Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!"---As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?---Thus they yelled and laughedThe madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him---you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us---for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars---and yet they have done it themselves.
It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: "What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"
Originally posted by Jonathan IngramStories alone don't make a great game.
And the Xenosaga trilogy details a storyline nearly unprecedented in depth and complexity, with some of the most emotive storytelling telling and some of the best music ever seen in a game, resulting in a truly brilliant story, being told in a truly brilliant manner. You act as if the philosophical themes explored are all that Xenosaga has to offer when its presentation and exploration of other themes are truly beyond comparison.Bioware games are generally as lacking in presentation as they are in depth and complexity with their only real differentiating factor being their choice based mechanics. That Greg Zeschuk actually thinks that Bioware can make the best story driven games around with people like Tetsuya Takahashi, Masato Kato, Soraya Saga, Yuji Horii and Hideo Kojima making games is truly laughable.
I wouldn't say that Bioware really delivers on the gameplay front either. Mass Effect was more of a mediocre third person shooter with RPG elements and a choice based system which from a storytelling perspective can be said to be quite flawed. Xenosaga, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, and Chrono Cross offers some of the best, most tactical turn based combat in RPGs, and the Metal Gear Solid games, aside from having truly incredible storylines, offers some of the best gameplay you can find in a game (in terms of the sheer scope and variety of things you can do). People complain that the Metal Gear Solid games are too story oriented but the truth is if they took the time out to try out the ridiculous number of gameplay mechanics the games have to offer, the story:gameplay ratio is more 50:50.
Holy crap all of this talk about Xenosaga and I literally just found out that a new game in the series was announced like 2 days ago!
wikipedia.xenorg/wiki/Xenoblade [xenorg = org]
Now all we need is a continuation of Xenogears and the Chrono series.
Unless Monolith Soft are just messing with us and the 'Xeno' in its name has nothing to do with it being set in the same universe or being stylistically similar to the Xenosaga games or Xenogears... in which case I will be pissed.
Oh yeah!
Originally posted by Jonathan IngramYeah and you didn't even play the game and you are already coming out with an irrational point of view.
I wouldn't say that Bioware really delivers on the gameplay front either. Mass Effect was more of a mediocre third person shooter with RPG elements and a choice based system which from a storytelling perspective can be said to be quite flawed.
Sorry but personally, the gameplay of most western rpg's are vastly superior to the majority of JRPG's i have played.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You know what's interesting. It took the sith emperor 1400 years to conquer the jedi and the republic. It took Darth Krayt(with the help of the Imperial remnant) only 100.
That is kind of odd.
You would think the 1400 year presumably bamf Force user would have an easier time.
Instead he tries to use Revan first time around and then that obviously fails.
Then it takes him another 300 years?
Maybe he's not so impressive?
Originally posted by Autokrat
That is kind of odd.You would think the 1400 year presumably bamf Force user would have an easier time.
Instead he tries to use Revan first time around and then that obviously fails.
Then it takes him another 300 years?
Maybe he's not so impressive?
Or it's possible that the Old Republic writer has no concept of continuity. I think that we would have to disregard around 7-8 sources if we take his word as canon, specifically that Revan and Malak visited the emperor and he somehow magically corrupted them within a few months at most. None of that fits into the timeline. Furthermore, if you're a sith, wouldn't the best time to attack the Republic be after the Jedi Civil War, when the Republic is near destruction and there are less than 100 active Jedi left in the galaxy? Why wait another 300 years and let the Republic rebuild?
Furthermore, why does the unidentified sith in the trailer say they've been preparing for 300 years? What have they been doing for the other 1,000 years? And why did they only start preparing after the Republic was pretty much destroyed? Either the Sith Emperor is incompetent, or the writer for this game didn't play any of the KOTOR games, or read other EU sources. Either way, it's retarded.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Or it's possible that the Old Republic writer has no concept of continuity. I think that we would have to disregard around 7-8 sources if we take his word as canon, specifically that Revan and Malak visited the emperor and he somehow magically corrupted them within a few months at most. None of that fits into the timeline. Furthermore, if you're a sith, wouldn't the best time to attack the Republic be after the Jedi Civil War, when the Republic is near destruction and there are less than 100 active Jedi left in the galaxy? Why wait another 300 years and let the Republic rebuild?Furthermore, why does the unidentified sith in the trailer say they've been preparing for 300 years? What have they been doing for the other 1,000 years? And why did they only start preparing after the Republic was pretty much destroyed? Either the Sith Emperor is incompetent, or the writer for this game didn't play any of the KOTOR games, or read other EU sources. Either way, it's retarded.
Whats depressing is the fact that the lead writer is Karpyshyn, the mastermind behind ME and the dude who wrote the storyline for KOTOR.
You would think out of anyone, he just might have some knowledge of the continuity.
Originally posted by Autokrat
Whats depressing is the fact that the lead writer is Karpyshyn, the mastermind behind ME and the dude who wrote the storyline for KOTOR.You would think out of anyone, he just might have some knowledge of the continuity.
Wow I had no idea Drew had a hand in this. How does that even make sense? He wrote the character of Revan and the KOTOR storyline. How is it possible that he could create this storyline which mostly contradicts KOTOR 1? Did he get a memory wipe or something? That's sad.