Originally posted by ares834
Wish I killed Samara. Unfortently, I did her loyalty mission to early and didn't have high enough intimidation.Full Paragon is not as fun IMO. Plus Renegade interupts are always intresting.
Also has anyone chosen Udina for the council?
Udina is useless on the council. I hated him immensely. He also doesn't give you any slack even though he owes his position to you.
Originally posted by Lucius
She's easily worse than her deranged daughter. Morinth just kills individuals here and there, Samara will butcher innocent people without hesitation due to some Kantain strawman code. I found killing Samara to be a far more ethical choice. Plus I'm sure I can always kill Morinth later.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Udina is useless on the council. I hated him immensely. He also doesn't give you any slack even though he owes his position to you.
Ah, that's what I figured. The dude is an ass and I love having Anderson punch him in the first game.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Udina is useless on the council. I hated him immensely. He also doesn't give you any slack even though he owes his position to you.
I didn't like either choice. Udina is a useless prick and Anderson wouldn't know where the find the nearest lobbiest if he tried to give him a blow job.
Originally posted by Lucius
She's easily worse than her deranged daughter. Morinth just kills individuals here and there, Samara will butcher innocent people without hesitation due to some Kantain strawman code. I found killing Samara to be a far more ethical choice. Plus I'm sure I can always kill Morinth later.
I have to disagree here. While Samara had a black and white world view, she was not above reconsidering her actions and she was not overtly evil. Morinth, on the other hand, was all about killing. Remember what she did to her last victim. And what she can do to you if you try to bed her.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I have to disagree here. While Samara had a black and white world view, she was not above reconsidering her actions and she was not overtly evil. Morinth, on the other hand, was all about killing. Remember what she did to her last victim. And what she can do to you if you try to bed her.
Samara would have killed that officer for no other reason than her code told her to. Quite frankly she's evil and needs to be purged. Morinth is a killer, but her kill rate can't be nearly as high as Samara's. Morinth plays with her victims over weeks/months. The net gain in lives saved is higher. Plus I fully planning on disposing of Morinth if Bioware lets you.
Plus she told my Shepard she was going to have to kill him, which basically pinched the deal anyways.
Originally posted by Lucius
Samara would have killed that officer for no other reason than her code told her to. Quite frankly she's evil and needs to be purged.
You're confusing consequence with intent though. Samara doesn't act with the intent to murder or deprive folks of life; she acts with the intent to do what needs to be done according to her code and to rid the world of Mortinth. Intent is crucial here, because that's what separates Samara from common killers.
Morinth is a killer, but her kill rate can't be nearly as high as Samara's. Morinth plays with her victims over weeks/months. The net gain in lives saved is higher.
That's irrelevant though. Morinth is sick. Using the last victim as an example, she led the girl on and then feasted on her, leaving her mother confused, in ruin. Her other victims were likewise stalked and exploited before being murdered. The problem is this: Samara doesn't spread suffering intentionally. She only kills when required to do so. Morinth kills because she enjoys it. And she's not just some two-bit serial killer; she can live for centuries, and she's killed dozens, mostly artists and those who appreciate the arts.
The fact that she has no remorse or empathy further cements her position as blatantly evil. Samara has remorse, even if her code compels her to do otherwise.
[quote[ Plus I fully planning on disposing of Morinth if Bioware lets you.
Plus she told my Shepard she was going to have to kill him, which basically pinched the deal anyways. [/QUOTE]
Still not good enough, IMO. Samara is no more evil than a code-bound knight or samurai. Actions may be arguably unethical out of context, but within the confines of her code and behavior, she's much more of a paladin than anyone else in the crew. Morinth, on the other hand, is the most demonic member you can have.
Originally posted by Lucius
Samara would have killed that officer for no other reason than her code told her to. Quite frankly she's evil and needs to be purged. Morinth is a killer, but her kill rate can't be nearly as high as Samara's. Morinth plays with her victims over weeks/months. The net gain in lives saved is higher. Plus I fully planning on disposing of Morinth if Bioware lets you.Plus she told my Shepard she was going to have to kill him, which basically pinched the deal anyways.
What does Samara do thats so evil? Morinth is an utter lunatic. I can't believe you see her as the better choice.
"Evil" and "Good" really are irrelevant, imo, as they're just subjective words.
If your intent is to "save as many lives as you can", then it doesn't matter why Samara runs around killing innocent people who stand in her way, if her kill count of innocents is higher than Morinth's, she's the bigger threat. Wither she has the higher count due to some warped idea of justice or not is inconsequential.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
World-exploring needs to return for the last game.
You actually liked that?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Evil" and "Good" really are irrelevant, imo, as they're just subjective words.
At least, that is what you believe. Afterall, many people would disagree with you.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You're confusing consequence with intent though. Samara doesn't act with the intent to murder or deprive folks of life; she acts with the intent to do what needs to be done according to her code and to rid the world of Mortinth. Intent is crucial here, because that's what separates Samara from common killers.
Intent? Worthless. Consequence pays no heed to intent, only to cause. Samara has put her code above all else and that code causes her to kill innocent people for no other reason that the code itself. The only count I think of in her favor is that Justicars stay within Asari territory and Asari wouldn't get in a Justicar's way. Illum demonstrated how badly that would break if a Justicar was ever called to leave Asari territory.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
That's irrelevant though. Morinth is sick. Using the last victim as an example, she led the girl on and then feasted on her, leaving her mother confused, in ruin. Her other victims were likewise stalked and exploited before being murdered. The problem is this: Samara doesn't spread suffering intentionally. She only kills when required to do so. Morinth kills because she enjoys it. And she's not just some two-bit serial killer; she can live for centuries, and she's killed dozens, mostly artists and those who appreciate the arts.
I don't care if Morinth is sick. Samara will kill anyone that gets her in way because her code tells her to. She didn't have to kill that officer, but her code told her she had to. She's a badass boitic with commando level martial prowess. Disabling the officer and leaving should have been easy, but instead, due to her fvcked up code, she was ready to kill the woman.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The fact that she has no remorse or empathy further cements her position as blatantly evil. Samara has remorse, even if her code compels her to do otherwise.
Remorse? Worthless. Samara may feel bad about the shit she does in the name of her code, but she still does it and would do it without hesitation. Consequence doesn't care if you feel bad. Intent and remorse have no influence on consequence, only cause.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Still not good enough, IMO. Samara is no more evil than a code-bound knight or samurai. Actions may be arguably unethical out of context, but within the confines of her code and behavior, she's much more of a paladin than anyone else in the crew. Morinth, on the other hand, is the most demonic member you can have.
You are confusing sentiment with ethics. I don't care that Morinth is a sick ***** that murders people. Because of how long it takes for her kill people and because her victims are specialized, her kill rate is naturally going to be low. Samara will kill someone on a dime if some obscure rule is broken.
By killing Samara, I rid the galaxy of a rule bound fanatic. Once Morinth has serves her purpose in the suicide mission, than she can be disposed of as well. (assuming ME3 lets you, but in this context I'm speaking as if I really was Shepard with the same options a real person has)
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
"Evil" and "Good" really are irrelevant, imo, as they're just subjective words.If your intent is to "save as many lives as you can", then it doesn't matter why Samara runs around killing innocent people who stand in her way, if her kill count of innocents is higher than Morinth's, she's the bigger threat. Wither she has the higher count due to some warped idea of justice or not is inconsequential.
But Samara is old and will die soon. Killing her won't bring thse innocents back to life. Morinth will live for hundreds more years and kill as she pleases. She's the much bigger risk.
ares834
You actually liked that?
Why wouldn't I? It's much more exciting than surveying random planets like one must do in Mass Effect 2. As I mentioned in my discussion with Janus, it added a truly epic element to the game that is missing from most others. I genuinely felt like one was traveling around the galaxy.
Neph
I doubt it will. Shepard doesn't have time to troll around the galaxy when the Reapers are in his base, killing his dudez.
Reapers strike me as uncommonly polite. I'd wager they'd give Shepard all the time he needs to explore the various worlds on his many star treks. stoned
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Why wouldn't I? It's much more exciting than surveying random planets like one must do in Mass Effect 2. As I mentioned in my discussion with Janus, it added a truly epic element to the game that is missing from most others. I genuinely felt like one was traveling around the galaxy. [/B]
I found it incredibly boring. The worlds were mostly barren and I hated driving the Mako. Yes, it was more fun than scanning planets but at least that was quick.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Reapers strike me as uncommonly polite. I'd wager they'd give Shepard all the time he needs to explore the various worlds on his many star treks. stoned
Oh, well then we clearly have nothing to be afraid of.
We can take our time.
ares834
I found it incredibly boring.
I suppose I can see why one might feel this way, but I definitely don't share the sentiment.
ares834
The worlds were mostly barren and I hated driving the Mako. Yes, it was more fun than scanning planets but at least that was quick.
The Mako was certainly ungainly and awkward to control when I first played the game. But so were DS and Neph and, well, they turned out all right!
.....Right?
Originally posted by Lucius
You are confusing sentiment with ethics. I don't care that Morinth is a sick ***** that murders people. Because of how long it takes for her kill people and because her victims are specialized, her kill rate is naturally going to be low. Samara will kill someone on a dime if some obscure rule is broken.By killing Samara, I rid the galaxy of a rule bound fanatic. Once Morinth has serves her purpose in the suicide mission, than she can be disposed of as well. (assuming ME3 lets you, but in this context I'm speaking as if I really was Shepard with the same options a real person has)
What abut the time Morinth enslaved an entire villiage and made them sacrifice young asari to her?
And you can't do the same to Samara?
Originally posted by Lucius
See above. You kill her once done with her.
And you can't do the same to Samara because... ?