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^ I like it.

Thanks, also: Checkmate.

Checkmate?

The Anti-Spiral blows Palpifail right outta the water.

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The Anti-Spiral blows Palpi[b]fail right outta the water. [/B]

😂

This might have bothered me if Palpatine wasn't better than the Joker.

But because he is, I'll settle for one of your emo anime characters ruling a greater territory of space.

And for a much longer period of time. And the Joker is still a superior villian, you just have a wonky measuring stick.

And I'm not een going to go into the Anti-Spirals other accomplishments, which include killing off the love interest.

Edit: The best part is, Failatine loses to a guy who looks like this:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Find a rich, ugly woman and become her boy-toy. I can garrantee it, it's how I'm getting through university.

Maybe you could if you weren't such an ass. You have called me a bigot and failed to retract it, so I am definitly going to have you murdered. Painfully.

Huh, when did I do that?

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And for a much longer period of time.

Your mom.

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And the Joker is still a superior villian, you just have a wonky measuring stick.

I measure a villain's superiority on a number of criteria; if they accomplish nothing and are nothing, and the director goes out of his way to construct bullshit plotlines because they're closet emo fanboys of the character, then that character is not likely to resonate with me.

Ledger did a hell of a job and his Joker was arguably the greatest portrayal of a villain I've ever seen, but the character himself does nothing for me. Palpatine is far more intelligent, far more powerful, far more successful, while being much more charismatic and, dare I say it, fallible than a guy who's apparently omniscient for no other reason than hack writing.

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And I'm not een going to go into the Anti-Spirals other accomplishments, which include killing off the love interest.

No one cares. Even Google doesn't know who that guy is.

I measure a villain's superiority on a number of criteria; if they accomplish nothing and are nothing,

Joker won something far more lasting than Palpatines Empire of Air (Oxymandias ref ftw!).

and the director goes out of his way to construct bullshit plotlines because they're closet emo fanboys of the character, then that character is not likely to resonate with me.

How can you be emo over The Joker? The Smiling Psycho? The Clown Prince of Corruption?

No one cares. Even Google doesn't know who that guy is.

Your Google-fu needs work.

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Joker won something far more lasting than Palpatines Empire of Air (Oxymandias ref ftw!).

No offense, N, but I told you that I don't have any patience for your dishonesty.

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How can you be emo over The Joker? The Smiling Psycho? The Clown Prince of Corruption?

There is such a thing as a perky goth, you know. It's the same reason why emo subculture enjoys the likes of Invader Zim, the Nightmare Before Christmas, etc. The insidious emo mentality takes otherwise happy or positive characters or ideas (like clowns) and transforms them into dark figures (the Joker).

No offense, N, but I told you that I don't have any patience for your dishonesty.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FromACertainPointOfView?from=Main.JediTruth

There is such a thing as a perky goth, you know. It's the same reason why emo subculture enjoys the likes of Invader Zim, the Nightmare Before Christmas, etc. The insidious emo mentality takes otherwise happy or positive characters or ideas (like clowns) and transforms them into dark figures (the Joker).

I thought that was Jerry Robinson. 😕

A lie's a lie.

In all seriousness, pursuing my questions about the Joker has only met with waves of irrational anger. It's like people are... afraid to criticise the damn movies.

I don't care that you question his awesomeness, Its that you put a pretender like Palfailatine before him that irks me.

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I don't care that you question his awesomeness, Its that you put a pretender like Palfailatine before him that irks me.

I don't question the Joker's awesomeness, I admit he's awesome. That's the difference between you and I: I'm not a fanboy. If I were, I'd be slamming one constantly while praising the other.

Spoiler:
Like you, the emo-Joker fangirl.

You think you think he's awesome, but really you don't think he's awesome enough. At least, I think.

And you made fun of the him and Dent scene. hoss

I'm sorry, man, but Dent's corruption at the Joker's hands is stupid. Not because of the acting or the dialogue, but because of the logic behind it. I can, in an odd way, understand why Dent would want to go after Gordon and Batman... but to spare the Joker? Fanservice. And hack writing.

He spared Joker becuase he had just become Two-Face, and flipped a coin for it. The scene makes perfect sense.

No, Joker is a better villain than Palpatine. He may not be more powerful than Sidious, but that's a good thing because I strongly dislike villains who are the most powerful in their universe. Also, the Joker wasn't trying to be succesful unlike Sidious whose goal was what, trying to take over the universe and live forever? There are already so many villains who try this exact thing that it starting to get boring.

I thought the Joker was more charismatic than Sidious, the Joker can really take control of a scene while Sidious (in the PT) is just there. He may have been charismatic to Anakin, but Anakin is kind of an idiot, if he had at least a few brain cells he wouldn't have joined Sidious.

You can also compare their intelligence if you will, but that's pretty difficult because Sidious is a planner while the Joker isn't. Sidious also seems more intelligent because he is surrounded by idiots. I mean really, everyone just let things happen without asking any questions at all. This would only work in Star Wars.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'm sorry, man, but Dent's corruption at the Joker's hands is stupid. Not because of the acting or the dialogue, but because of the logic behind it. I can, in an odd way, understand why Dent would want to go after Gordon and Batman... but to spare the Joker? Fanservice. And hack writing.

Sidious has a lot of hack writing going for him too. But in Star Wars they're covering it up by saying that the Dark Side clouds everything.

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No, Joker is a better villain than Palpatine.

No he ain't.

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He may not be more powerful than Sidious, but that's a good thing because I strongly dislike villains who are the most powerful in their universe.

But that's the brilliant thing, you see: Palpatine has rivals and peers in terms of power and his goals require traits and assets distinct from his strength in the Force.

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Also, the Joker wasn't trying to be succesful unlike Sidious whose goal was what, trying to take over the universe and live forever? There are already so many villains who try this exact thing that it starting to get boring.

While there may not be as many chaotic villains out there as there are megalomaniacal ones, it's not as though the Joker's motivations are purely original either.

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I thought the Joker was more charismatic than Sidious, the Joker can really take control of a scene while Sidious (in the PT) is just there. He may have been charismatic to Anakin, but Anakin is kind of an idiot, if he had at least a few brain cells he wouldn't have joined Sidious.

In what context are you applying the term charisma? If you're referring to the audience, then that is dependent greatly on the actor portraying the character. To the characters within the story, Palpatine is exuberantly charismatic. But then again, who's more likely to get a person's attention? A subdued, unassuming politician or a clown with a social complex desperate to get a person's attention?

It's rather the same reason why a screaming, hyperactive child will likely command one's attention more than a mature, quiet adult. Palpatine's character isn't meant to be commanding until he's in command.

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You can also compare their intelligence if you will, but that's pretty difficult because Sidious is a planner while the Joker isn't. Sidious also seems more intelligent because he is surrounded by idiots. I mean really, everyone just let things happen without asking any questions at all. This would only work in Star Wars.

I see this leveled at Star Wars a lot, but no one bothers to explain where, exactly, the idiocy is. I can throw the same thing in Batman's direction. If he were a real genius, he'd have put a bullet in the Joker's head.

By the way, contrary to his statements, the Joker is a schemer and a pretty good one.