The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Really? I thought it was pretty disappointing aside from Loki.

The only thing I didn't care for was the stinger. Everything else was pretty awesome.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its Tom Hiddleston.

So true.

Boo ya 🙂

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

That movie was epic.

👆

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Man, Liara is my perfect woman. I would so nail her. Like a nail. Gun. With my penis.

I have a penis. 🙂

no you dont

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The only thing I didn't care for was the stinger. Everything else was pretty awesome.

There was no historical development of the Dark Elves, there was no character development of Malekith, everything that happens just seems so rushed. For that movie to have been successful, they needed to either split it into two parts, or add an extra hour. It wasn't nearly as good as the first Thor and it could have been. No, I didn't care for the stinger either because it ruined the "sacrifice" but at the same time, he is the best damn actor in that franchise by a mile and that includes Anthony Hopkins.

Originally posted by psmith81992
There was no historical development of the Dark Elves, there was no character development of Malekith, everything that happens just seems so rushed. For that movie to have been successful, they needed to either split it into two parts, or add an extra hour. It wasn't nearly as good as the first Thor and it could have been. No, I didn't care for the stinger either because it ruined the "sacrifice" but at the same time, he is the best damn actor in that franchise by a mile and that includes Anthony Hopkins.

1. More time would have been nice sure.

2. Why do we need enemy characterization for the dark elves? We see that they are primordial beings with blue and organe morality scales, seeking to plunge the galaxy into the darkness from which it came. Simple enough. Did you require a svartalalf primer?

3. Malekith was a pretty good villain in the sense that he was dangerous, he had control over the engagement nine times out of ten, and he nearly defeated everyone. His lieutenant and elite mook was arguably more dangerous, but overall I liked what I saw.

4. You're joking about Benicio or Hiddleston? The stinger is post_credits.

2. Why do we need enemy characterization for the dark elves? We see that they are primordial beings with blue and organe morality scales, seeking to plunge the galaxy into the darkness from which it came. Simple enough. Did you require a svartalalf primer?

No, but I require more of a backstory regarding their wars with the Asgardians. Anything better than "oh look they're alive again, oh look they're invading Asgard".

3. Malekith was a pretty good villain in the sense that he was dangerous, he had control over the engagement nine times out of ten, and he nearly defeated everyone. His lieutenant and elite mook was arguably more dangerous, but overall I liked what I saw.

He was a decent villain through no fault of his own. They really needed to develop him better.


4. You're joking about Benicio or Hiddleston? The stinger is post_credits.

Loki, I was not happy with that.
Spoiler:
I don't want Hiddleston's character to bow out but they committed to precisely that when they killed him initially.

In terms of Benicio, it was cool but not all that surprising.

I think, lacking any comic book knowledge, the stinger was lost on me. Though I do enjoy Benicio pretty much always.

For Malekith, I felt he lacked villain charisma. That might just be me, though.

Originally posted by psmith81992
No, but I require more of a backstory regarding their wars with the Asgardians. Anything better than "oh look they're alive again, oh look they're invading Asgard".

What part of "primordial darkness people who hate people of light" failed to satisfy you? Should they write a drama on why jotuns hate earthlings and Asgardians too?

Wait, you didn't care about that in the film. Why is this such a nitpick? Hell, the Chitauri got less characterization, practically being Space Fleas from Nowhere, and everyone creamed their panties over the Avengers.

He was a decent villain through no fault of his own. They really needed to develop him better.

Malekith is a figurehead of a people who are a combination of "The Horde" and a "Force of Nature". His motivations are clear, his lack of empathy apparent, and his methodology is pretty cut and dry.

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The fact that he has been in stasis for thousands of years and then undoes Asgard's defenses entirely in less than an hour's time says a lot about his power, intelligence, and willingness to get stuff done.

I thought he was fleshed out enough. His role against Thor isn't really personal; he hates all the children of "this world" and that's all we require.

Loki, I was not happy with that.
Spoiler:
I don't want Hiddleston's character to bow out but they committed to precisely that when they killed him initially.

In terms of Benicio, it was cool but not all that surprising.

Spoiler:
Tom already indicated he won't be in the next Thor film. So we won't likely know about what happened to Odin and why he's occupying the throne until Avengers 2. I like Loki a lot, but I don't have this hype that everyone else has, so I took his presence as a bonus, not a mandatory part of enjoyment. For me, they work great together, but you could do a movie without one or the other and it'd still be great.

I also thought the stinger looked really low-quality, like a costume party filmed on someone's handheld just to cram in a plot hook. It was the only part of the film I didn't like.

What part of "primordial darkness people who hate people of light" failed to satisfy you? Should they write a drama on why jotuns hate earthlings and Asgardians too?

Wait, you didn't care about that in the film. Why is this such a nitpick? Hell, the Chitauri got less characterization, practically being Space Fleas from Nowhere, and everyone creamed their panties over the Avengers.


Yes, the backstory to the dark elves failed to satisfy me. I didn't say I didn't care for the film, I just said it could have been much better and I had high expectations for it, therefore I was disappointed. And yes, the backstory (or lackthereof) for the Chitauri was also one of the Avengers' flaws but the movie was infinitely better than the Thor sequel.

Malekith is a figurehead of a people who are a combination of "The Horde" and a "Force of Nature". His motivations are clear, his lack of empathy apparent, and his methodology is pretty cut and dry.

But the way he was built up, which to say isn't a lot, makes him no more than a generic villain. They could have done so much more with him..

Spoiler:

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Tom already indicated he won't be in the next Thor film. So we won't likely know about what happened to Odin and why he's occupying the throne until Avengers 2. I like Loki a lot, but I don't have this hype that everyone else has, so I took his presence as a bonus, not a mandatory part of enjoyment. For me, they work great together, but you could do a movie without one or the other and it'd still be great.

I did not know this, that is a bummer. I disagree with you that you can make a good movie without Loki, especially because he's the main reason (in my opinion) these movies are watchable. I think it would bomb without him in it.

Does anyone know other forums that has SW versus battles?

Comicvine

What about TOR forums?

What do you call that thing where you wobbly your hand and go 'ehhhhh...' ?

That.

You're right though, its probably better than Comicvine, now that I think of it. I only don't post there because my account can't for some reason.

Make a new one.

The accounts tied into my SWTOR game account. I guess I could make a new one but I don't know if that would affect anything.

Its mostly just too much effort. If I could be bothered I'd just get someone to fix my account instead of make a new one.

Comicvine will keep me entertained while I watch football.