Definition of irony:
I fully support Obama's stance on Syria. The Speaker of the house, as well as most Republicans, also support his stance, while other Republicans (hypocrites) picked a perfect time to contradict their consistent stance on foreign policy. And as usual, the Democrats have no idea what to do.
With this being said, I'm pretty ignorant of the international laws as far as imminent threats are concerned.
So I have this friend, and this friend of mine recently stumbled upon a quote while reading a certain book that indicates that one character could probably resist the mental domination of another character. It being a sore point of contention about whether anyone could resist that characters mental powers. In fact, the quote seems to indicate that quite a lot of people could likely resist that characters telepathy.
Would you guys say it would be... immoral, for my friend to not let other people know about this quote, for his own benefit?
The only immoral thing would be helping Tempest. His smug is contributing to a smug supercell moving in from the greater LA area, and we could have a the perfect storm of self-satisfaction on our hands.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155203/the-perfect-storm-of-self-satisfaction
overall sidious is much better. lemme get this long ass thing posted by some guy, so i dont have to type it all myself:
Sidious has done everything Vitiate has on a far greater scale. Vitiate is not more powerful than Sidious, not a chance.
Sidious is faster than Vitiate's eye. Of course he wins a saber duel, Vitiate could barely hold a saber properly as of the Revan novel.
If you knew anything about Palpatine, you would realize he is the most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist, no questions asked, with far greater feats than the Sith Emperor. Vitiate requires trinkets, relics and outside help to be powerful, yet still is no match for Palpatine.
I haven't seen Vitiate move at near-relativistic speeds that are too fast for someone (who dodges lightning and sees sub-light speed ships in slow motion) to even see.
I haven't seen Vitiate create Hyperspace Wormholes that rip through space-time continuum, teleport beings across the galaxy and annihilate entire fleets, as well as the surfaces of planets and moons.
I haven't seen Vitiate become powerful without relics and trinkets.
I haven't seen Vitiate drain an entire planet's populace of twenty billion (and other forms of life) slowly and steadily for years while travelling throughout the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate procure the most powerful Force Lightning that decimates multiple beings instantly.
I haven't seen Vitiate shown capability of even wielding a saber (he could barely even hold one), let alone be a master of all the seven lightsaber forms and all techniques and stances within said forms, and have mastery over all the said forms ambidextrously.
I haven't seen Vitiate telepathically incapacitate multiple Jedi Masters from across the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate mind-wiping twenty billion people effortlessly.
I haven't seen Vitiate be described as a Black Hole in the Force.
I haven't seen Vitiate establish and destroy telepathic links from across the galaxy, without having to formerly interact and establish a mental link with them at close proximity.
I haven't seen Vitiate sensing, manipulating and forseeing emotions across the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate foresee the past and future without the aid of the Dread Masters.
I haven't seen Vitiate be the culmination of nearly 1000 years' worth of training, experience, knowledge, wisdom and observation.
I haven't seen Vitiate picture events in exact detail across planetary, let alone galactic, distances.
I haven't seen Vitiate slay three council members in combat before the can react (one council member already began to withstand his lightning, plus another knight).
I haven't seen Vitiate use mind-wipes that are permanent and do not have beings that are "immune" to its effects.
I haven't seen Vitiate being capable of shrouding the Jedi's foresight and precognitive abilities with his mere presence.
I haven't seen Vitiate be a master of politics.
I haven't seen Vitiate light up a planet with Force Lightning.
I haven't seen Vitiate create a storm with his mere fury while keeping his fury private.
I haven't seen Vitiate manipulate his master's mind for years.
I haven't seen Vitiate be so strong in the Force, the Force literally hides itself inside him.
I haven't seen Vitiate being incapable of being scanned prior to having any formal training in the Force.
I haven't seen Vitiate kill beings so quickly they appeared to be disposed of by a phantom, while an apprentice.
I haven't seen Vitiate master every known Dark Side Force power (except for Midi-Chlorian manipulation, which he has not even heard of or seen in any way) and invent others at a whim.
And much more. I can name more than a dozen beings capable of besting Vitiate in a fight, but I cannot think of even half a dozen beings that can beat Sidious.
Consistency of canon has never changed, there are numerous sources that place Palpatine as the most powerful:
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--Taken from The New Essential Chronology
Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.
--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook
And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness. A black hole of the Force.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Plagueis made a soothing gesture and explained in great detail what had taken place. Concluding, he said, "He threatened, too, to place you out of reach."
All the while Plagueis spoke, Palpatine was storming through circles on the narrow path, shaking his head in anger and balling his fists. "He can't do this!" he snarled. He hasn't the right! I won't allow it!"
Palpatine's fury buffeted Plagueis. Blossoms growing along the sides of the pathway folded in on themselves, and their pollinators began to buzz in agitation. FourDee reacted, as well, wobbling on its feet, as if in the grip of a powerful electromagnet. Had this human truly been born of flesh-and-blood parents? Plagueis asked himself. When, in fact, he seemed sprung from nature itself. Was the Force so strong in him that it had concealed itself?
--Taken from Darth Plagueis
Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.
--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook
There is the most still nothing pointing otherwise. Lucas' word is final, you cannot argue against it. The argument ends right there.
Originally posted by Master Han
Will Nai and Advent ever return?
The fact that I'm only occasionally visiting this forum here, doesn't translate into "being gone".
I just don't have the motivation to get myself involved in long lasting debates here, at least not at the moment. Mostly, because I'm already doing a shitload of research and writing outside this forum, and hence need different activities as a counterbalance for my free time.
I'm still available via PM, if somebody feels the desperate urge to talk to me.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
overall sidious is much better. lemme get this long ass thing posted by some guy, so i dont have to type it all myself:Sidious has done everything Vitiate has on a far greater scale. Vitiate is not more powerful than Sidious, not a chance.
Sidious is faster than Vitiate's eye. Of course he wins a saber duel, Vitiate could barely hold a saber properly as of the Revan novel.
If you knew anything about Palpatine, you would realize he is the most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist, no questions asked, with far greater feats than the Sith Emperor. Vitiate requires trinkets, relics and outside help to be powerful, yet still is no match for Palpatine.
I haven't seen Vitiate move at near-relativistic speeds that are too fast for someone (who dodges lightning and sees sub-light speed ships in slow motion) to even see.
I haven't seen Vitiate create Hyperspace Wormholes that rip through space-time continuum, teleport beings across the galaxy and annihilate entire fleets, as well as the surfaces of planets and moons.
I haven't seen Vitiate become powerful without relics and trinkets.
I haven't seen Vitiate drain an entire planet's populace of twenty billion (and other forms of life) slowly and steadily for years while travelling throughout the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate procure the most powerful Force Lightning that decimates multiple beings instantly.
I haven't seen Vitiate shown capability of even wielding a saber (he could barely even hold one), let alone be a master of all the seven lightsaber forms and all techniques and stances within said forms, and have mastery over all the said forms ambidextrously.
I haven't seen Vitiate telepathically incapacitate multiple Jedi Masters from across the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate mind-wiping twenty billion people effortlessly.
I haven't seen Vitiate be described as a Black Hole in the Force.
I haven't seen Vitiate establish and destroy telepathic links from across the galaxy, without having to formerly interact and establish a mental link with them at close proximity.
I haven't seen Vitiate sensing, manipulating and forseeing emotions across the galaxy.
I haven't seen Vitiate foresee the past and future without the aid of the Dread Masters.
I haven't seen Vitiate be the culmination of nearly 1000 years' worth of training, experience, knowledge, wisdom and observation.
I haven't seen Vitiate picture events in exact detail across planetary, let alone galactic, distances.
I haven't seen Vitiate slay three council members in combat before the can react (one council member already began to withstand his lightning, plus another knight).
I haven't seen Vitiate use mind-wipes that are permanent and do not have beings that are "immune" to its effects.
I haven't seen Vitiate being capable of shrouding the Jedi's foresight and precognitive abilities with his mere presence.
I haven't seen Vitiate be a master of politics.
I haven't seen Vitiate light up a planet with Force Lightning.
I haven't seen Vitiate create a storm with his mere fury while keeping his fury private.
I haven't seen Vitiate manipulate his master's mind for years.
I haven't seen Vitiate be so strong in the Force, the Force literally hides itself inside him.
I haven't seen Vitiate being incapable of being scanned prior to having any formal training in the Force.
I haven't seen Vitiate kill beings so quickly they appeared to be disposed of by a phantom, while an apprentice.
I haven't seen Vitiate master every known Dark Side Force power (except for Midi-Chlorian manipulation, which he has not even heard of or seen in any way) and invent others at a whim.
And much more. I can name more than a dozen beings capable of besting Vitiate in a fight, but I cannot think of even half a dozen beings that can beat Sidious.
Consistency of canon has never changed, there are numerous sources that place Palpatine as the most powerful:
Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--Taken from The New Essential Chronology
Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.
--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook
And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness. A black hole of the Force.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Plagueis made a soothing gesture and explained in great detail what had taken place. Concluding, he said, "He threatened, too, to place you out of reach."
All the while Plagueis spoke, Palpatine was storming through circles on the narrow path, shaking his head in anger and balling his fists. "He can't do this!" he snarled. He hasn't the right! I won't allow it!"
Palpatine's fury buffeted Plagueis. Blossoms growing along the sides of the pathway folded in on themselves, and their pollinators began to buzz in agitation. FourDee reacted, as well, wobbling on its feet, as if in the grip of a powerful electromagnet. Had this human truly been born of flesh-and-blood parents? Plagueis asked himself. When, in fact, he seemed sprung from nature itself. Was the Force so strong in him that it had concealed itself?--Taken from Darth Plagueis
Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.
--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook
There is the most still nothing pointing otherwise. Lucas' word is final, you cannot argue against it. The argument ends right there.
Darth Sidious is the most powerful sith lord who ever lived. It's baffling how people deny such copious quantities of evidence to elevate their favorite videogame's rip off character.
Han, to post youtube videoes you need to only put the end of the url in the [ youtube] brackets. So instead of:
[youtube ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IpPPDYWexE[/ youtube]
its:
[youtube ]-IpPPDYWexE[/ youtube]
(without the spaces)
with the cutoff point being the = sign in every video. So you only use the unique code at the end lik so: