Zoroastrianism

Originally posted by Alliance
This comming form who?

Originally posted by sonnet
Yes the one True God was already in Egypt, because of the Isralites that worshipped Him there

Not unless they worshipped the sun disk, the Aten. The concept of one true god was created by the Pharaoh Akhenaten. He was the father of king Tut and the first monotheist in history. His name was originally Amenhotep before he created the Aten, and changed his name to Akhenaten. This was during the 18th dynasty, around the 1350's BC. If you want to follow typical accepted history, the pharaoh during the exodus was Rameses the 2nd, who was the third pharaoh of the 19th dynasty. Which was a number of years after the reign of Akhenaten.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Not unless they worshipped the sun disk, the Aten. The concept of one true god was created by the Pharaoh Akhenaten. He was the father of king Tut and the first monotheist in history. His name was originally Amenhotep before he created the Aten, and changed his name to Akhenaten. This was during the 18th dynasty, around the 1350's BC. If you want to follow typical accepted history, the pharaoh during the exodus was Rameses the 2nd, who was the third pharaoh of the 19th dynasty. Which was a number of years after the reign of Akhenaten.

Originally posted by sonnet
Your point being? Abraham worshipped God long before the Israelites went to Egypt. God introduced Him to Abraham as the only true God. I don't recall the Bible telling us God telling him " Here I am, your one God the sun disk" As I said before the God that created us and our universe and that were worshipped by the Isralites are not the same God as that of the Egyptions. Maybe they liked the idea of a one God and addapted, but we read that they had many idols / gods.

no one said they were the same god. We're telling you that it's coincidental that the idea of one god predates your notion that your version of one god is unique.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
no one said they were the same god. We're telling you that it's coincidental that the idea of one god predates your notion that your version of one god is unique.

Originally posted by sonnet
As God is the creator, there is no other god that can predate Him.

who said that?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
who said that?

Originally posted by sonnet
God said 'There are no other God before me" . Read His Word, you'll find out alot more about God.

I assure you, I have read the bible. 13 years in Catholic school has it's advantages when attempting to communicate with nutjobs who like to repeat themselves over and over again while saying nothing at the same time.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I assure you, I have read the bible. 13 years in Catholic school has it's advantages when attempting to communicate with nutjobs who like to repeat themselves over and over again while saying nothing at the same time.

Originally posted by sonnet
I read the Bible too while in school, but it does not mean you understood it. You can only understand the full spiritual meaning when your spirit has been reborn through salvation through Jesus Christ. And it does not all happen in a flash. The Bible says in the beginning we are like babies that need milk, meaning that we understand little bits because we take in little bits but as we grow spiritually the Word and its full meaning opens up to our spirits and we are able to comprehend. So according to God you did not know His word.

That's nice. But after 13 years, it failed to grow on me. I'm not a big fan of milk.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Zoroastrianism...a religion that came before Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

Derived in Persia from possible Greek influences. This is considered the FIRST actual monotheistic religion.

Zoroastrianism has its own SUPREME BEING (GOD) and its own Devil (SATAN)

Zorastrianism also has its own "Armaggeddon" (Apocalypse) and its OWN SAVIOR (like our Jesus)

Christianity, Judaism, and Islam came much later. Many theologists already agree that the THREE MAJOR RELIGIONS all took influence and thier ideas from Zoroastrianism.

I CHALLENGE anyone who is Christian, Muslim, or Jewish to GOOGLE Zoroastrianism up, then tell me your thoughts.

Zoroastrianism is derived from the Aryan religion, it began somewhere around the 9th century BCE. Given this, the Hebrew religion is older. Influences from Zoroastrians are a fact though and no one can deny that.

The wise men from the east were most probably Zoroastrian priests, particularly given the title Magi used in the New Testament.

Zoroastrians are the only members of other religions mentioned in the Bible that are commended rather than condemned by the Lord. Cyrus, definitely a Zoroastrian, in the Old Testament book of Isaiah is referred to by Jehovah as his "anointed" and "my shepherd," an instrument in his hands for performing his will (Isa. 45:1, 44:28).

Esther in the Bible married the Zoroastrian king Ahasuerus. This king saved Mordecai, the prophet, an event still celebrated by the Jews with the feast of Purim.

The Avesta describes a spiritual creation followed by a physical one. Zoroastrians hold that man existed as an intelligent spirit prior to being born. These beliefs as well as many others are in line with LDS [Mormon] beliefs.

Mormons believe that God speaks to all men. It is not a conflict or surprise that the Zoroastrians were in line with what we believe, and that they may have taught the Hebrews various aspects of truth and religion.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well of course they all came from the same religion. Christianity, Islam and Judaism say pretty much the same thing.

Thats true, but if you look at the three major religions and then at Zoroastrianism, you will find the same ideas. They all had their own Prophets, people who brought them, holy books, and all worship one god.

Originally posted by cunfuzzzled
Could any of you tell me anywhere else you got your information? I'm writing a paper on which religion came first, Judaism or Zoroastrianism, and so far have found nothing on the subject. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Here are some of the texts I have read on the subject of Zoroastrianism:

Man, Soul, Immortality in Zoroastrianism - Dastur Framroze Bode

A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism - Mary Boyce

Zoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices - Not sure who wrote it, a friend of mine had the text

Symbols and Values in Zoroastrianism: Their Survival and Renewal - Jaques Duchesne-Guillemin

The Passing Away of Asho Zarathustra: A Treatise Based on Available Sources in Avesta, Pahlavi, Arabic, and Persian Scripture - Ali A. Jafarey

Zarathustra: The Transcendental Vision - P.D. Mehta

Zoroastrianism: A Beleaguered Faith - Cyrus R. Pangborn

The Zoroastrian Doctrine of a Future Life: From Death to the Individual Judgement - Jal Dastur Cursetji Pavry

The Teachings of the Magi: A Compendium of Zoroastrian Beliefs - Robert C. Zaehner

On the topic of Zoroastrian sacred texts:

Textual Sources for the Study of Zoroastrianism - Mary Boyce

The Hymns of Zarathustra: Being a Translation of the Gathas Together with Introduction and Commentary - Jacques Duchesne-Guillemin

The Gathas of Zarathustra - S. Insler

A Study of the Five Zarathustrian (Zoroastrian) Gathas with Texts and Translations - Lawrence Mills

Originally posted by Regret
Zoroastrianism is derived from the Aryan religion, it began somewhere around the 9th century BCE. Given this, the Hebrew religion is older. Influences from Zoroastrians are a fact though and no one can deny that.

The wise men from the east were most probably Zoroastrian priests, particularly given the title Magi used in the New Testament.

Zoroastrians are the only members of other religions mentioned in the Bible that are commended rather than condemned by the Lord. Cyrus, definitely a Zoroastrian, in the Old Testament book of Isaiah is referred to by Jehovah as his "anointed" and "my shepherd," an instrument in his hands for performing his will (Isa. 45:1, 44:28).

Esther in the Bible married the Zoroastrian king Ahasuerus. This king saved Mordecai, the prophet, an event still celebrated by the Jews with the feast of Purim.

The Avesta describes a spiritual creation followed by a physical one. Zoroastrians hold that man existed as an intelligent spirit prior to being born. These beliefs as well as many others are in line with LDS [Mormon] beliefs.

Mormons believe that God speaks to all men. It is not a conflict or surprise that the Zoroastrians were in line with what we believe, and that they may have taught the Hebrews various aspects of truth and religion.

Actually, Zoroastrianism's true date of origin is uncertain...some scholars beleive it was 600 B.C. while others beleive it was 7000 BC.

It definately had its influence on Christianity and Islam, without a doubt. However, it had large coincidenses with Judaism, and keep in mind that Judaism's true date of origin is ALSO uncertain. 5000 B.C. is only an estimate we have, and not automatic fact.

There is much evidense to show that Zoroastrianism began when the Greeks of Alexander's army were stuck in the regions between Afghanistan and Persia, and a mix of thier mythologies created the new religion, Zoroastrianism.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Actually, Zoroastrianism's true date of origin is uncertain...some scholars beleive it was 600 B.C. while others beleive it was 7000 BC.

It definately had its influence on Christianity and Islam, without a doubt. However, it had large coincidenses with Judaism, and keep in mind that Judaism's true date of origin is ALSO uncertain. 5000 B.C. is only an estimate we have, and not automatic fact.

There is much evidense to show that Zoroastrianism began when the Greeks of Alexander's army were stuck in the regions between Afghanistan and Persia, and a mix of thier mythologies created the new religion, Zoroastrianism.

Originally posted by Regret
Doesn't matter, as to religion everyone picks which facts are accurate and which are not. Regardless of which facts are true and which are not, everyone will only believe the ones that fit their beliefs. Pushing the earlier date is only your method of supporting your beliefs.

How so? I don't beleive in Zoroastrianism ❌

It's all mythology to me...that religion, and yours.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How so? I don't beleive in Zoroastrianism ❌

It's all mythology to me...that religion, and yours.

But is everytthing motivated by a simple desire to be right?

I don't think that is true.

Originally posted by Alliance
But is everytthing motivated by a simple desire to be right?

I don't think that is true.

Originally posted by Regret
Your post supports your attack on the Bible, and Christianity, which you believe to be mythology. Your belief is supported by the later date. Given this, you push the earlier date to support your belief.

Uh NO...go back and read.

There is NO certain date for the origins of Zoroastrianism, just like there is NO certain date for Judaism.