One of you should be commended for his enduring civility, the other should look inward and rethink the past several pages of his life. I won't say who.you are all fuckers
but also, I like the named extra!blue and [bronze?] lightsaber crystals you can buy on Yavin 4 in KOTORI. But Nihilus has dat dere aesthetic, so there's that...
Zampanó
Time to throw down.
Zampando
Eminence, your taste is bad and you should feel bad. Those crystals are completely unfair because my stun-baton doesn't have a slot for crystal upgrades. This makes you officially a bigot.
And bitch, not until KOTORII would we again see such beautiful hues in a lightsaber. (or are you objecting to the aesthetic of Nihilus? that is the only alternative.)
Spoiler:
no... there is another.
KotOR 2 sucks because the orange crystal barely stands out from red.
Some moderately cool clone commando action in the third episode (cut with grating droid stuff, otherwise I'd link) and one sweet ass explosion in the fourth.
But yes. Hondo. Apparently the youngling arc takes place before the rest of this season, if you were wondering why Hondo's morals were so absurdly compromised early on (before he turns into such a sweetheart). Maul's growl
Spoiler:is even more swoon-worthy than his brother's (vs. Embo). And how about that darksaber, eh?
(vs. Vizsla, beginning of the duel)
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It was a really good remake of Star Trek. The character backgrounds, portrayals and interactions were all done fantastic.I just didn't like the whole changing history and alternate timeline crap. Either make it a Prequel, or make it a Reboot Imo. But he tried to mix and match those two things which I didn't like.
None of that time travel nonesense for the new Star Wars please.
- That's the whole point of Star Trek.
If you'd have watched the movies and original series, you would have known that it is rife with plot twists that induce alternate futures, etc.
The Abrams movie wasn't a remake. It was a prequel that utilized the common theme of there being multiple timelines in that universe, where different things could have occurred, and that was just one of them.
Classic Trek.
(And that's ironic, because I don't even consider myself a "Trekkie/Trekker" but I've been involved enough with others who have, to know my Trek-history. 😛
So of course Abrams wouldn't do the same with Star Wars - it's not Star Trek. Duh. 😎
Originally posted by Eminence
Valerian omg hi
Oh hai srry didn't see you there. It's good that you're back, see? You finally ended the debate (which was most definitely not my fault)
So, instead of playing KOTOR 1 I decided to play KOTOR 2... I had about 15 hours of gameplay and the ****ing Nar Shaddaa bug ruined my run. I've done every single ****ing quest, fought the Red Eclipse and the ****ing Quarren Exchange boss doesn't contact me.
So **** him. And you, Neph.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Um, in no way was it a prequel. It was a Alternate Universe ("reboot"😉 with a time-travel origin story ("point of departure"😉.
Originally posted by RookwoodThe Abrams movie wasn't a remake. It was a prequel that utilized the common theme of there being multiple timelines in that universe, where different things could have occurred, and that was just one of them.
Classic Trek.
^ This is exactly my point. What the heck was it Prequel or Remake?
It would have been much better if it was just One or the Other Imo.
But still aside from that it was a great movie. And now that all the time travelling, history changing, alternate universe crap is out of the way I'm looking forward to a great sequel.
Oh and Rockwood, time travel is classic Trek, except they've used it to death.
Originally posted by SebastianisI
hmm Think that exact same thing happened to me. It's not part of the main story though right, just a side mission? I think you have to speak to him before accepting one of the quests form the rival gang or something.
Rival gang? What are you talking about? And no, it's the main quest. I can't progress.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I skipped over the four episodes with the droids--did anything worthwhile happen in them?
The third episode was surprisingly good. Out of nowhere it becomes about a clone. It was the 100th episode so made sense seeing as the show is called Clone Wars.
The rest of the arc for me was "Whatever.. When's Darth Maul coming back?"
^ This is exactly my point. What the heck was it Prequel or Remake?It would have been much better if it was just One or the Other Imo.
None of this can be used as criticism of the new movie.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Goddammit Neph... you're spaghettifying this.
Finished it twice, once on each ending. Another time got about 3/4 through. And about another dozen times I got 1/2 way through.
She annoys the piss out of me. Good for the voice actor, but the character is annoying. So. Goddamn. Annoying. I don't mind her backstory, her goals, or motivations--they were kinda unique, nothing wrong with them. But the character's character... sucks. She's the mean, derisive b*tch who's clearly evil. She doesn't stray too far from that. And you know what? That'd be fine. I'm okay with that personality. In moderation. But she's always around. You could fill a book with the amount of dialogue she has, and the sheer volume of that personality grates on me.
The Hanharr/Mira cutaway doesn't bug me, as it concerns only their characters, and their characters don't mean much. You think they do, when Kreia blackmails him, but that subplot did nothing and went nowhere, so it was just a waste of time, really.
See above. And I wouldn't say it was ingenious, but it could have been kind of neat. But again, the characters themselves? Meh. I always forget to use or talk to them--they and their story never held much interest.
You're not following me.
Malak's scenes served only to further the plot. And there weren't many of them:
-Attack Taris, be evil.
-Keep attacking Taris, keep being evil.
-Re-introduce minor obstacle in Calo Nord, learn stuff off-camera.
-Introduce minor obstacle in Darth Bandon, still evil.
-Torture Bastila, relish in evil.
-Prepare Star Forge defenses, make sure everyone remembers you're evil. Laugh heartily.
Not much. And unlike KotOR II, the Main Character and Friends aren't in a position to do anything, one way or the other. We're already trying to stop Malak. We're told in the opening scrawl that he's evil. We already know Calo Nord is an enemy. Any idiot with the ability keep up already knows
Malak will try to convert Bastila. Beyond filling in some self-evident blanks in the plot and establish the villain, Malak's scenes didn't do much.
Many of the cutaways in the KotOR II explicitly show the player Kreia scheming and plotting behind the Exile's back. She and the others are constantly discussing your character and revealing damning/important traits/information about themselves. And the character you control is none the wiser, despite the player having heard every bit of it. Being unable to confront/react/do anything about this information is very frustrating. I would have appreciated Atton's confession as a former Sith assassin if I didn't already know he was keeping a huge secret and was outed as a murderer, [b]by Kreia, in a cutscene back on Telos. I would have liked to discover the reason behind Mandalore's dedication in due time, except I was already told he was bribed/threatened in to protective services, by Kreia, in a cutscene back on Dxun.
And they're right there! On the ship! I can stop that "witch" (Atton's word, even he knew) right then and there. I should. She's clearly up to something. She clearly has a plan. She's clearly suspicious, and untrustworthy, and evil. And an admitted Sith Lord. And I can walk up to her and everyone's she been manipulating and confront them about it.
But I can't. Because my character doesn't know, so the option isn't available. That or she's functionally brain dead.
F*cking irksome. [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
A pox on your tea-swilling island for splicing all these up. I added numbers. Alright:
[b]1.) I honestly don't know how you came to this conclusion. The entire story, from beginning to end, revolves around the Exile and her beautiful Wound. Nihilus wants to eat her, Scion wants to murder/rape her, and Kreia wants her to save the universe. The Jedi Masters view her as a terrible threat, Atris has an envy/hate girl-boner for her, all the PCs either want to f*ck her or use her for something, and the entire prologue revolves around her sale to a galactic crime lord. The game is more about her than the first was ever about Revan...
And he's right, the first game did stroke your ego. By making you the guy who single handedly won a war and caused another one. But you're not given the Divine Right of Awesomeness that the Exile is. In #1, the focus is actually more on acquiring Bastila. The Vulkars want to sell he of the hero's crew and no one, not even the main hero, doing shit all about it. And the voice acting is done well, but the voice actors themselves speak in voices that irk me. See last part of last post about atmosphere and etc.
Also Bao-Dur, whom even you apparently missed. Huh...
Exaggeration and all; see first post. But the rest definitely come closer than she does--she's the just the focus of my ire, being so important and all, yet so detestable in every way she shouldn't be.
Yeah, I know they have depth, but they don't portray depth. Their voices don't emit these things, and I'm convinced it's because the developers insisted upon a dark and dangerous feeling tone for the whole game, so the PCs were relegated as conduits for that one and only tone. For that, they lack convincing humanity. They don't feel real.
See above and yesterday's post. They feel like cursory concerns. Things that are brought up on a check list of issues. The characters don't feel like they care--and considering the amount of sub-plot and villains and resolutions that need to be addressed, I'm not surprised that the game lacks any genuine sense of urgency or angst. Everyone and everything at stake feels passive.
I was dead-set for the game, no doubt in part because of all the praise. I was extremely disappointed by it and couldn't even finish it on my first playthrough. It took two additional tries before I finally trudged through it. The second time was no less arduous.
I loved Peragus! Whenever I get the urge to try the game out again, that level is what I'm thinking of. The sense of mystery and foreboding was excellent. And it didn't carry over to the rest.
Outside of peragus, Korriban was my favorite part. It wasn't too long, had good tension, and was well executed. I just don't get what the ultimate point of it was. I don't recall it being mentioned again, or adding anything to anyone's character. Kinda like a Big Lipped Alligator Moment that was still fun to have around.
Sure was. And the NPCs helped make the stakes feel high.
Eeeh... it was alright. Felt like a bit of a letdown to the whole bounty setup at Peragus (a world exploded because of it). It was a great way to kickstart events--murder mystery, Telos in jeopardy, the Republic's stability at risk--a lot of shit started with that bounty. But it just kind of... fizzled. Nothing of consequence really came of it.
Here's where I think the plot got confused of itself. Nihilus was an imperceptible, eldritch entity that was built up as a force of pure dread and destruction. He should not have been the antepenultimate boss. All roads should have led to him on that haunted ship (and more character for the guy, and answers as well).
I always leave it last, and by then, I'm burnt out. I just wanted it to be over. And it was. In a very anti-climactic, why did this place matter (nothing seems to have changed) kind of way.
Lumping these two together.
I know what's stated to be important and relevant, but it doesn't feel it. I laud BioWare for their decision to stick with Star Wars' traditional singular theme of good vs. evil because it makes the plot less disjointed and more focused--stop Malak. The sequel has: heal yourself, get answers, get revenge(?), stop the bounty, rebuild the Order, save the Republic, save the Force, save Telos, stop Kreia. By trying to put in so many goals and threads for the main character they wound up sapping them all of urgency and focus. It really feels like you're just going along with the motions. There's just too much that needs to be resolved, and both the game and myself seem to lose interest in all of them eventually.
The first game's PCs are with Revan and his singular goal of stopping Malak. They feel invested. The second game's PCs feel blase and indifferent to most laundry list of issues and problems that need taking care of. I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but trying to make a game more cerebral does not guarantee that it's going to illicit passion and excitement, especially when many of its own characters feel to be lacking in such.
I'll be honest, I forgot about the bomb thing. Still a flimsy excuse considering how often he's away from the ship and engaged in combat. Shoot him then. Doesn't matter anyway. Like Mira and Hanharr, his ultimate purpose just seemed to be to create pointless drama with the drone. Like the whole bounty sub-plot (and most of the sub-plots) he just kind of fizzled out.
/fin
EDIT: Oh chocolate Jesus, look at all that. [/B]
Begin a daily regimen of KotoR II, taken preferably with tuna.
Rinse; repeat.
And cut down on the junk-food like The Clone Wars TV "Series".
Watching that show is bad for you, and will actually cause small legions in your brain to form; lowering your IQ, bit by bit.
It was designed for 5-year olds, Man.
If you can criticize an adult-epic like KotoR II, then TCW should be below your radar.
It's like not liking your Salisbury-steak because it's too rare - and opting for a McDouble Burger, instead.
And jizzing over said fast-food burger - when in reality, the steak, while very rare, is much higher quality, and had more work put into it. 😮💨
DARTH POWER
^ This is exactly my point. What the heck was it Prequel or Remake?
Yes, Star Trek features a younger incarnation of the classic crew, but in a set of climates, relationships, and adventures that are not meant to relate congruently to whatever those histories - the life events of Spock Prime, etc. at that age - may have been in the original series. If your confusion derives from the fact that they share a continuity, even then we're working with future!Spock Prime in this timeline (which itself only exists because of events that occur in the far future of the original).
So perish these thoughts. It was a good movie that brought in a new audience (me, us) and revitalized the franchise, and probably helped motivate the Powers That Be to kickstart Star Wars again.
DARTH POWER
The rest of the arc for me was "Whatever.. When's Darth Maul coming back?"
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ This is exactly my point. What the heck was it Prequel or Remake?It would have been much better if it was just One or the Other Imo.
Essentially, a prequel - not a reboot.
Which is the gist of what I got when watching it the first time, anyway.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But still aside from that it was a great movie. And now that all the time travelling, history changing, alternate universe crap is out of the way I'm looking forward to a great sequel.Oh and Rockwood, time travel is classic Trek, except they've used it to death.