Solid Snake VS Nightwing

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean other than logic?

Flawed logic maybe...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh yeah peak humans are faster than superhumans wait when'd he get superhuman status? -_-;;

You say he was peak-human then enhanced (now try to stay with me it might get tricky here), if you are at the top of human capabilities (peak human remember) and enhanced to more that mean you are more then human and as such superhuman.

Originally posted by Creshosk
because obviously the companies have different definitions of the word "peak"... 😕

Care to prove that?

I think Konami proved that when they showed what Gray Fox was capable of in his fight with Rex... oh right he was holding back 🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
Like doding a bullet after it was fired and intercepting a bullet fired at Spiderman?

Oh wait you said Spiderman had... oops my bad. those were DD feats of speed.

And those are superior then all feats of Spider-Man...? No.

Originally posted by Creshosk
In your opinion. 🙂

When did nightwing parry machine gune fire with a sword?

But you can't be sure, because we never saw what happened.

I thought we were talking about dodging...

Originally posted by Creshosk
So hes as fast as a speeding bullet? When did he dodge a bullet after it was fired?

He saved Catwoman from a bullet like that, for example:
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year2001fasterthenbatman8wj.gif

Originally posted by Creshosk
And fox was standing in place dodging the bullets, nto running or falling, hwll fox even blocked a bunch of bullets with a sword.

What sad is **** still not proven if the MGS feats are indeed the most they could do.

Nightwing has dodged bullets from closer range and while carrying Robin:
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year1997dodgesbullets2ue.gif

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Flawed logic maybe...

so does peak mean squigglebottom? Is that good logic?

Or enhanced means "DC RULEZ, KONAMI DROOLZ"?

That's good logic? 😑

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You say he was peak-human then enhanced (now try to stay with me it might get tricky here), if you are at the top of human capabilities (peak human remember) and enhanced to more that mean you are more then human and as such superhuman.

So I guess he is superhuman...

The company says he is, why is he not? becaause he hasn't shown it?

So that extra power doesn't exist until its needed?

Cause I mean if its not needed why use the extra power?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Konami proved that when they showed what Gray Fox was capable of in his fight with Rex...

Pssh, until he hits a ceiling why would that be the top?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
oh right he was holding back 🙄

He didn't fail, did he? So how do we know if he beats that easily that that's ALL he can do?

Yeah that's good logic. Something you do easily and are not beaten means you can't do anymore. Cause it makes DC look bad/ 😖hifty:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And those are superior then all feats of Spider-Man...? No.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I thought we were talking about dodging...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He saved Catwoman from a bullet like that, for example:
http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year2001fasterthenbatman8wj.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Nightwing has dodged bullets from closer range and while carrying Robin:
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year1997dodgesbullets2ue.gif

So you have to move at the speed of a bullet to dodge a bullet?

So then I must move faster than bullets... cause I can hit people who dodge bullets in video games...

Sweet I'm faster than a speeding bullet. 😄

Or you know not cause they were just dodging my aim, and eventually I was able to get them... since you know dodgeing bullets is not about moving at the speed of a bullet.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Except that Spider-Man has dodging feats superior to Daredevil. Fox doesn't have superior to Nightwing.

He has, he dodges machinegun fire while standing at the same place and he moves as fast as bullets he dodged NW could not do that so he has.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But you can't be sure, because we never saw what happened.[/B]

No other logical explonation comes in mind. Only two thing could happen.1) he dodged and fired back 2) he was very lucky and all bullets they fired weren't hitting the target by accident. I assume second is more convincing when you talk about Snake or Big Boss. Remember "there is no such thing as luck in the battlefield" Boss words.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Nightwing dodges the bullets itself, not just the gun. Snake was simply running in circles faster then Vulcan could move his gun.[/B]

So you thing Snake runs faster than Raven moves his hands? Raven is very strong so moving hands fast with a big gun is not a problem to him. Snake dodges those bullets the same way NW dioes. By using his speed and reflexes.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So it showed him jumping away after the explosion?

And what did he do in the fight with the Rex?[/B]

No, but it showes that he is in the helicopter before the explosion. So he jumped after the explosion. Rex was blown by stinger and fell, besides Rex's head was open and Snake was fireing stinger directly at Liquid, it was the only way to win after Fox destroyed Rex's navigation.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But he was still hesitating to hurt her. [/B]

No he wasn't, he even tried for a couple of times before that scene. So Boss ran at him and unarmed him before he managed to simply pull the trigger. And I want once again to remind you that BB is as good at shooting as Ocelot and that means a lot. You still asume that she is just a highly trained soldier?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
How do you know that? [/B]

Because unless Deathstroke is an idiot, NW never showed that he is able to run 10 feet directly at pointed at him gun of the highly trained soldier and unarm him before he simply pulled the triger.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If we consider all their showings, Batman has better ones. And when he fought against Bane, he was weakened anyway, so that doesn't count.
[/B]

I don't remember any better ones, but again no PIS.
He was weakend? Why? I can't remember that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They are SWAT teams, they are not amateurs. And if he would just fall in one direction, he could not dodge them. He uses his acrobatics to dodge all those bullets.[/B]

No actually he uses stairs to slow his fall because if he didn't he would've crushed at the end of the way.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Again, what has Snake done that is even comparable to that? Because that isn't even the best Nightwing feat... [/B]

Then show me please his best feat because this one is really not impressive.

Rex lopped of his arm with it's laser, I imagine that he would be going all out to avoid that... or he is a moron who never deserved the code name Fox.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Rex lopped of his arm with it's laser, I imagine that he would be going all out to avoid that... or he is a moron who never deserved the code name Fox.

Here I assumed you knew anything about japanese culture... But I guess you just used the "S-Rank" from some video game and actually don't know jack about it.

Man, if you had known about it you'd know that was a suicide speach he gave to Snake before attacking the Rex.

Though I would like to know how he was supposed to dodge while upside down in the air, with the planing to die thing...

Can you tell me? No, you're just another baka gaijin poser. Feh, and here I thought you knew... I'm such a moron for assuming that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm such an idiot. God you know truly...

Here I assumed you knew anything about japanese culture... But I guess you just used the "S-Rank" from some video game and actually don't know jack about it.

Man, if you had known about it you'd know that was a suicide speach he gave to Snake before attacking the Rex.

Though I would like to know how he was supposed to dodge while upside down in the air, with the planing to die thing...

Can you tell me? No, you're just another baka gaijin poser. Feh, and here I thought you knew... I'm such a moron for assuming that.

Frank was planning on taking down the Rex at all costs and he knew it would most likely cost him his life. Why would he use anything less the best of his abilities in his final moments?

Not sure why me not believing Frank was holding somehow equates to me not understanding the japanese culture.

Because he wanted snake to tell his sister the truth about their past. He was unable to tell her himself because of fear of what it would do to her. He also said he had no reason to live.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Because he wanted snake to tell his sister the truth about their past. He was unable to tell her himself because of fear of what it would do to her. He also said he had no reason to live.

All of which I know...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Frank was planning on taking down the Rex at all costs and he knew it would most likely cost him his life. Why would he use anything less the best of his abilities in his final moments?

Not sure why me not believing Frank was holding somehow equates to me not understanding the japanese culture.

You used the westernized fox symbology on a japanese video game.
And two you missed the speach before entoning how he had nothing to live for and was planing on dying.

So you fouhnd a cool looking jounin to match your S rank name twhich was cool and all from some video game where you're ranked and S turns out to be higher than A... but you put on an appearence of knoweldge. Which I assumed to be true, and then you go and show you don't know with that stupid statement.

Best of his abilities... yeah right that explains the not getting underneath it to attack thing doesn't it? rath than going far away and jumping into the corner... how was that supposed to help?

Pheh, he was planing on getting killed. He wanted to die.

And calling him by his first name doesn't entone extra knowledge of the situation. it entones a desperate plea to gain some credibility...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Two things

You used the westernized fox symbology on a japanese video game.
And two you missed the speach before entoning how he had nothing to live for and was planing on dying.

So you fouhnd a cool looking jounin to match your S rank name twhich was cool and all from some video game where you're ranked and S turns out to be higher than A... but you put on an appearence of knoweldge. Which I assumed to be true, and then you go and show you don't know with that stupid statement.

Best of his abilities... yeah right that explains the not getting underneath it to attack thing doesn't it? rath than going far away and jumping into the corner... how was that supposed to help?

Pheh, he was planing on getting killed. He wanted to die.

And calling him by his first name doesn't entone extra knowledge of the situation. it entones a desperate plea to gain some credibility...

Lone warrior with a death wish is a pretty common archetype. How many samurai stories have envovled a skilled swordsman looking for someone match their skills and end their lives? Countless and in every case they give it their all in every fight. If it was simply about dieing they could easily end their own lives. I always saw Gray Fox as falling into that archetype. It seems out of character from him to hold back in his final moments... but maybe he is just a pussy who suffers from clinical depression and I was wrong all along.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Lone warrior with a death wish is a pretty common archetype. How many samurai stories have envovled a skilled swordsman looking for someone match their skills and end their lives? Countless and in every case they give it their all in every fight. If it was simply about dieing they could easily end their own lives. I always saw Gray Fox as falling into that archetype. It seems out of character from him to hold back in his final moments... but maybe he is just a pussy who suffers from clinical depression and I was wrong all along.

snake can kick nightwing's @$$ in unarmed.