The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Nephthys3,287 pages
A theme can still be relevant even if the audience isn't intimately familiar with its workings, especially when the film itself does such a good job of explaining its workings, how it impacts the psychology and philosophy of the characters, the development and make up of the characters, and the setting and plot of the film.

A theme can be relevent to the characters and still not connect with the audience at all, therefore rendering it fairly pointless. I don't really give a shit about how hard you need to work to be magician because I'm not a magician. So the theme doesn't resonate with me on any level at all.

Sometimes the greatest of villains are, in fact, tragic heroes or anti-heroes themselves.

Indeed, but unless they actually operate as the antagonist of the movie then they remain as anti-heroes. Both of these two characters are in fact the protagonists of their movies. They are not villianous in the slightest, they're anti-heroes.

I'd be fine with labelling them as either, personally. Leanord in Memento, is essentially his own antagonist;

If this were the case then he might be able to be moved into teh role of villian protagonist. Maybe. But throughout the film the tragidy of his situation is played up and we as teh audience are made to sympathise with his as a characters. He isn't the movies villian. Not all movies have villians.

Their choice to live this inhumane existence, to shift the burden on those closest to them, and see the results of that burden and willingly persist in their activities can be considered the activities of a villian.

Look, Borden is the most sympathetic and likable person in teh entire fvcking film. He is the protagonist and the object of the audiences sympathy throughout teh movie. He is a flawed 'man' who sacrifices everything for his craft and we as teh audience can sympathise with him and even respect that choice. He has flaws, but he is damn sure not a villain. 😬

And whether or not they're better villains than the Joker they're certainly better characters.

If you've read the last few pages then you know damn well that this isn't the case. They are not 'certainly' better characters at all. All 3 of these are deep, well developed characters (though I would argue that Borden is by far the weakest of the 3).

So the world of magicians you can't relate to, but the world of vigilantism, organised crime, psychotic clowns and fancy dress parties you can?

Anyways, as for the rest, it's really a matter of perspective. Either way, watch Following. Cobb just might be the best vilain of the bunch.

Is he actually a villain this time? 😛

Well, lots of really bad stuff happens to him and by the end of the film you feel really sorry for him and he was always very polite to people, so... why yes, yes he is.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Mewtwo is the best villain ever.

And if we go by Gideon's criteria, Frieza is the greatest villain.

I lol'd.

Btw, Blade Runner is a classic film. The book has some different elements because the androids lack empathy (as opposed to the film where they live in fear all the time), but I prefer the movie.

N.
If you've read the last few pages then you know damn well that this isn't the case.

😐

It's really weird how you go from being Jekyll on most subjects to Hyde when it comes to Nihilus and the Joker as villains. You do understand that people can prefer other characters to the ones you like, right? And that people don't have to agree that any specific character is the best villain of all time, right?

We've gone from useless a Old Republic to a tyranical Empire to a useless New Republic to a fractured Galactic Alliance to the... Galactic Federation Triumvirate.

One of which is the undying K'Kruhk... Ugh.

ares834
One of which is the undying K'Kruhk... Ugh.

Undying? Not if Dave Filoni and the writers of TCW's season 4 have anything to say about it! 😂

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/8143/mj-vs-lebron-what-the-stats-say

Suck it, Pippen.

Well I'm thoroughly and somewhat contemptuously embarrassed for my favorite band: 30k projected sales for Eclipse in stark contrast to Lady Gaga's approximate million for Born This Way.

How the mighty have fallen.

We are in the midst of a generation of morons.

DS
We are in the midst of a generation of morons.

Journey's promoted themselves horribly, though. They got a platinum album out of Revelation in '08, which is impressive. I'm shocked as hell Eclipse has performed so very much under par.

Have you listened to it yet?

No I've been busy I will though. Need some more workout music.

My copy of Conviction just arrived in the mail. : )

I finished it yesterday. Luke apparently learned a new trick.

hush. don't be spoilin'

It is bullshit of the highest order that at 9pm, I am unable to enjoy a jacuzzi allegedly open til 11pm.

I am irritated.

Originally posted by RagingBoner
It is bullshit of the highest order that at 9pm, I am unable to enjoy a jacuzzi allegedly open til 11pm.

I am irritated.


Swimming alone on a friday night again, as usual?

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