The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wow I had no idea Drew had a hand in this. How does that even make sense? He wrote the character of Revan and the KOTOR storyline. How is it possible that he could create this storyline which mostly contradicts KOTOR 1? Did he get a memory wipe or something? That's sad.

Or maybe you we should stop judging a game that hasn't even come out yet and instead wait for the finished product before we start bashing it without giving it a chance to explain itself.

Also remember that the Exile and Revan ****ed the Sith's shit up after Kotor 2, so maybe thats why it took them a further 300 years to recover enough to attack. Also remember how bloody hard it is to conquer a galaxy, And that Krayt only succeeded becuase of how fractured it was and even then not completely.

edit: That cartoon (?) made me laugh.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or maybe you we should stop judging a game that hasn't even come out yet and instead wait for the finished product before we start bashing it without giving it a chance to explain itself.

Also remember that the Exile and Revan ****ed the Sith's shit up after Kotor 2, so maybe thats why it took them a further 300 years to recover enough to attack. Also remember how bloody hard it is to conquer a galaxy, And that Krayt only succeeded becuase of how fractured it was and even then not completely.

edit: That cartoon made me laugh.

How do we know that Revan and the Exile (two people) acomplished anything?

Can you think of any other reason the invasion would be delayed 300 years over?

Also: Ha ha, Xenoblades coming out on the Wii!

What are you trying to say Neph?!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or maybe you we should stop judging a game that hasn't even come out yet and instead wait for the finished product before we start bashing it without giving it a chance to explain itself.

Also remember that the Exile and Revan ****ed the Sith's shit up after Kotor 2, so maybe thats why it took them a further 300 years to recover enough to attack. Also remember how bloody hard it is to conquer a galaxy, And that Krayt only succeeded becuase of how fractured it was and even then not completely.

edit: That cartoon (?) made me laugh.

The Exile now? What did the Exile do? Also go into the unknown regions to help Revan? You do realize that this is 5 years after Revan left right? Maybe instead of telling me not to criticize something that's obviously retarded, you should come up with an alternative conclusion that's remotely valid.

And fractured, really? You mean like having less than 100 jedi left(which was as much or more than the Galactic Civil War did), and having no real infrastructure? That kind of fractured? The Sith Emperor had 1,000 years and more to rebuild before the Jedi Civil War. The fact that he didn't attack with the Mandalorians or after the JCW ended either shows his incompetence in regards to strategy, or shit poor writing.

Originally posted by Jonathan Ingram
What are you trying to say Neph?!

That the Wii sucks as a console. Xenoblade will probably suck as well becuase of this.

Show me where I'm judging the game, and not the storyline and its creator? Go ahead.

A game as a whole both contains a storyline and is a mirror of the creator, judging one is judging the rest.

Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Revan didn't **** anyone's shit up because he was one man going to fight the true sith empire after the events of KOTOR 1.

Revan was practically one man when he took out Malak and changed the face of the galaxy. Sidious was one man when he took over the republic. Never underestimate the effect the right individual in the right place can have in a universe where one man can wipe out planets with his mind.

The Exile now? What did the Exile do? Also go into the unknown regions to help Revan? You do realize that this is 5 years after Revan left right? Maybe instead of telling me not to criticize something that's obviously retarded, you should come up with an alternative conclusion that's remotely valid.

Yes, becuase it isn't remotely possible that Revan could survive 5 years. Revans just that incompetent.

I also like the way you're obviously not judging this game. 'Completely retarded', lol.

And fractured, really? You mean like having less than 100 jedi left(which was as much or more than the Galactic Civil War did), and having no real infrastructure?

This confuses me. If you're talking about Krayt then yes, from my understanding when he made his move the galaxy was seperated into various factions. Unlike in the TOR timeline when the republic is still at the height of its strength.

If you're talking about after the Jedi Civil War with Revan and the Exile, then.....

That kind of fractured? The Sith Emperor had 1,000 years and more to rebuild before the Jedi Civil War. The fact that he didn't attack with the Mandalorians or after the JCW ended either shows his incompetence in regards to strategy, or shit poor writing.

.... This supports my case. The only reason for the Sith not to attack when the republic was more or less on the verge of callapse (I believe GOTO said it had a year at most) is if Revan caused some serious damage. This also indicates that Revan did survive past 5 years, otherwise the Sith would have attacked following Kotor 2, when the republic was at its weakest.

And he obviously isn't a poor stategist, given the way hes curbstomped the Jedi and Republic so far.

On another note, I accidentally left a two inch scratch in the second disk of Mass Effect 2.

Tech-savvy people need to identify the proper treatment for such a disk; I must repair it in order to continue playing it.

How the hell did you manage that?

Originally posted by Nephthys
A game as a whole both contains a storyline and is a mirror of the creator, judging one is judging the rest.

Revan was practically one man when he took out Malak and changed the face of the galaxy. Sidious was one man when he took over the republic. Never underestimate the effect the right individual in the right place can have in a universe where one man can wipe out planets with his mind.

Yes, becuase it isn't remotely possible that Revan could survive 5 years. Revans just that incompetent.

I also like the way you're obviously not judging this game. 'Completely retarded', lol.

This confuses me. If you're talking about Krayt then yes, from my understanding when he made his move the galaxy was seperated into various factions. Unlike in the TOR timeline when the republic is still at the height of its strength.

If you're talking about after the Jedi Civil War with Revan and the Exile, then.....
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I was actually pretty clear to the specific timelime I'm discussing. After the JCW, the Republic was shattered.

.... This supports my case. The only reason for the Sith not to attack when the republic was more or less on the verge of callapse (I believe GOTO said it had a year at most) is if Revan caused some serious damage. This also indicates that Revan did survive past 5 years, otherwise the Sith would have attacked following Kotor 2, when the republic was at its weakest.

And he obviously isn't a poor stategist, given the way hes curbstomped the Jedi and Republic so far. [/B]

Obviously he is, if he didn't attack the Republic after the JCW, or was thwarted by Revan, as you claim.

Originally posted by Gideon
On another note, I accidentally left a two inch scratch in the second disk of Mass Effect 2.

Tech-savvy people need to identify the proper treatment for such a disk; I must repair it in order to continue playing it.

It's called rapishare and torrents. Use them.

How do you use rapidshare unless someone gives you a download link?

EDIT - Nvm, google is awsome.

Originally posted by Autokrat
How do you use rapidshare unless someone gives you a download link?

EDIT - Nvm, google is awsome.

You're kidding, right? You can do free downloads although there's a limit. OR you can fork over $10 and get all the downloads you want.

Originally posted by Autokrat
EDIT - Nvm, google is awesome.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You're kidding, right? You can do free downloads although there's a limit. OR you can fork over $10 and get all the downloads you want.

Its my only option since my college is ghey and blocks bitorrent of any kind.

Nephthys say something controversial in my thread so that other people post in it pls.

This is like saying the author sucks because you don't like his storyline, so you would be incorrect as usual. Criticizing the storyline has no bearing on gameplay. Try again.

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I'm going to let you off on this one becuase you must have been stupid tired or something. That is exactly what I am saying. Exactly. When you criticise a storyline, you are by extension criticising the game becuase the storyline is part of a game. You cannot seperate the two. Likewise, if you think that the storyline is crap, then you are saying that something the author created and put out into the world to be judged, is crap. It is the author's job to satisfy us, the consumer, with a tasty snack of a plot and if the storyline fails, the author has failed.

But since this is merely a point about semantics I'll re-phrase.

Or maybe you we should stop judging a game plot that hasn't even come out yet and instead wait for the finished product before we start bashing it without giving it a chance to explain itself.

Happy?

Malak had the sith empire behind him, Sidious had the republic behind him, don't be dense. Revan can't take on an entire "true sith" empire alone. That wouldn't even make any sense.

And I'm sure that the Master Strategist Revan will in no way consider something which even you thought of. No I'm sure that he'll be a tactical retard and just stand in front of their temples and hurl insults and rocks. Feelings will be most grievously wounded.

I mean, honestly. Do you really that he'll just charge in and take them all on? Is that really what you think? Becuase I think he'll be a bit smarter than that. Utilise goerilla (sp?) warfare. Hit some critical supply lines, turn friend against friend, use some of those rituals that made Bane shit his pants, use his abilities at manipulation and seduction that had Traya gushing over (lol, gross). Create discord and anarchy, the Sith's natural weakness, gain supporters. There are literally thousands of ways Revan can do this.

I mean, look what Marek did. Look what Bane did. Look at how Sidious took over the republic through guile and tactical superiority. Look what Nihilus did. etc etc.

What? What the hell does this have to do with anything? You're essentially saying that Revan held off the True Sith Empire for 5 years until the Exile joined him, and they set the True Sith back 300 years. Aka retardation at its finest.

I disagree with this point.

I like your lack of ability to separate two objects.

And I like your inability to realise they're the same thing.

I was actually pretty clear to the specific timelime I'm discussing. After the JCW, the Republic was shattered.

Which would have been the perfect time to strike, yes? Now why would they not do that I wonder....

It doesn't support your argument because you haven't made one. What you're basically saying is the sith, who built up an armada and an empire, were powerless against Revan while 300 years later, they could take on the whole republic? You're actually supporting my contention that the storyline is shit in terms of continuity.

I'm saying that they did better against the republic when the appeared from f'cking nowhere and blindsided them that when a tactical genius and accomplised warrior did the same thing to them. You forget that this is Star Wars, where one shot down the right garbage shute can change the face of the universe.

Obviously he is, if he didn't attack the Republic after the JCW, or was thwarted by Revan, as you claim.

If theres anything the war on terror has taught us its that its very hard to fight a small, mobile enemy. In fact, isn't that how the jedi where wiped out by the Truimverate?

You're a jerk! This is the last time I request help from you for anything!

*runs away in tears*

Spoiler:
big manly tears

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm going to let you off on this one becuase you must have been stupid tired or something. That is exactly what I am saying. Exactly. When you criticise a storyline, you are by extension criticising the game becuase the storyline is part of a game. You cannot seperate the two. Likewise, if you think that the storyline is crap, then you are saying that something the author created and put out into the world to be judged, is crap. It is the author's job to satisfy us, the consumer, with a tasty snack of a plot and if the storyline fails, the author has failed.

And I'm sure that the Master Strategist Revan will in no way consider something which even you thought of. No I'm sure that he'll be a tactical retard and just stand in front of their temples and hurl insults and rocks. Feelings will be most grievously wounded.

I mean, honestly. Do you really that he'll just charge in and take them all on? Is that really what you think? Becuase I think he'll be a bit smarter than that. Utilise goerilla (sp?) warfare. Hit some critical supply lines, turn friend against friend, use some of those rituals that made Bane shit his pants, use his abilities at manipulation and seduction that had Traya gushing over (lol, gross). Create discord and anarchy, the Sith's natural weakness, gain supporters. There are literally thousands of ways Revan can do this.

I mean, look what Marek did. Look what Bane did. Look at how Sidious took over the republic through guile and tactical superiority. Look what Nihilus did. etc etc.

I disagree with this point.

And I like your inability to realise they're the same thing.

Which would have been the perfect time to strike, yes? Now why would they not do that I wonder....

I'm saying that they did better against the republic when the appeared from f'cking nowhere and blindsided them that when a tactical genius and accomplised warrior did the same thing to them. You forget that this is Star Wars, where one shot down the right garbage shute can change the face of the universe.

If theres anything the war on terror has taught us its that its very hard to fight a small, mobile enemy. In fact, isn't that how the jedi where wiped out by the Truimverate? [/B]

Except I'm having a hard time equating the war on terrot to one man and 300 years.

Originally posted by Jonathan Ingram
You're a jerk! This is the last time I request help from you for anything!

*runs away in tears*

Spoiler:
big manly tears

I'd still say you're a girl though.

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I am enraged.

I just did my 2009 tax returns and discovered that I ****ing owe the IRS over $500.

Do note, that I am a university student that makes shit for money. I go to school FULL TIME, working towards my education and future career so I can become a productive member of society and not work a dead end job.

But, because I am a young white male in his 20s with no deductibles, the IRS just thinks I'm ****ing loaded with money. Because apparenlty college students are rich.

Not only do I have loans for college (were talking close to 20K worth of student loans) now I have to scrape money together to pay the ****ing IRS.

I don't know what bullshit is going on up on Capitol Hill that lead to this nonsense, but I say **** THEM.

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