The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Eminence
Yes.

And given that he's probably bawling about the fact that some of us don't have Israel's cock lodged in our throat, I feel compelled to clarify; I was referring to the position Israel's action has put it in, not the raid itself. The political backlash and public outrage aren't doing anything for the country's image.

As to the encounter, with the exception of one video - courtesy by the IDF - any detailed report of precisely what happened eludes me (which seems to be the case most everywhere at the moment). While I wouldn't be especially surprised to discover Israel's done something brash and politically compromising, given the information I have I can't completely decry the use of force.

That said, why nine people died is beyond me.

I've already added my rebuttal, but way to grasp at straws as usual🙂 Next time maybe you'll learn how to read before attempting to debate something you don't understand.

I enjoy you guys trying to debate the "humanity" or "morality" of something that was accused of being "illegal", yet wasn't illegal in any sense of the word.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm going to assume you're either being sarcastic, or are ignorant of Israeli history.

Israel did not break the law. According to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign civilian vessels can be boarded on the high seas for a number of different reasons. For example, if they thought the cargo of the ship was illegal and wanted to inspect it. **** it, they can board a god damn ship off the coast of their country for a ****ing safety inspection - The US Coast Guard does it all the time.

Let me break this down into small items.
1) Blockade is legal.
2) Ships legally told not to run blockade before it left port.
3) Ships ordered to turn around off the coast of Israel.
4) Israel exercises it's legal right under international law to board ship off it's coast.
5) During boarding, Israeli boarding party is attacked.
6) Under international law, off the coast of Israel, Israeli navy defends itself.

So tell me Veneficus, what International Law applies here exactly? A blockade was in place, and this fleet was warned before they left not to attempt to run the blockade. Once at sea, they were told to turn back.
I'm gonna say this once. A fleet of ships approached the coast of Israel, was ordered to stand down by the Israeli Navy, and refused. Thus, in accordance with international law, they were boarded, by force, by the Israeli Navy.

It's not much different than any ship approaching the US. If they refuse to submit to inspection, they can be and most likely will be boarded, in accordance with international law. This pretty much happens at sea a hundred times a day.

Now, you can argue that the ships weren't going to Israel, they were going to Gaza. But there is a blockade around Gaza - to prevent anyone in Gaza from having weapons which in turn is being used to attack Israel. Egypt also takes part in this blockade.

I'm not a ship captain and don't plan to be in the near future. Someone needs to find out what international laws apply here. I'm pretty sure that according to international law, countries have the right to stop and inspect ships - The US does it up and down the Gulf Coast and in the Pacific, as well as off the Florida keys, looking mostly for drugs. I know about the three mile territory limit, but I'm pretty sure legally according to international law countries can patrol and have rights far outside of that area. [/B]

Once again, educate yourselves before responding(not you Faunus, I don't expect anything from you regarding the political sphere or real world applications).

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

One is a comparative statement based on a padawan's limited experience, while the other is an absolute statement, which may or may not be based on a padawan's limited experience. I'd have to see the exact quote to be more definite than that.

ya, i figured, but didn't we recently acknowledge the existence of limited narrators? Such as Bane's musings about Kas'sim? If so, the Anoon comment DEFINITLY falls under that.

You seem to think that Obi-Wan is of Bane's caliber.

Elaborate.

What? Are you HIGH? You are making things up. You were more competent last time you were here.

Bane has experience.

Bane tore apart a forest.

I respect his opinion far beyond TPM Kenobi's, who has done absolutely nothing, seen nothing, and understands nothing. If you take his word as canon, where will that lead you.

You shouldn't hit or miss. We had a discussion about the narrator from Bane's views of Kas'sim. The narration was from a limited point of view: Bane's. Even though it read like an omniscient source, we decided it was not. It was merely Bane's point of view.

Anoon Bondara's SINGLE ACCOLADE is from the same sort of perspective: That of his Padawan. Written as though from an omniscient, but NOT, since it is clearly also from the view of that Padawan.

What I said had NOTHING to do with Kenobi.

And you really should get your facts straight before you try to fight a war.

TPM says that QGJ was the best swordsman that Kenobi had ever seen. Does this not at...

I was responding to this.

And wars are bad.

Context, dude. Context.

Context.

Silence, Arab.

**** McGee, that is one good fanfic.

someone needs to man up and find the comic download section of that russian starwars site

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
someone needs to man up and find the comic download section of that russian starwars site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqiQcJ-d8r8

This is the kind of music a 24 year old was doing at that time. Compare that to the music today's 24 year olds do, and you find that we're in the "LA CLIPPERS" of Music as far as time periods go.

During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip.

The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists.

“This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos,” a defense official said. “They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover.”

Owned.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/anti_israel_sharks_sniff_weakness_n5AbqK6bk6NHcy6qEWK5jJ#ixzz0phPKSy8o

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, i'm comparing Eminence's grasp of politics/real world to your grasp of star wars logic.

Give me one example in which this is true. My major debates in this forum that I remember:

Empire invasion of Earth: I was on Earth side. Earth side won.

Kas'im vs Vader: Borat conceded.

Whether or not any of a list of factions COULD conceivably beat the Empire: Rebels beat the Empire. Although this somewhat was due to PIS/CIS and the Empire's arrogance, they did, so it is conceivable; whether or not it was likely wasn't the point.

NJO vs 501st: My points were valid and supported by other pretty good debaters. If you disagree, I invite you to give evidence.

Fate of the Jedi/Legacy of the Force Luke with saber proof armor vs Darth Bane with Orbalisks: I supported Luke. Do I really need to explain this?

FOTJ Galaxy invaded by Empire: My points, whether or not they are correct, are valid; Luke CAN bypass security and Luke CAN cloak stuff. If you disagree, I invite you to give evidence.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Well. They had nice list of demands attached to them lending Greece money.

I still don't get how the Greeks did react on that crisis. Actually the Greece government was trying to save money before (and the only way to do that is cut the wages of officials). What do they do? Start a strike! I mean, okay: Their government pretty much f*cked it up and that system encorporating corruption anywhere certainly can't work for the future. Still ignoring that there is no money and start a strike seems to be quite idiotic.

But I'm actually less worried about Spain than I'm worried about Italy and Belgium...

Regarding the bailouts: I find it kind of funny, that certain people, banks, corporations and even countries sticked to the "too big to fail" doctrine and...failed. One should assume they have learned something during the last 50-90 years. Apparently they didn't. Sometimes I can only wonder how certain people are actually capable of making money on the financial markets. I can only suppose this is based on "luck" which they attempt to sell as "expertise".

A German comedian summoned this kind of system by quoting a "financial expert" from the German stock market. The guy - and this is no joke - commented a stock price with the words: "There is much fantasy in that quotation". That pretty much sums up my view on the stock markets.

The "budget deficit cutting" certainly doesn't work for Germany. We are aiming for a record deficit of about 100 billion Euro (mainly because of the financial crisis). Luxembourg and the Swiss are certainly doing better. 😉 [/B]

Of course it's not working, you guys offered the bailout lol. I wouldn't worry about Germany though, you guys are kicking ass with your exports.

So..... Spiderman might be black. Huh. Thoughts?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So..... Spiderman might be black. Huh. Thoughts?

...uh, ok.

That reminds me; if Megan Fox is leaving Transformers, then how are they going to make a third one? I guess they could just say that her character and Sam broke up, but to not include her at all? That would be a little odd.