Originally posted by StormYep, if you want to get back to your basics than look at the Sumerian's..........Let's worship the Sun god and change it's name and make it a HIM..........cast out women as evil, and persecute anyone who has a different point of view..........Ta Da.....Inquisitions, witch burnings, heretics, crusades.........Infact if these conversations were being watched in the 1400-1500's we would all be burned at the stake.
Because few people are familiar with Zoroastrianism. At heart, this is about religion having deeper roots in and borrowing elements from other religions, whether it' s Zoroastrianism or any other.
Originally posted by cunfuzzzled
Could any of you tell me anywhere else you got your information? I'm writing a paper on which religion came first, Judaism or Zoroastrianism, and so far have found nothing on the subject. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Judaism came first, but was later influenced by zoroastrianism. I don't remember the name of the textbook, but it was for a world religions class in college.
Originally posted by Black Rob
pretty much same stance on all religion;it's possible. But as far as what came first i believe that it probably did. It's not that hard of a concept to believe when it's well known some christian concepts are already based on other religions.(Christmas for example)
Yeah but I dont think Christmas is in the Bible.
Actually Zoroastrianism may have come after, more recent scolarship dates him to the end of the second millennium B.C.E. and Judaisms stories came around 1800 B.C.E
Ahura Mazda was the name of the Good God and was surrounded by angels, and worshipped by farmers and cattle owners; Angra Mainyu was the evil spirit, worshipped by rustlers.
While it has a lot of influence on other religions, it's unique in that it has evolved over time. Which is something that it's founding people in the middle east abandoned a long time ago. (The idea of change) And while it's nice to ascribe it the responsability of an archetype religion, it's hardly the first to use such ideas. Even in this religion you can find older stereotypes for characters, events and personalities.
Re: Zoroastrianism
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Zoroastrianism...a religion that came before Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.Derived in Persia from possible Greek influences. This is considered the FIRST actual monotheistic religion.
Zoroastrianism has its own SUPREME BEING (GOD) and its own Devil (SATAN)
Zorastrianism also has its own "Armaggeddon" (Apocalypse) and its OWN SAVIOR (like our Jesus)
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam came much later. Many theologists already agree that the THREE MAJOR RELIGIONS all took influence and thier ideas from Zoroastrianism.
I CHALLENGE anyone who is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish to GOOGLE Zoroastrianism up, then tell me your thoughts.
blah blah blah..........
The only reason why they say such things is because they want to convey that the religions that existed in egypt and surroundings at the time were not theirs and therefore evil. The writers of the bible sought to persuade their readers away from that what had existed before. THATS all. And in the time of where FEAR played a major role in religion, they had to emphasize this fact.
WE all worship one god. Just because they did not know about other religions and beliefs at the time, does not make it evil. It does not mean that Satan created it!!!! They never knew that the planet was round, not about the americas and antartica...... SO DOES that make does places evil too?????????
ITs like saying all sharks are dangerous and ruthless killers, when the people saying this have only known about Great whites and Bull sharks. A very irresponsible statement when there are amazing species like the super gentle Whale sharks, Basking sharks, Bamboo sharks, zebra sharks........... etc, not to mention those that are usually under 1 meter in length
Originally posted by fini
blah blah blah..........The only reason why they say such things is because they want to convey that the religions that existed in egypt and surroundings at the time were not theirs and therefore evil. The writers of the bible sought to persuade their readers away from that what had existed before. THATS all. And in the time of where FEAR played a major role in religion, they had to emphasize this fact.
WE all worship one god. Just because they did not know about other religions and beliefs at the time, does not make it evil. It does not mean that Satan created it!!!! They never knew that the planet was round, not about the americas and antartica...... SO DOES that make does places evil too?????????
Originally posted by sonnet
The writer of the Bible is God through His spirit through men that worshipped God. They were annointed by God for this task. And God wants us to know that these religions are evil and will seperate us from the love of God forever if we follow them. It is such a danger to man that God instucted the the Isralites to destroy these people and their cities because they were not of God but of Satan and part of his plan to corrupt God's creation.
We do not all worship one God, another lie from Satan. Read the Bible to know who the only true God is.
1 Timothy 6:13
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
1 Thessalonians 2:13
For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.
Sonnet, when I read your posts I know that you have the Word of God abiding in you, and I am well persuaded that you will continue to abide in the Word of God. For this reason I also thank God without ceasing, because when I receive the Word of God which I hear from you, I welcome it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which also effectively works in me who believes. Continue to witness the good confession just as Jesus Christ did before Pontius Pilate. Good job!
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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Zoroastrianism...a religion that came before Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.Derived in Persia from possible Greek influences. This is considered the FIRST actual monotheistic religion.
Zoroastrianism has its own SUPREME BEING (GOD) and its own Devil (SATAN)
Zorastrianism also has its own "Armaggeddon" (Apocalypse) and its OWN SAVIOR (like our Jesus)
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam came much later. Many theologists already agree that the THREE MAJOR RELIGIONS all took influence and thier ideas from Zoroastrianism.
I CHALLENGE anyone who is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish to GOOGLE Zoroastrianism up, then tell me your thoughts.
I'd just like to say, that this fiew is still borrowed from Ancient Egyptians. It is believed they are the firt one which tried out the idea of one God.
Ironically, it all went really wrong, so they went back to worshiping the old Gods. hah..
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I'd just like to say, that this fiew is still borrowed from Ancient Egyptians. It is believed they are the firt one which tried out the idea of one God.Ironically, it all went really wrong, so they went back to worshiping the old Gods. hah..
Originally posted by sonnet
Only problem is their one god was not the True God, the Creator, who took Israel as His people and sent us Jesus. So what is the relevance?
The relevance is, that by ''pure accident'' the first place where the idea of One God was introduced was Egypt. And accidently, Moses was in Egypt, and accidently he took his people away on the orders of One God.
Why didn't the creater send the One True God to Chinese? They seem to have been very enlightened at the time.
Or Greeks? Why didn't he send them to Greeks, or Maya civiliations? They were extreamly enlightened and progressed very well.
Egyptians were extrealy advanced, so why didn't God send his message to the civilisations which were SO advenced?
But no, for some reason God sent the prophets to all the places where people were full of suffering and ignorance.
Its just...unlikely, thats all.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The relevance is, that by ''pure accident'' the first place where the idea of One God was introduced was Egypt. And accidently, Moses was in Egypt, and accidently he took his people away on the orders of One God.Why didn't the creater send the One True God to Chinese? They seem to have been very enlightened at the time.
Or Greeks? Why didn't he send them to Greeks, or Maya civiliations? They were extreamly enlightened and progressed very well.Egyptians were extrealy advanced, so why didn't God send his message to the civilisations which were SO advenced?
But no, for some reason God sent the prophets to all the places where people were full of suffering and ignorance.
Its just...unlikely, thats all.
Originally posted by sonnet
It is such a danger to man that God instucted the the Isralites to destroy these people and their cities because they were not of God but of Satan and part of his plan to corrupt God's creation.
Genocide eh?
And kind of kicks sand in the face of free will.
God: "Yes, I gave you free will, it is on your hands to worship whatever you want."
People: "Yay! We can worship that which is relevant to us - our gods of fertility and love and music. The gods of the land and our ancestors!"
God: *Whispering* "Those people living their own lives and with there own culture are dangers to my plan. Exterminate them."
Israelites: "We obey merciful one. Consider them exterminated."
I mean really. I dislike the whole "all other religions are the product of the devil" - it doesn't seem to work.
There are religions that predate Judaism - by thousands of years. Great religions relevant to that culture. The is no devil in this. There is people - cultured, civilised people with their own identity, and in plenty of cases following religions took something from them. Christianity certainly has, as have the Jews and Muslims. And most of the rest.
And of course there is the fact there is no proof cultures prior to the Jews knew anything of the Christian God. Thus it goes against the concept God was known to them and they had turned to evil. They didn't know, and they were just living their lives.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenWell of course they all came from the same religion. Christianity, Islam and Judaism say pretty much the same thing.
Zoroastrianism...a religion that came before Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.Derived in Persia from possible Greek influences. This is considered the FIRST actual monotheistic religion.
Zoroastrianism has its own SUPREME BEING (GOD) and its own Devil (SATAN)
Zorastrianism also has its own "Armaggeddon" (Apocalypse) and its OWN SAVIOR (like our Jesus)
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam came much later. Many theologists already agree that the THREE MAJOR RELIGIONS all took influence and thier ideas from Zoroastrianism.
I CHALLENGE anyone who is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish to GOOGLE Zoroastrianism up, then tell me your thoughts.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And of course there is the fact there is no proof cultures prior to the Jews knew anything of the Christian God. Thus it goes against the concept God was known to them and they had turned to evil. They didn't know, and they were just living their lives.
😆 What a load of crap. You really need to read some stuff before you comment.