Solid Snake VS Nightwing

Originally posted by Creshosk
I challenge ANYBODY to tell me how that statement isn't biased to all hell.

Can anyone tell me why MGS peak humans are less than Marvel or DC peak humans?

Anyone? Can anyone tell me how that's not biased honestly?

Going out on a limb here but maybe, just maybe it might have something to do with the fact that DC/Marvel Peak humans have feats far superior to MGS peakhumans?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Going out on a limb here but maybe, just maybe it might have something to do with the fact that DC/Marvel Peak humans have feats far superior to MGS peakhumans?

So beacusse we haven't seen the number 2,000,000 in mgs where as we have in M/DC obviously the lesser 2 is indeed less in mgs than it is in M/DC?

Yeah, so since Nightwing can dodge bullets, and the flash can dodge bullets. Obviously Nightwing is as fast as the flash, especillly since peak human and super human would just be meaningless labels. 🙂

2 is 2 and peak means peak. regardless of your prejudiced, biased borderline biggotry. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, so since Nightwing can dodge bullets, and the flash can dodge bullets. Obviously Nightwing is as fast as the flash, especillly since peak human and super human would just be meaningless labels. 🙂

Except that Flash has other dodging feats that put him way above Nightwing. Fox doesn't have any. 😬

Originally posted by Creshosk
So beacusse we haven't seen the number 2,000,000 in mgs where as we have in M/DC obviously the lesser 2 is indeed less in mgs than it is in M/DC?

Yeah, so since Nightwing can dodge bullets, and the flash can dodge bullets. Obviously Nightwing is as fast as the flash, especillly since peak human and super human would just be meaningless labels. 🙂

2 is 2 and peak means peak. regardless of your prejudiced, biased borderline biggotry. 🙂

So... once again we are back to the fact that there is nothing to sugest that Frank is faster then Nightwing.

They both have the same feats on the exact same scale. So what is there to make us believe that Frank is faster? Oh yeah! That label of enhanced peakhuman (that you habhazardly tossed on him with no evidance to back you up I might add). And once again the only way that could be a valid arguement is if we assume that DC peak humans = MGS peak humans and I just don't see how we can do that when the feats sugest other wise.

Do you have a fever or something Cresh because you are usually a better debater then this.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Except that Flash has other dodging feats that put him way above Nightwing. Fox doesn't have any. 😬

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hey if you can't be "assed" to read it then don't be "assed" to respond.

Yes because obviously when I say someone is an enhanced human or peak human or enhanced peak human. I'm obviously talking about how cool they are. and not talking about the powers, abilities or skills at all.

but you know had you read what I typed rather than just saying I said nothing... you might have had a valid point... but you know strawman arguments of making a straw man as an opponent and having him say the things you either wanted me to say, or think that I was saying... in this case I imagine it was something like

"OMG GEY FX IZ T3H KOL!"

Is really rather invalid considering I never said anything about which I thought was "OMG t3h KOL".

Cause personally, I think that Night wing's character design is much cooler. But you know, this ain't a coolness contest, so sorry DC doesn't auto-win like you implied. 🙂

and even simpler minded people like yourself see it in 2d and wet themselves. 🙂

and again. Had you read my argument and been educated on what I said. you'd know that this argument is invalid. but like some fanboy n00b you didn't even bother to read what your opponent wrote. I'm disappointed in you Srank. Disappointed in deed. 🙁

Yes. How foolish of me not to weigh coolness in and think 2 means 2 in any universe. How foolish of me to use logic. Foolish indeed. 🙁

Prove it. 🙂

yup

Prove it. 🙂

Yup. Works within single universes, and even cross universes... but IO guess MGS just isn't cool enough to be compared to the Marvel/DC cool power houses. 🙁

Yes, damn me for thinking that word mean something... but then I guess if I just brushed arguments off saying there was nothing there, I could be as cool as you.

Yeah invalid. and since you just brushed off the counter argument, it's not hard to see why you thought that it was valid.

and you need something much more than

"Marvel/DC are automatically better than MGS"

I'm not the one that's arguing from Coolness. cause I didn't say that one companies peak humans were better than another.. without explanation... So before you lecture me on arguing styles. I suggest you look to yourself and fix your own flawed fanboyish arguing.

And next time? Try actually reading whats written. IT works wonders for your credibility. 🙂

If you believe there are any points of merit in this garbled fan-boy rabble that need to be counter let me know.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... once again we are back to the fact that there is nothing to sugest that Frank is faster then Nightwing.

because oh that's right the owner calling them that is a meaningless label.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They both have the same feats on the exact same scale.

since Flash's "Superhuman" speed, Spiderman's "enahanced human" speed and nightwings "peak human" speed would all be reduced to
Flash's speed, Spiderman's speedand nightwings speed.

since Peah human, enhanced human, and super human are all meaningless labels. Damn.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So what is there to make us believe that Frank is faster? Oh yeah! That label of enhanced peakhuman (that you habhazardly tossed on him with no evidance to back you up I might add).

And molecules and viruses didn't exist until they were discovered?

and the earth was flat too until it was discovered to be round?

Yeah...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And once again the only way that could be a valid arguement is if we assume that DC peak humans = MGS peak humans and I just don't see how we can do that when the feats sugest other wise.

Do you have a fever or something Cresh because you are usually a better debater then this. [/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Sam Z
Deardevil possibly could too, but comparing their speed is still not right.

It is when they have comparable feats...

Originally posted by Sam Z
I never said he droped the gun, that's not his style. But I highly doubt he shot ALL of them before they opned fire.

I don't think it either...but we don't know how many he did shot before opening fire.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually whenever he dodges bullets in cutsences it's usually just dodging without running like in fight with Olga for example.

But when he has done the same with machine gun fire?

Originally posted by Sam Z
I'm not talking about surviving the fall but taking explosion without getting KOed. And you said deathstroke is stronger than 100 men, well it is also true about Fox. I doubt that even 100 men could support Rex's pressure.

So you believe that Liquid didn't jump from the copter before the explosion? How did his parachute survive it, then?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Even Big Boss hardly could be called a NORMAL human.
You thing that is what just higly trained soldier could do?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4qgdXLf6p1I&search=The%20Boss

Ocelot killed 5 soldiers with the gun within the second. Solid Snake is as good as Ocelot when it comes to shooting. Big Boss was a Snake's prototype. Now think how much time it would take Big Boss to pull the trigger. She've been standing like 10 feet away from him, ran directly at him and unarmed him before he fired and look at his face, he knew she was going to attack. And this is what highly trained soldier could do? I'm sure NW would be able to run DIRECTLY at pointed at him gun and unarm enemy but not when his enemy is someone like Big Boss who is as good at shooting as Ocelot.

We all know that Big Boss was hesitating to kill Boss. Thats emphasized during the entire game...

And seeing as Deathstroke couldn't really hit Nightwing while he was saving someone with his back turned, I doubt that he would have any trouble dodging anything while going directly at his opponent...
http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year2003dodgesbulletsfromdeath.gif

Originally posted by Sam Z
Bringing PIS isn't really the best idea coz it would only disrespect Batman. If not PIS all his techique seems not at all more EFFECTIVE than CQC.

You have hard time proving that...I have seen them use CQC against...umm, dozen people in total? While Batman has beaten more impressive and skilled enemies with his style.

Originally posted by Sam Z
No wonder he had more, how many years DC has been publishing his books? And as for more impressive during the two games Snake went through situations that could be compared to the most impressive NW's issues. I'm not talking about PIS though.

Name some that can be comparable to most impressive Nightwing situations...because I really can't remember any...for example, lets take this feat:
http://img473.imageshack.us/my.php?image=year1999dodgesbulletsfromentir.gif

When Snake did something comparable?

Originally posted by Ritoshi
What has spidey dodged that Nighwting didn't 😱

Multiple computer targeted laser blasts are just one example...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you believe there are any points of merit in this garbled fan-boy rabble that need to be counter let me know.

You know fanboy, reading peoples arguments isn't such a bad idea... but I guess since you CAN'T counter anything its only natural for you to ignore it.

But obviously like your sig says you're not the fanboy here doesn't it?

Yeah you're spouting the DC sig, and you're saying that "DC peak human's are better than MGS peak humans"

but obviously I'm the fanboy cause you can't read people's arguments. Such a shame. you truly are pathetic. and here I thought you were good. but turns out you're just another oafish moron who can't hold his own in a debate.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Except that Flash has other dodging feats that put him way above Nightwing. Fox doesn't have any. 😬

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Multiple computer targeted laser blasts are just one example...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It is when they have comparable feats...

Superhuman and peak human are meaningless labels.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So when this company calls someone a superhuman, they aren't superhuman uintil we have a feat of them doing something superhuman, despite the owner of the intilectual property calling them that.

because oh that's right the owner calling them that is a meaningless label.

and since they have nothing higher we have to assume that labels are meaningless so peak human, anhanced human superhuman, all meaning less and flash and spiderman and Nightwing all have the same speed.

since Flash's "Superhuman" speed, Spiderman's "enahanced human" speed and nightwings "peak human" speed would all be reduced to
Flash's speed, Spiderman's speedand nightwings speed.

since Peah human, enhanced human, and super human are all meaningless labels. Damn.

Yes you mean that Konami tossed on him? Damn it all I guess until there's a need to really show their power, they don't have that power.

And molecules and viruses didn't exist until they were discovered?

and the earth was flat too until it was discovered to be round?

Yeah...

because they haven't needed to they obviously cant do it?

Yeah let's just assume that DC and MArvel are better because they're cooler.

Once again you have'nt proven anything but your own bais.

Tell me until the power is needed it doesn't exist? So characters that hold back aren't really holding back? they just can't do that until its actually needed?

Right...

Do you have a fever or something Cresh because you are usually a better debater then this.

Labels like superhuman/enhancedhuman/peakhuman are just labels. They are helpful to a certain degree but they are just guidelines. This is the same as the typical arguement that Spider-man fans use. " Character X, could never hit Spider-man because Spider-man has superhuman speed while Character X is only peak human." The arguement holds no weight, what does hold weight are the abilities and feats the character has under their belt and when they are onpar with characters with superhuman speed how can it even be argued?

You aren't even basing your arguement on what Gray Fox has done but what you imagine he could do... and the idea you have is far above what he has shown capable of. What kind of arguement is that.

I mean come on what does flash have that Nightwing doesn't?

All flash or quicksilver would have as a power is "speed" but are you saying that Night wing doesn't have "speed"?

Cause you know Peakhuman and superhuman are just meaningless labels.

Seriously is that the best argument there is?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I'm the fan boy for saying that MGS peak human are equal to MArvel/DC peak human?

You know fanboy, reading peoples arguments isn't such a bad idea... but I guess since you CAN'T counter anything its only natural for you to ignore it.

But obviously like your sig says you're not the fanboy here doesn't it?

Yeah you're spouting the DC sig, and you're saying that "DC peak human's are better than MGS peak humans"

but obviously I'm the fanboy cause you can't read people's arguments. Such a shame. you truly are pathetic. and here I thought you were good. but turns out you're just another oafish moron who can't hold his own in a debate.

The sig was an assigment for school where we had to put our self in a painting and I choose a Alex Ross painting... not sure how that makes me a fanboy. I would have used the F4 wedding but my friend did first. I only pick up two maybe three DC titles a month and yes one of them is Nightwing.

Also I read you're arguement and I have chewed it to wholes more then once. What more do you want?

Originally posted by Creshosk
I mean come on what does flash have that Nightwing doesn't?

All flash or quicksilver would have as a power is "speed" but are you saying that Night wing doesn't have "speed"?

Cause you know Peakhuman and superhuman are just meaningless labels.

Seriously is that the best argument there is?

They both have speed, but Flash's is greater...because he has proved it through feats. Gray Fox hasn't proved that he can dodge anything Nightwing couldn't...

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Nighwting could of dodfged it. Spiderman had spidersense to early warn him. Nightwing is spideys dpeed though if he had no spidey sense right ?

I don't think Nightwing could have dodge them, I haven't seen him dodge more then few lasers at the same time. There were dozens on the Spider-Man feat...

Originally posted by Creshosk
I mean come on what does flash have that Nightwing doesn't?

All flash or quicksilver would have as a power is "speed" but are you saying that Night wing doesn't have "speed"?

Cause you know Peakhuman and superhuman are just meaningless labels.

Seriously is that the best argument there is?

Flash has speeds that prove he is faster, Gray Fox doesn't.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don't think Nightwing could have dodge them, I haven't seen him dodge more then few lasers at the same time. There were dozens on the Spider-Man feat...