well as high frequency sonics, another cause of sensory overload.
His brain is vulnerable.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't know if it's sensory overload. You can use sonics to make people sick, dizzy, or to blur their vision at certain frequencies. None of it really involves damage, it's just your body isn't used to the effect on the inner ear or its eyeballs vibrating.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't sensory overload simply one of your 5 senses being overly stimulated to the point of malfunction? Like an epileptic having a seizure due to being exposed to to much visual stimuli.
Don't ultrasonics have the same effect, but over stimulate via the ear rather than the eye?
Hey Illadelpth, I agree with everything you've said. As much as a lot of people would like to believe it, the Juggernaut ISN'T completely unstoppable. He still has weaknesses. Nimrod has been shown to stop him, and as mentioned, this was canon.
Nimrod is the ideal character to detect a weakness in someone like the Juggernaut, it's what he does. And it makes perfect sense that the Juggernaut is susceptible to sonics, he's never shown to be protected from certain high frequencies in the past, so why is this so hard to believe?
He's invulnerable to conventional harm (punches, concussive force, impacts, etc.), not sensory stimuli. He isn't invulnerable to psi bolts or sonics, illusions, etc, which are sensory driven attacks. The precedent has been set, in canon occurrences, that Juggernaut's brain is vulnerable. You can't punch or shoot him, but you can attack his nervous system directly with the proper implements. If you can effect his senses, you can "harm" him. It's been conclusively proven.