Sephiroth vs. Ganondorf

See, there your logic fails you. I said that he could still do it up their, I know he didn't want to cause that was his last weapon, but he could. Same with the "blow the building" shit. Your last point was, "if he could, he would". But apparently it breaks there...

And I never compared it to Seprioths power. But a near dead/fanting Ganondorf could crush a tower when he actually is lying near unconscious on the floor, what could he do with his full power? Pretty much... Also, Seprioth could not nuke the world in one second, also, I doubt it would kill Ganondorf...

Yeah we saw that when he battled Link. Just look at him with all this power. How many times now has Link beat the living hell out of Ganondorf/Ganon now?

Many times, why? Because Link is everything Ganondorf is not, and has everything Ganondorf cannot stand. Ganondorf also highly underestimates Link, and each time he is trapped he seems to grow weaker and weaker. In the beginning he could break loose, then he needed help from others and in the end he was even killed by lesser means than in Ocarina Of Time...

So let me get this straight. Ganondorf/Ganon gets his @$$ handed to him over and over and over again and always underestimates his opponent? Man, sounds like Ganondorf/Ganon is a complete and total dumb @$$.

Ganondorf underestimated him the first time, and that led to his defeat. After he broke loose in WW and took the land, he defeat Link UNARMED, but since the King wished that Link and Zelda would have a future while Ganondorf would drown here in Hyrule, there was nothing he could have done, HE COULD NOT WIN!
He still broke the wishes of the gods and with the help of the sorserer he became free again, but this time, probably not as strong as before AND could only be Ganon. He was defeated. He broke loose once more, but this time he was weaker than ever and died by lesser means than before. So Ganondorf is hardly an idiot, actually, his plot to take over Hryule in OOT was quite impressive...

Yeah that explains why he used all these powerful attacks you spoke of in any battle. Let's see he fired an energy ball and played catch back and forth. He also (as Ganon) spun his staff around and teleported around. Not to mention he threw it every now and then. Dang Ganondorf/Ganon sounds so powerful. He brought down Ganon's Tower in OoT and that was the biggest thing he's done.

Yeah and that was while he was dying... As I said, he underestimated Link and did not use his power to the fullest extent, he could have flown out from the tower then crushed it and Link would have died, but he didn't. Does that mean he can't? Of course not....

You are ignoring that Seprioth cannot possibly kill him. I even said that Seprioth's power is most likley above Ganondorf's, but he still can't kill him.

Gotta go to sleep now...

Sephiroth's power is far greater then Ganondorf's. Supernova for example is a powerful summon that deals great damage and causes a ton of stat effects like toad, blind, sleep, and mute. Sin Harvest for examples opens the gateway between life and death using a halo to cast the opponent in a in. death in which there is no defense against. You have not proven why Sin Harvest wouldn't work against Ganondorf.

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
You have not proven why Sin Harvest wouldn't work against Ganondorf.

Why would it?

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Sephiroth's power is far greater then Ganondorf's. Supernova for example is a powerful summon that deals great damage and causes a ton of stat effects like toad, blind, sleep, and mute. Sin Harvest for examples opens the gateway between life and death using a halo to cast the opponent in a in. death in which there is no defense against. You have not proven why Sin Harvest wouldn't work against Ganondorf.

Your way of seeing this is a little wrong. We saw Ganondorf getting hit by Link, seeing him be engulfed by a sea of fire, and having the whole roof collapse on him, not a scratch. So this does not give him a single scratch or wound, now why would a bigger version of it give him a wound, why would something that causes even more of the same wound him?

Those powers wears off after a short while, it's not even clear if they will work against him when he uses his own powers. For all we know, the moment the fight begins Ganondorf can trap Seprioth inside one of those crystals, then crush him...
Where does it specifically say "no defence for". And that doesn't matter, Ganondorf cannot be killed by anything but the master sword, he might be wounded by other lights, but cannot be killed....

And as bean_machine said, why would it work?

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Yeah that explains why he used all these powerful attacks you spoke of in any battle. Let's see he fired an energy ball and played catch back and forth. He also (as Ganon) spun his staff around and teleported around. Not to mention he threw it every now and then. Dang Ganondorf/Ganon sounds so powerful. He brought down Ganon's Tower in OoT and that was the biggest thing he's done.

Actually, what you're saying only supports Kamikz's theory that Ganondorf grows weaker between each game. It shows that by Link to the Past, Ganon's powers have deteriorated so much that he can only use very basic powers. The most we saw him do in LttP was make mini fireballs, teleport around, throw his staff, and become invisible. Not as impressive as Ocarina of Time, huh?

The biggest thing we seen Ganondorf do is bring down Ganon's Tower. Yet it took time for the tower to fully collpase. Everything else in OoT we see him do is throw energy balls and create a shockwave.

And if Ganondorf could use that Crystal at will then why come he didn't use it against Link when he had Zelda? You have no proof that it would effect Sephiroth who is far more powerful then Link.

And no one has answered why Sin Harvest wouldn't effect Ganondorf. It seems everyone is avoiding that because they know the Instant Kill move would end Ganondorf.

The only thing ever proven in any Zelda game to actually kill Ganondorf, not weaken him or imprison him, is the master sword. That is the rule. If you bring both into a neutral playing field, why would this attribute of Ganondorf just go away? He is not killable by anything other than the master sword. Yes in the game other weapons can be used, but its not part of the plot or the cut scenes now is it?

Prove to me that it can cause it is Ganondorfs attribute that he can only be killed by the master sword.

Even then he is just tuned to stone, so it is speculation that he is dead and not just imprisoned. For all we know he might just be covered by a layer of stone instead of being turned to stone.

Originally posted by bean_machine
The only thing ever proven in any Zelda game to actually kill Ganondorf, not weaken him or imprison him, is the master sword. That is the rule. If you bring both into a neutral playing field, why would this attribute of Ganondorf just go away? He is not killable by anything other than the master sword. Yes in the game other weapons can be used, but its not part of the plot or the cut scenes now is it?

Prove to me that it can cause it is Ganondorfs attribute that he can only be killed by the master sword.

Even then he is just tuned to stone, so it is speculation that he is dead and not just imprisoned. For all we know he might just be covered by a layer of stone instead of being turned to stone.

Link used the White Sword in the first Zelda game and killed him with a Silver Arrow. Why wouldn't Sin Harvest work? It effects the spirit not the body.

It has been explained on a site that the white sword is the master sword, but the name was forgotten through time and was called the white sword because it shined with light. Same deal with silver arrows....

And you forget the part where Link weakens him in OOT and captures him, then in WW he's back, where he gets killed by the master sword. It get's stuck in his head and he is bueried under the surface. Ganondorf died there, left only Ganon now. This Ganon was again even more weakened and captured. In the first Zelda game (which is the second last in the timeline) Ganon is killed. That was a weaker Ganon, and only Ganon, not Ganondorf/Ganon.....

You fail to explain why it would actually work on him. You seem to think that because it is causing more damage it will work. Like if you shoot a bullet on someone and it doesn't even give them a wound, then the golden gun in the James Bond series will work because it can instantly kill the victim. The thing is that it is the same kind of damage but on a more devestating degree. I don't see why it would work....

And Ganondorf isn't exactly gonna wait and see what happens, he can...

Dodge.
Shield himself with his robe.
Use his own power against it.

Hmm, I've never seen Cloud collapse a building with his mind alone, he still defeated Seprioth....

Sin Harvest isn't even canon.

It isn't. HAHA! OMG, I love this moment so much I could have sex with it.... 😛

mmm... sex.... mmm no sin harvet, life is good... wait a second did i say sex?

Sin Harvest is cannon. Square Enix (who made Sephiroth and Final Fantasy 7) gave it to him in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. It is basically the Fallen Angel move Kefka used.

And show me the link that says the White Sword is the Master Sword because there is nothing that shows those two swords are one in the same.

Kingdom Hearts is not canon and that makes Sin Harvest not canon.