Originally posted by Nephthys
From what I've read, Islam is one of the least extreme and violent religions on paper. It's just the crazy followers who are to blame.
That's actually the opposite of reality..
The Christians have had their Crusade. The muslims are having theirs.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/01/israeli-teens-found-dead/
Originally posted by NephthysIt's funny because I've heard exactly the opposite.
From what I've read, Islam is one of the least extreme and violent religions on paper. It's just the crazy followers who are to blame.
I haven't actually read the Qur'an mind you, I'm far too lazy for that, but that's just what I've been told by people who make the mistake of assuming I care.
I imagine judging a religious text by today's standards is difficult since it was written at another time where common morals might be different.
From what I know, from a Muslim friend, Islam promotes peace in some cases, but is hypocritical in others by preaching about violence to infidels.
And let's not even get started on the death penalty for Apostasy. So.. Ugh.
Originally posted by truejedi
You can say that militant christians are the same, but just a moment of non-PC stark honesty with yourself: What militant christians, compared to the many many groups of militant extremists muslims right now? Sure, the crusades, but that was 500 years ago. the KKK, and Westboro are undoubtedly TERRIBLE organizations, those people shouldn't even be alive, BUT, they aren't MURDERING people like ISIS, or kidnapping hundreds of schoolgirls to rape like Boko harem (Sp i'm sure, I'm ranting.) or "Honor beheading" people who get married without their permission, or putting people on DEATH FREAKING ROW for marrying a Christian. It's pretty terrible stuff, and the stories come out EVERY SINGLE DAY, and yet we aren't able to say the problem is ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS
Oh. I see we have a clear case of "It's not on my news so it doesn't happen" here.
In the Central African Republic, the so called "Antibalaka" militias - Christian militants - are out to commiting massacres against Muslim citizens of the country, just as we talk here.
The Lord's Resitance Army in Uganda is another prime example of Christian fundamentalism being out of control, with the leader of that group proclaiming, he is a spokesperson of God himself. Doesn't stop him from ordering murders, rapes, selling children into sex-slavery or training them as soldiers for his army.
There are also various Christian fundamentalist terror-groups active in the North-East of India. Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people in his bombing / shooting in Norway in July 2011 is a Christian fundamentalist who tried to justify his actions through his religion. And even in the USA, you have various Christian fundamentalist groups that are clearly ready to utilize violence (e.g. against abortion, homosexual relationships etc.) when they see it fit.
It just doesn't appear on the news, because - concerning Africa - nobody cares and when stuff like that happens in "the Western world" people won't look to religious motives instantly, because we (should) live in "secular" countries. Yet, given the latest decission of the U.S. Supreme Court ("Hobby Lobby Case"😉, I would think that at least some among us can't really claim that last thing for themselves. 😉
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's almost like the problem lies in the humans themselves and not the ideas/concepts that delusional individuals corrupt.
Relatively speaking, you can attach human blame to just about any aspect of poor ideas/concepts and their execution, especially religion. Humans created it, practice it, and are the air to it's lungs.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It's funny because I've heard exactly the opposite.I haven't actually read the Qur'an mind you, I'm far too lazy for that, but that's just what I've been told by people who make the mistake of assuming I care.
I had a friend who converted to Islam and the dude would just talk my ****ing ear off over this. As far as I can recall the Qur'an only really preaches self-defense and specifically that Muslims should never start fights since Allah hates aggressors. It also promotes tolerance of non-muslims and aid for them if they need it. Really Islam has basically the same teachings that Christianity and Judaism have about being a generally nice person. 😖hrug:
Of course, I think it probably is just like the Bible where it depends on which passages you take seriously and what your interpretation of certain things is.
Originally posted by The RenegadeYup. If the thesis' origins is humanity itself, then humanity is the problem. Islam is a human invention and will genuinely help some of them and genuinely harm others. What determines what path it takes (if any at all) is the humans who encounter it, interpret it, and use it. Railing against the invention will get you no where when it's the people who wield it that are making the changes you despise.
Relatively speaking, you can attach human blame to just about any aspect of poor ideas/concepts and their execution, especially religion. Humans created it, practice it, and are the air to it's lungs.
In TJ's case, getting rid of fanatical Islam means getting rid of either Islam or fanaticism in general. That doing either requires a fanatical amount of murder and torture is contradictory. Magically kill every Islamist right now, and others will stop pop up tomorrow. The "problems" lie in the humans. Always has, always will. May as well just kill all of them (in the name of Allah).