The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Eminence3,287 pages

Surely.

Jesus camp. 😕

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Jesus is camp. 😕

Well he did sound a tad gay in that book.

Your collective mothers.

has anyone read the Empire and Rebellion comic series? imo theyre the most well written comics in the EU.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
has anyone read the Empire and Rebellion comic series? imo theyre the most well written comics in the EU.
I've read all the comics, they were well written indeed.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
has anyone read the Empire and Rebellion comic series? imo theyre the most well written comics in the EU.
Some of it yes.

so im pretty happy i just got tfu for my new psp

You could have got a real game like Star Ocean: Second Evolution, but no.....

Im ok with JRPG's neb but personally i prefer wrpgs.

Baldur's Gate 2(PC) takes a steamy one on Star Ocean any day of the week.

But, yeah, I agree with Ivalice.

Well I also have god of war: chains of olympus, socom navy seals fireteam bravo 2, Medal of Honor Heroes, star wars battlefront renegade squadron, and Echochrome (charming game that).

So i'd say i have a decent arsenal. any recommendations besides those submitted by noobaris?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
How about being able to choose your doctor?

In general, all people are free to choose their doctor, but the doctor is - technically - able to refute to take a patient, which pretty much never happens. What happens is, unless you're a private patient (=50,000 Euro+ a year), you could end up on a long waiting line. Just as an example: It's possible that you have to wait for one month to get an appointment at the eye doctor of your choice.

The exception to the "chose your doctor" rule happens, when you're brought into a hospital as an emergency case. There, of course, your doctor will be whoever is suited for your case. But, even then, private patients are usually attented by a head physician or the chief of medicine.

So, essentially, everyone is free to chose his doctor, with the "poor" people having to wait longer for an appointment. But this, and I'm not sure if that's the case in the US, is just the case, because every doctor is paid equally for a certain treatment. That means, for example: a good psychiatrist doesn't earn more money than a bad one - per patient. He will, probably, just have more of them, hence get more money. The same is - ironically - true for lawyers over here. And, even more fun, the latter don't even get contingency fees, if they win a case.

I think, now you know why I'm neither a lawyer nor a physician.


Where did you get this statistic from?

Here


You're talking about the various bubbles that were doomed to fail. I'm not really understanding what you're saying. Are you saying in our country the rich get richer while the poor get poorer? This is somewhat true but there's many reason for it.

Profits made by US companies abroad don't even factor into our GDP which is hilarious. This is the problem with the fiat money system. And what you're explaining is outsourcing which is by far one of the worst things America has done over the past half century. We go from being a manufacturing economy to a service economy. Everything we do now depends on other nations. Hence our shift from a manufacturing and saving nation, to a consuming and spending nation. It's ridiculous.

I'm not just talking about the bubbles but about a certain mentality that is present through-out the entire society. People just strife to get rich and famous - preferably both and, preferably, without real "work" involved in that process. Just have a look at the damn casting shows that spread like a viral infection through the daily TV programmes. Education? Studies? Learning a regular job? No way. "I want to become a superstar". Greetings from "American Idol".

This trend has also lead to an enviroment, in which work in general (and with "work" I mean "labor"😉 isn't respected any longer. 20 years in the past, workers - at least here in Germany - had strong bonds with the companies they worked for, expanding over a "normal" relationship between employer and employee. The workers identified themselves with the company they worked for, and had respect, because they had work. Today, you're only respected if you're either famous or, talking about everyday business, when you're rich. And thusly, people strife for becoming rich. Ironically, the bankers that were on the edge yesterday, are just demanding bonuses today. What was that in N.Y.C? One banker wanted more than 100 million $ as a bonus, despite the fact that he had bankrupted his own company. Congratulations. That's a sort of mentality that should be extinquished.


Good god that's terrible Nai. Taxes are a product of the fiat money system. They wouldn't be necessary in a gold standard. Taxes are also a result of demand boosting policies. I don't know why they exist and why governments and economics choose to concentrate on them, rather than supply boost policies(manufacturing).

Lmao. You really believe that? Taxes are a product of the fact, that a state (or the governmental body) needs to spend money for something. They were present long before the fiat money system. Do terms like "ecclesiastical tithe" or "socage" ring a bell? And the point isn't, that governments are now trying to boost the economy - the problem is that they are, without asking one question, helping the banks that caused the entire catastrophe, while the victims are left behind.


Possibly. But again, we're getting ahead of ourselves. I'm all for something in between what you have, and what we have, or rather both programs. It's just not economically feasible though..

That is - sorry to say so - bullshit. In Germany, the Health Insurance Funds earn billions per year. The system is pretty easy: Everybody transfers money to his Health INsureance Funds, depending on the respective income - each month. All medical treatments are payed from that funds. Usually, people don't get sick every month and especially rich people (private patients) will almost never cost more than they pay (at least 7500 Euro per year). So the system is based on a redistribution of money.

The down side here is, that as physician, you probably will have to work more than in the USA to earn the same amount of money - if that's even possible. So, just as example: Instead of treating one patient for 10,000 Euro, you may have to treat 10 patients for 1000 Euro each.


Btw how's Germany doing? I keep hearing these German economists claiming the worst is over, yet your unemployment rate is over 8% and rising, and your trade surplus is gradually declining.

You have to keep in mind, where Germany is coming from in that two departments. In 1997 the unemployment rate was at 11 %, and it reached an all-time-low (7,8 %) in 2008. Although I think that most unemployed people live better here than some people who actually do have jobs in the USA. I mean...tz. Unemployed people get something that's called "Hartz IV" here, which is around 400 Euro ($560) per month. If they just lost their job recently, they even get up to 60 % of their last monthly income. Boohoo?

And the trade surplus? There is a reason why we are the world-champions of export. Unfortunatelly, this also has it's down sides.

Originally posted by Borbarad
In general, all people are free to choose their doctor, but the doctor is - technically - able to refute to take a patient, which pretty much never happens. What happens is, unless you're a private patient (=50,000 Euro+ a year), you could end up on a long waiting line. Just as an example: It's possible that you have to wait for one month to get an appointment at the eye doctor of your choice.

Excellent, you finally respond. And yes, I fear that this is the inherent flaw(I like saying that) with universal healthcare.

The exception to the "chose your doctor" rule happens, when you're brought into a hospital as an emergency case. There, of course, your doctor will be whoever is suited for your case. But, even then, private patients are usually attented by a head physician or the chief of medicine.

Well at least that's good.

So, essentially, everyone is free to chose his doctor, with the "poor" people having to wait longer for an appointment. But this, and I'm not sure if that's the case in the US, is just the case, because every doctor is paid equally for a certain treatment. That means, for example: a good psychiatrist doesn't earn more money than a bad one - per patient. He will, probably, just have more of them, hence get more money. The same is - ironically - true for lawyers over here. And, even more fun, the latter don't even get contingency fees, if they win a case.

I think, now you know why I'm neither a lawyer nor a physician.


Yea, I can see why you're neither. And you're right about the poor people. However, I thought that was one of the things universal healthcare was supposed to remedy?

I'm not just talking about the bubbles but about a certain mentality that is present through-out the entire society. People just strife to get rich and famous - preferably both and, preferably, without real "work" involved in that process. Just have a look at the damn casting shows that spread like a viral infection through the daily TV programmes. Education? Studies? Learning a regular job? No way. "I want to become a superstar". Greetings from "American Idol".

Hey I agree with you. In terms of average IQ, America has one of the lowest rates in the world. Stupid shit like American Idol shouldn't exist. But I disagree with you about our education system when it comes down to college and above. We have one of the best, if not the best. The problem though, and I think this is worldwide, is that schools don't teach you what you really need to know for your major or your profession. Take for instance, my economics degree. I've learned more from outside reading/graphs/blogs/newsletters for 1 year than 30+ hours of economics credits. I know more than most econ grad students. The reason is, they teach you methods that are either obselete or just flat out wrong. Keynesian economics dominates this country while most people don't realize that it is fundamentally flawed.

This trend has also lead to an enviroment, in which work in general (and with "work" I mean "labor"😉 isn't respected any longer. 20 years in the past, workers - at least here in Germany - had strong bonds with the companies they worked for, expanding over a "normal" relationship between employer and employee. The workers identified themselves with the company they worked for, and had respect, because they had work. Today, you're only respected if you're either famous or, talking about everyday business, when you're rich. And thusly, people strife for becoming rich. Ironically, the bankers that were on the edge yesterday, are just demanding bonuses today. What was that in N.Y.C? One banker wanted more than 100 million $ as a bonus, despite the fact that he had bankrupted his own company. Congratulations. That's a sort of mentality that should be extinquished.

I agree with some aspects of this Nai, because this rings true mostly in the USA and is a leading reason why we're headed to a stock market crash and economic collapse. What Germany, Sweden, Norway, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, China, and Brazil are doing now is what we were doing post WWII, and that's producing more than consuming and increasing trade and budget surpluses. In America, we went from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. We stopped manufacturing, started consuming and then using credit for more consumption (hence the current credit crisis), while outsourcing most work for cheaper labor. Now we aren't going to get out of this rut because we have no more real wealth, and without real wealth we can't realistically sustain our debts. All America has is the printing press at this point. That's why I throw most of what I have into gold and other commodities, as well as shorting the dollar a few times over the past year.

Lmao. You really believe that? Taxes are a product of the fact, that a state (or the governmental body) needs to spend money for something. They were present long before the fiat money system. Do terms like "ecclesiastical tithe" or "socage" ring a bell? And the point isn't, that governments are now trying to boost the economy - the problem is that they are, without asking one question, helping the banks that caused the entire catastrophe, while the victims are left behind.

When an economy is booming Nai, low taxes are more than sufficient, if not no taxes. When a country produces a ****load and consumes less while increasing savings to fund more capital investments, the "REAL" revenues generated are more than enough to pay for government services and other programs.

That is - sorry to say so - bullshit. In Germany, the Health Insurance Funds earn billions per year. The system is pretty easy: Everybody transfers money to his Health INsureance Funds, depending on the respective income - each month. All medical treatments are payed from that funds. Usually, people don't get sick every month and especially rich people (private patients) will almost never cost more than they pay (at least 7500 Euro per year). So the system is based on a redistribution of money.

I'm not really sure I understand how that healthcare system works in terms of the rich and the poor, perhaps you can explain it better. And it's not bullshit because the ONLY way a system like this can be sustained, is if your country has relatively little national debt, as well as a considerable budget surplus and trade surplus.

The down side here is, that as physician, you probably will have to work more than in the USA to earn the same amount of money - if that's even possible. So, just as example: Instead of treating one patient for 10,000 Euro, you may have to treat 10 patients for 1000 Euro each.

Which is why I'm thinking the profession is going to take a major hit if Obama's healthcare plan passes.

You have to keep in mind, where Germany is coming from in that two departments. In 1997 the unemployment rate was at 11 %, and it reached an all-time-low (7,8 %) in 2008. Although I think that most unemployed people live better here than some people who actually do have jobs in the USA. I mean...tz. Unemployed people get something that's called "Hartz IV" here, which is around 400 Euro ($560) per month. If they just lost their job recently, they even get up to 60 % of their last monthly income. Boohoo?

So you get $560 per month for how many months? And does your Bureau of Labor Statistics also distort unemployment rates like this country does? We're realistically almost double what the stated unemployment rate is. If you are saying you get $560 a month until you find a job, which could theoretically be years, I'm wondering how Germany will be able to sustain indefinitely.

And the trade surplus? There is a reason why we are the world-champions of export. Unfortunatelly, this also has it's down sides. [/B]

Ah, but it does, and this is what China is going through right now and I fear, Germany is going to on a greater scale. We are facing a worldwide depression right now and consumer spending is at a historic low. China has warehouses stacked with goods that aren't being exported anywhere because nobody is buying anymore. This will be an even bigger problem in Germany because China pays its employees a hell of a lot less than Germany pays its employees. What you're going to see is an economic contraction sometime soon, with unemployment rising even further (IE deflation).

One more thing, for anyone reading this. I used the wrong term with Nai. In terms of Germany, I wasn't referring to deflation, but rather, disinflation. It's pretty much impossible to have deflation in a fiat money system.

Also, Obama wins.

Originally posted by Eminence
Also, Obama wins.

In spending more in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years and effectively destroying our economy? Yup, he's #1.

Obama's already spent trillions of dollars on a useless war and occupation? Damn, he's good.

Dr McBeefington
Yup, he's #1.
You have seen the light.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Obama's already spent trillions of dollars on a useless war and occupation? Damn, he's good.

The "useless war and occupation" is debatable.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

Also, Obama kick started the depression better than Bush ever could. Gotta love leftist/keynesian economists.