Originally posted by heitoi_which
That's because he's a b1tch and he knows it. Or in Tropespeak, Sidious is The Dreaded to Dooku and the source of his Nightmare Fuel. And boy did Stewart do a hell of a job conveying just why.Dooku's only brave enough, like Vader, to plot in absolute & utter secrecy. Bereft of assistance (Ventress, Opress, Marek, Luke), they're completely loyal.
It's been a while since I read it, but didn't Dooku imply that Sidious use to pwn him as easily as he did Ventress?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It's been a while since I read it,
You must correct this egregious error immediately.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
but didn't Dooku imply that Sidious use to pwn him as easily as he did Ventress?
It is implied that Dooku was tortured tremendously during his training, physically & psychologically.
Originally posted by heitoi_which
Both books get about an 8.5/10 from me, but I maintain both overindulged in melodrama, unnecessarily grandiose language, and philosophy than what was necessary.And the pacing: the best duel in the ROTS novel was Dooku vs. Obi-Wan & Anakin; all the others sucked the way they were written. Stover, who's usually gritty and brutally realistic in fight scenes, fumbled here. Contrast this with Luceno, who managed to write one of the most badass fights in the mythos with Plagueis and the Maladian assassins.
That would be the 7 decades or so of Jedi training, IMHO.
RotS is supposed to be the most important point in the mythos pretty much. Its ok for it to be melodramatic, because dramatic shit happens. Its all taste, but I like the grandoise language as well as the metaphorical way Stover portrayed the characters.
Nah, it was awesome throughout. You forgot the awesome Sidious vs Windu fight. Hell, even the lead in to that was smart, how its represented by Sidious' recording as he plays the victim. They should have had that in the movie imo.
Well thats one of the reasons I don't care about him much. Maul and Dooku are both throw-away villains in the movies, but at least Maul had a badass visual design.
Neph
RotS is supposed to be the most important point in the mythos pretty much. Its ok for it to be melodramatic, because dramatic shit happens. Its all taste, but I like the grandoise language as well as the metaphorical way Stover portrayed the characters.
Metaphor and poetry are great and are Stover staples. But I just feel that he tried to cram it into every orifice in sight. Luceno erred similarly with the Plagueis novel.
Neph
Nah, it was awesome throughout. You forgot the awesome Sidious vs Windu fight. Hell, even the lead in to that was smart, how its represented by Sidious' recording as he plays the victim. They should have had that in the movie imo.
The beginning of that fight was cool: the recording, killing the mooks, and ending with a menacing line: "If you only knew how long I've been waiting for this."
But the duel itself exploded with sheer, spectacular meh.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've never really brought Dooku as being a Sith. He has no hate and no rage. For a guy who follows the code of Passion, dude has very little.
Originally posted by heitoi_which
Metaphor and poetry are great and are Stover staples. But I just feel that he tried to cram it into every orifice in sight. Luceno erred similarly with the Plagueis novel.The beginning of that fight was cool: the recording, killing the mooks, and ending with a menacing line: "If you only knew how long I've been waiting for this."
But the duel itself exploded with sheer, spectacular meh.
Huh, really? I always got the impression that the Plagueis novel was very dry. Lots of facts and continuity nods, but not to much emotion on the page.
Bullocks. That fight was cool as hell, they shred everything in that room with the intensity of their battle. And I always liked that Stover focused more on the thoughts and feelings of the duelists than the actual specific attacks. I liked his broad, stylistic approach to fights very much.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Huh, really? I always got the impression that the Plagueis novel was very dry. Lots of facts and continuity nods, but not to much emotion on the page.
Pfft, I was wet from cover to cover. uhuh
In terms of genuine emotional appeal, there's not much. Both protagonists are largely unsympathetic, especially Sidious, who is a royal douche from beginning to end. (Literally.)
In terms of melodramatic thoughts and dialogue, the book teems with it. And it goes on extensive philosophical passages about Jedi, Sith, and the Force at large.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullocks. That fight was cool as hell, they shred everything in that room with the intensity of their battle. And I always liked that Stover focused more on the thoughts and feelings of the duelists than the actual specific attacks. I liked his broad, stylistic approach to fights very much.
I think you can have a proper blend of both. Stover typically does, but not here. Probably because he knew we'd see the physical element in the movie?
Originally posted by heitoi_which
Pfft, I was wet from cover to cover. uhuhIn terms of genuine emotional appeal, there's not much. Both protagonists are largely unsympathetic, especially Sidious, who is a royal douche from beginning to end. (Literally.)
In terms of melodramatic thoughts and dialogue, the book teems with it. And it goes on extensive philosophical passages about Jedi, Sith, and the Force at large.
I think you can have a proper blend of both. Stover typically does, but not here. Probably because he knew we'd see the physical element in the movie?
Hmm, interesting. So you think that it is close to RotS in terms of writing style do you? Hmmm, maybe I should get back into reading and stop pretending that I'm ever going to finish A Feast for Crows.
The protagonists of RotS are royal douches from beginning to end too. Didn't stop me from enjoying it.
That sounds really cool.
Or maybe he was trying to distract us from the physical elements in the movie. 😐
(the movie was bad)
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, Plikett's RotS review is terrible... 😉
Also, fvck the Synthesis ending.