The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by truejedi3,287 pages

Get back to that in awhile Red, mostly cause I'm lazy, and only cared about health care on Friday:

First, this just in:

Racism is bad. Don't do it.

Also:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KYLE!!! (:

Yes. A pleasant "birthday" to the almost-not-a-minor.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington

I'm very surprised by you Veneficus. I thought you were all liberal all the way, but you seem to be a liberal I can respect, for that exact post. I never understood the concept of a "moral high ground" because it doesn't relate to today's society. You're absolutely correct, it's about winning. I want Gitmo to remain open. I want capital murderers to continue getting the death penalty.
I support the Patriot act because I understand something like that is necessary in the continued war on terror. I want my fellow Americans and allies of Americans protected at ALL costs.

I'm liberal in social policies, but when it comes to security I'm just as hardline as any conservative. Stuff like the PATRIOT act doesn't bother me, because I have nothing to hide. This isn't Star Wars and the government isn't going to turn into the Empire just because of extra security.

We are being threatened by religious fanatics willing to gleefully blow civilians up in the name of their barbaric religion.

People that argue that we need to retain the moral high ground and not lower ourselves to their "level" are-in my opinion-idiots.

Originally posted by Autokrat
I'm liberal in social policies, but when it comes to security I'm just as hardline as any conservative. Stuff like the PATRIOT act doesn't bother me, because I have nothing to hide. This isn't Star Wars and the government isn't going to turn into the Empire just because of extra security.

We are being threatened by religious fanatics willing to gleefully blow civilians up in the name of their barbaric religion.

People that argue that we need to retain the moral high ground and not lower ourselves to their "level" are-in my opinion-idiots.

Amen to that. Just curious though. What social issues are you "liberal" in?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I thought you were still talking about TJ's proposal, where the hospitals are instructed to give care to anyone who asks. (I don't believe he put any qualifiers on that?) If you were only talking about emergency care then yes, they are already partially bound by the law.
Indeed. they can't look at your credit score if you go in with internal bleeding and skull lacerations. that would be a manslaughter charge.

Source? I work in a hospital.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Amen to that. Just curious though. What social issues are you "liberal" in?

Abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research, same sex marriage are pretty much the ones I'm liberal in.

I suppose if you define climate change control/alternative energy sources as a liberal point of view then I would fall into that category in those as well.

In terms of healthcare reform, I'm divided since I'm fairly certain America is just too big for any government system to work. The European welfare states work for Europe since they have much smaller populations and a smaller ratio of the working poor. Not to mention that right now seems to be poor timing considering the state of the economy. I think reform is needed, but I have no opinion on how.

Afghanistan is a problem since I don't believe democracy will work there, nor should we try and create democracy. Democracy is not something you can force on people and certainly not backwater primitives like the Afghanis. I don't think the average American understands that the Afghanis do not think like we do. They do not automatically associate democracy with goodness. I doubt they truly even understand the concepts, especially when you consider the tribal regions. They are not educated, literate people. They are backwards and feudal. Someday they will perhaps become more democratic, but thats not going to happen through force. The Afghanis are not the same as the Iraqis, not at all.

That being said, we still need to make sure the Taliban don't regain control of the place. Obama's major blunder was giving a timetable of all things. Idiotic if you ask me. The Taliban need not kill the soldiers in Afghanistan, they just have to survive them.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research, same sex marriage are pretty much the ones I'm liberal in.

Fair enough

I suppose if you define climate change control/alternative energy sources as a liberal point of view then I would fall into that category in those as well.

Haven't really debated this much.

In terms of healthcare reform, I'm divided since I'm fairly certain America is just too big for any government system to work. The European welfare states work for Europe since they have much smaller populations and a smaller ratio of the working poor. Not to mention that right now seems to be poor timing considering the state of the economy. I think reform is needed, but I have no opinion on how.

I'm glad you realize the facts. It's not that I don't believe in healthcare reform, because I do. I don't believe in healthcare reform when we are running historically high budget and trade deficits as well as an astronomical national debt. Obama and Bernanke follow the fundamentally flawed Keynesdian economics and try to stimulate spending by increasing the money supply through various cash for.... programs and creating artificial growth. I think they're both downright incompetent on the matter of economics. And only after we are running some kind of surplus would I even consider healthcare reform, and NOT Obamacare.

Afghanistan is a problem since I don't believe democracy will work there, nor should we try and create democracy. Democracy is not something you can force on people and certainly not backwater primitives like the Afghanis. I don't think the average American understands that the Afghanis do not think like we do. They do not automatically associate democracy with goodness. I doubt they truly even understand the concepts, especially when you consider the tribal regions. They are not educated, literate people. They are backwards and feudal. Someday they will perhaps become more democratic, but thats not going to happen through force. The Afghanis are not the same as the Iraqis, not at all.

I agree, Democracy won't work there, but while we're there, the Muslims are spending their time fighting us instead of Israel or waging their holy war on other countries.

That being said, we still need to make sure the Taliban don't regain control of the place. Obama's major blunder was giving a timetable of all things. Idiotic if you ask me. The Taliban need not kill the soldiers in Afghanistan, they just have to survive them. [/B]

Yea, I agree.

Everyone's agreeing? There's harmony amongst you?

F*ckin' hippies...

Just stumbled onto this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crosscurrent

They announced it a few days ago and the book will be ready within a month? I shudder at how much sucking it's going to do. Also, I'm curious as to how much more they can possibly **** up continuity.

Seriously, come up with a villian that isn't a Sith for a change, wtf?!

Anyway, everyone here agrees that Galen Marek is superior in the Force than Fay right?

Time travel? Wut?

Time travel... for f*ckssake. First flow-walking, then cryostassis, now literal time travel. Oh no, wait. There's still those gods who lived on some random moon that sent a group of Stormtroopers 8,000 year in the past and killed Leia by turning her heart in to a diamond.

Anyone else think that Star Wars and Star Trek are starting to cross-over?

On the plus side, I just Avatar. Oscar for Cameron.

no.

wait, is crosscurrent the next book in the FOTJ series?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Time travel... for f*ckssake. First flow-walking, then cryostassis, now literal time travel. Oh no, wait. There's still those gods who lived on some random moon that sent a group of Stormtroopers 8,000 year in the past and killed Leia by turning her heart in to a diamond.

Anyone else think that Star Wars and Star Trek are starting to cross-over?

On the plus side, I just Avatar. Oscar for Cameron.

I think I've seen it like 7 times and it just gets better everytime for me. James Cameron is the greatest filmmaker ever. No, I don't have to prove that assertion.

you seriously LIKED avatar? You have to be kidding me. Garbage. 2 hours and 40 minutes of freaking GARBAGE.

Seriously, I could practically explain Pocohontas and this movie in the SAME paragraph, and you wouldn't know which i was talking about.

Originally posted by truejedi
Seriously, I could practically explain Pocohontas and this movie in the SAME paragraph, and you wouldn't know which i was talking about.

It may not be on the level of Shawshank, Green Mile, or Braveheart, but it was my favorite movie. And come on, really? Lack of originality? I could say that for every movie today if I generalize. The story was original, everything else, who cares? Do you REALLY think that James Cameron, the man who made the two terminators and titanic, actually needed to copy someone else's story?

well, titantic was obviously a borrowed story, the ending was already pretty clear:

Spoiler:
it sinks!
and terminators has been covered on crack for its many many plotholes, but i still LIKED those movies.

lol, i won't try to ruin it for you, but it had a little too much of the lovey-dovey and too many pan shots of the fake world for my taste. Plus the obvious sequel: Avatar 2: Humans nuke aliens from orbit made the "feel-good" ending seem absurd, hollow, and unrealisitic.

I don't know how the French do it, but somehow they make Star Wars lame.

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