Originally posted by Soujaboy
Because he has to be damaged in order for the sonics to work on him, and according to the las 40 years of Marvel bio's and comics he's completely impervious to ALL forms of physical harm. According to Marvel, the only weakness Juggernaut has is TK.
You mean "TP", telepathy, not "TK", telekinesis.
Telepathy is a sensory driven power.
"Extra Sensory".
Originally posted by illadelph12
He's invulnerable to conventional harm (punches, concussive force, impacts, etc.), not sensory stimuli. He isn't invulnerable to psi bolts or sonics, illusions, etc, which are sensory driven attacks. The precedent has been set, in [b]canon occurrences, that Juggernaut's brain is vulnerable. You can't punch or shoot him, but you can attack his nervous system directly with the proper implements. If you can effect his senses, you can "harm" him. It's been conclusively proven. [/B]
I don't know why it is so important for you if it canon or not because bad writing take place even in canon stories. And this is obviously badwriting.
I've never paid any interest in Juggy before, mostly just seeing him as big guy with funny hat, but this whole concept of unstoppable/invulnerable intrigues me.
If he's invulnerable to physical harm then sonics shouldn't affect him, seeings as sound is basically shock waves and travel from atom to atom. Adapting the frequency you can shatter glass and affect your environment in a physical way. There is no magic behind it.
From what I can understand it's stated that Juggy's brain is vulnerable, but not the brain itself. If his brain in itself would be vulnerable you should be able to take him down with say a fencing sword if you managed to hit his ear canal. Rather nasty, but down he goes. But if he's invulnerable to physical arm he might just sense a slightly tickling. "Juggy sense, tingling".
But if the brain is susceptible to outer influence, can he be hypnotized? I can't see him being able to fend himself of that, unless he starts wearing some kind of anti shades.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Because he has to be damaged in order for the sonics to work on him, and according to the las 40 years of Marvel bio's and comics he's completely impervious to ALL forms of physical harm. According to Marvel, the only weakness Juggernaut has is TK.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't sensory overload simply one of your 5 senses being overly stimulated to the point of malfunction? Like an epileptic having a seizure due to being exposed to to much visual stimuli.Don't ultrasonics have the same effect, but over stimulate via the ear rather than the eye?
That's kind of strange because I can't concentrate with other things going on around me but I also get so locked into things that people will talk to me and I won't hear them.
So lets say we take Juggernauts brain out. Then we have Thor smash his hammer against it as hard as he can. would the brain be destroyed? no, because his whole body is impervious to all forms of damage except high end magic, and tp to the brain.
"He doesn't have to be damaged. The beam could of changed the pressure in his inner ear and he wouldn't even be able to walk much less put up any kind of fight. It's actually pretty ingenius."
This isn't true. Remember his fight his with D'Spyre when his whole body was magically burnt, until he was reduced to nothing but a skeleton. Even without his organs, including his brain he was able to walk and talk. Given this info he doesn't even need his body and organs, so in actuality he really shouldn't have fallen to Nimrod's attack.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
"He doesn't have to be damaged. The beam could of changed the pressure in his inner ear and he wouldn't even be able to walk much less put up any kind of fight. It's actually pretty ingenius."This isn't true. Remember his fight his with D'Spyre when his whole body was magically burnt, until he was reduced to nothing but a skeleton. Even without his organs, including his brain he was able to walk and talk. Given this info he doesn't even need his body and organs, so in actuality he really shouldn't have fallen to Nimrod's attack.
Originally posted by long pig
Colossus slapping his hands together trying to make a Nimrod style attack is akin to me seeing a laser burn metal and then trying to burn a hole through solid steel with a low powered flashlight.It won't work.
Plus, they'd need to remove his helmet AFTER getting past his impenetrable force field.
So Juggernaut can't hear with his helmet on?
I find it funny how a skeleton talking without vocal chords is a plausible occurance, but sensory overload of a character vulnerable to sensory attacks (TP) is not.
Regardless, there's no flaw in the logical argument I'm presenting. It's part of the Juggernaut character's premise that he has sensory vulnerability. He'd be invulnerable to the concussive effects of the sonics, not the sensory effects.
Originally posted by Soujaboy.
So lets say we take Juggernauts brain out. Then we have Thor smash his hammer against it as hard as he can. would the brain be destroyed? no, because his whole body is impervious to all forms of damage except high end magic, and tp to the brain."He doesn't have to be damaged. The beam could of changed the pressure in his inner ear and he wouldn't even be able to walk much less put up any kind of fight. It's actually pretty ingenius."
This isn't true. Remember his fight his with D'Spyre when his whole body was magically burnt, until he was reduced to nothing but a skeleton. Even without his organs, including his brain he was able to walk and talk. Given this info he doesn't even need his body and organs, so in actuality he really shouldn't have fallen to Nimrod's attack.
It was sensory stimuli, not a conventional physical assault. Completely different properties.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I find it funny how a skeleton talking [b]without vocal chords is a plausible occurance, but sensory overload of a character vulnerable to sensory attacks (TP) is not.Regardless, there's no flaw in the logical argument I'm presenting. It's part of the Juggernaut character's premise that he has sensory vulnerability. He'd be invulnerable to the concussive effects of the sonics, not the sensory effects. [/B]
Why are you getting so into the logical side of his power? If logic was to be into comics like your trying to use there would be no comics in the first place.
The sensory attack was meant to cause pain on Juggernauts system, Juggernaut is immune to all forms of attack except tp. That "all" includes sensory attacks.
2-3 to put him down...Each from the current. Even one Colossus was able to put him off balance. But Juggernaut is physically unbeatable as in Classic form, unstoppable...Yeah I say 2-3 can put him down....Not to knockout, just Juggy couldn't really beat or do real demage to them...I'm saying this as a huge Juggernaut and Colossus fan 😄
Originally posted by long pig
Colossus slapping his hands together trying to make a Nimrod style attack is akin to me seeing a laser burn metal and then trying to burn a hole through solid steel with a low powered flashlight.It won't work.
Plus, they'd need to remove his helmet AFTER getting past his impenetrable force field.
You're over simplifying and completely missing my point.
Juggernaut has been conclusively proven to be vulnerable to sensory stimuli, be it telepathy or high frequency sonics. I'm not saying Colossus could create the same frequency Nimrod did, I'm saying he could create a sonic stimuli of a significant magnitude to which it would effect Juggs. 1000 Colossi Thunderclapping simultaneously is a lot of sensory input. It's a plausible outcome if you can be objective.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
This isn't true. Remember his fight his with D'Spyre when his whole body was magically burnt, until he was reduced to nothing but a skeleton. Even without his organs, including his brain he was able to walk and talk. Given this info he doesn't even need his body and organs, so in actuality he really shouldn't have fallen to Nimrod's attack.
hmm, i went back and checked out that juggy one-shot with d'spayre. i still am not totally sure, but i wonder if he was able to keep going even as a skeleton because of spite? he is surrounded by a pink glow, the same power glow that surrounds spite. the glow around him is the same colour as her power throughout the book as well. juggs also says that the only thing keeping him going was HATE! hate and spite are of course, pretty much the same things, and juggs seemed pretty sure that spite was about to kill him at the end. it's just such a bizarre showing that it seems it needs some sort of explanation, and it makes perfect sense that spite would keep juggs alive so she could draw off more power from d'spayre. look at the last panel in the first scan, (the glow that surrounds all of them) then in the second, see the colour of spite's power? conincedence? personally, i don't think so . . .
worse thinking about at least. 😬
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why are you getting so into the logical side of his power? If logic was to be into comics like your trying to use there would be no comics in the first place.The sensory attack was meant to cause pain on Juggernauts system, Juggernaut is immune to all forms of attack except tp. That "all" includes sensory attacks.
I'm posing logical retorts to illogical rebuttals.
Telepathy is a sensory attack. It stands to reason that if he's been shown vulnerable to telepathy and sonics he's vulnerable to sensory stimuli.
Originally posted by illadelph12
You're over simplifying and completely missing my point.Juggernaut has been conclusively proven to be vulnerable to sensory stimuli, be it telepathy or high frequency sonics. I'm not saying Colossus could create the same frequency Nimrod did, I'm saying he could create a sonic stimuli of a significant magnitude to which it would effect Juggs. 1000 Colossi Thunderclapping simultaneously is a lot of sensory input. It's a plausible outcome if you can be objective.
Isn't there a difference between TP, and high sensory sonics?
Don't Sensory Sonics cause pain to the ear Drums?
Isn't TP used, to get inside the brain?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Isn't there a difference between TP, and high sensory sonics?Don't Sensory Sonics cause pain to the ear Drums?
Isn't TP used, to get inside the brain?
All sensory input is processed by the brain.
Sight, smell, touch, taste, hearing.
All processed by the brain.
Something can stink so bad you get overwhelmed and pass out.
