Originally posted by Sam Z
You judge by the gameplay only? Sorry but i can 100% insure you that Jinpachi wont win the tournament and since Tekken 1 all the time winners of the tournaments were Mishimas so Jinpachi WILL lose even though he has teleportation and can fire from a distance, so no, it isn't a big deal.
First of all jinpaichi's ki manipulation is lame. he has never demonstrated anything close to hayabusa in ki.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Neither did you.
You only mentioned guys he beat and mentioned all his powers, that's all.
I did the same. .
Maybe you can't read so here.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Here we go again, I know teleportation isn't a big deal that's why I said combined with his ki manipulation it's a threat.
Originally posted by Sam Z
It does. In h2h fight Kazuya have good chances of winning and with devil powers he becomes stronger so that DOES makes his chances better and makes Ryu's chances less. It's simple logic.
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That would make sense if kazuya was as good as ryu.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Firstly i believe we already agreed that this is NO weapons fight because it would make no sense. Second, now you say "the only reason why Ryu won", so how can you say he is more powerfull if he partly won only because of his weapon? And you DID said that Ogre is weaker coz he can't create universes. So it was your lame logic.
Ogre is lame because he doesn't have any feats except killing people.
And second I change the rules cause I started this thread, third "I said the only reason why he beat vigor" because he had the dark dragon blade which makes him have infinite strength.
Originally posted by Sam Z
It takes Kazuya ONLY to look at the target to hit it with TK, I don't know what on earth makes you think that Ryu is faster than Kazuya's look. Even with teleportation Kazuya has enough good reflexes to keep Ryu in focus. So all this dodging TK thing makes no sense sorry.
Yes it does make sense because ryu has dodge tk that is better then kazuya, alma's tk could effect an entire area show me proof kazuya can do that.
Originally posted by Sam Z
You haven't explained anything, all you said i countered and explained why it wont work.You call me a fanboy, ok. I didn't want to waste my time but you made me. So here we go.
What i said sounded like that:
Jin alone can defeat Ryu, it means he can lose but also can win. And with Kazuya or Heihachi assistance Ryu wouldn't stang a chance to win.
what you said sounded like that:
Ryu alone beats: Kazuya, Jin, Heihachi, Hwoarang, Baek, Brayan, Lin, Julia, Nina, Anna, Christy, Eddie, Miharu, Marshal, Forest, Paul, Ogre, Jinpachy, all Gunjacks, Murdock, King, Steve, Rodgr, Rodger junoir, Gon, Lei, Lee, Yoshi, Raven, Bruce, Asuka, Feng, Ganryu, Mokujin, Kuma, Wang, Armor King, Kunimitsu, Michele, Jun and Combat.
You were right, there IS a fanboy among us two, but guess what? It's defenetly NOT me. And anyone who know those characters would agree with me.
Don't even bother replying on this coz all this fanboy talk ain't getting you anywhere and only proves that I'm right...
You are a fanboy, because you haven't given reasons why they win and you make stuff up "Kazuya's tk is like wind" !?
I listed how strong ryu is
Originally posted by Blue nocturne[B] Dead Or Alive 2
Ryu defeating Gohyakumine Bankotsu-bo (Tengu) by himself with ease(That's a huge feat)Gohyakumine Bankotsu-bo feats:
-Opening a rift inbetween dimensions.
-Cause natural disasters around the world at once.
-Covering the world with his own chaotic power.
- He can create Huge whirlwinds.
-Fly.
-Change the weather and seasons.Ryu won the whole Doa tournament and then fought him.
Dead Or Alive 4
Ryu was attacked by 3 highly advanced aircraft that, these aircraft were armed with state of the art weaponsHe beat them without even trying
Ryu's abilities :
Teleportation
Firing huge ki blast
Survive falling great heights
Cut through metal
Sense KiMind you he really doesn't get much showings in Doa.
[/B]
And why he wins, so you are a fanboy.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne🤨 He doesn't use ki to teleport and to fire but demon powers, he doesn't need ki to do things Ryu did, so all you said makes no sense.
First of all jinpaichi's ki manipulation is lame. he has never demonstrated anything close to hayabusa in ki.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneMaybe you can't read so here.
😬 proves only that you don't see what posts are for what. I already explained why telportation even combined with KI isn't a threat but instead of countering that you brought some old post that wasn't even a reply for that. So you ignored me...
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
That would make sense if kazuya was as good as ryu.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneOgre is lame because he doesn't have any feats except killing people.
And second I change the rules cause I started this thread, third "I said the only reason why he beat vigor" because he had the dark dragon blade which makes him have infinite strength.
No, Ogre is lame because he never created universes, thats what you said before... 🙄
So may be you should change the rule and say that Sam Z isn't allowed at this thread anymore? You changed them only after i explained to you that making this fight with weapons is stupid.
And yes. you said "the only reason" and it means that he wouldn't have beaten vigoor if he hadn't it BUT then you said that Ryu is above Gods anyway... I don't get you sometimes.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneI don't know what shitty TK alma has but Ryu can't move faster than Kazuya looks especially if Kazuya flies in the air and has a big range of look. And he don't have to effect entire area to look at Ryu, and once he does, Ryu would be done.
Yes it does make sense because ryu has dodge tk that is better then kazuya, alma's tk could effect an entire area show me proof kazuya can do that.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You are a fanboy, because you haven't given reasons why they win and you make stuff up "Kazuya's tk is like wind" !?
That was just an example for you to understand, it means you can't dodge what doesn't actually moves toward you. Kazuya looks, TK works. And i never made anything up.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I listed how strong ryu is
I listed how Kazuya strong is too.
I said he
-can fly
- has TK
- laser shot
- strong enough to melt metal and meter thick walls with his "lightest" punches.
I also said his feats but you don't read my posts and prefere to think that i don't bring anything.
- he survived fall in the vulcano
- he survived fall from tall cliff at the age of five and climbed back up (so that Ryu's "feat" is just hillarious"😉
Since we talk about other Tekken characters to I'll bring some Heihachi feats too. He survived explosion that would kill any mortal DOA character. He was lieing for three weeks under tonnes of stones but than freed himself and went to participate in new tournament.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneAnd why he wins, so you are a fanboy.
I explained everything just as you did, and you NEVER explained why Ryu wins, all you teleportation and ki staff i countered and explained why it wont work but you pretended you haven't seen it.
And for God's sake don't call me a fanboy because it is clearly that YOU are one. We both gave feates and all you said i countered but when you said Ryu beats all Tekken characters it became really obvious that you are a fanboy. I only said Jin can beat Ryu. So don't call me that coz it only proves that you are a fanboy who deny it by calling other people so.
Originally posted by shin_remy
yo blue nocturethis is useless, tekken fanboys won't read your posts!! they keep ignoring them. ( Sam Z )
No, unlike Sf fanboys i read posts and counter them and i don't say "OMG Ryu pwnes all he outclasses all characters from the game that ever existed!!!" (Shin Ramy)
I honostly was thinking better of you...
Originally posted by Sam Z
🤨 He doesn't use ki to teleport and to fire but demon powers, he doesn't need ki to do things Ryu did, so all you said makes no sense.
Ki is energy, demons in japanese myth have higher ki and use demonic ki so your wrong.
Originally posted by Sam Z
😬 proves only that you don't see what posts are for what. I already explained why telportation even combined with KI isn't a threat but instead of countering that you brought some old post that wasn't even a reply for that. So you ignored me...
I didn't ignore you, you just reffered to jinpaichi's teleportation and ki projectiles to critique hayabusa's and I told you that hayabusa has more impressive ki and jinpaichi isn't hayabusa.
Originally posted by Sam Z
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👆 Yeah you prove everything. You say Ryu is better and so we are done... 🙄 yes, you are a fanboy.
Just using the same argument you do, fanboy.
Originally posted by Sam Z
No, Ogre is lame because he never created universes, thats what you said before... 🙄
No I said ogre isn't a real god because he didn't creat universe's, quote me on that.
Originally posted by Sam Z
So may be you should change the rule and say that Sam Z isn't allowed at this thread anymore? You changed them only after i explained to you that making this fight with weapons is stupid.
Actually I said it because superboy prime thought they had weapons.
Originally posted by Sam Z
And yes. you said "the only reason" and it means that he wouldn't have beaten vigoor if he hadn't it BUT then you said that Ryu is above Gods anyway... I don't get you sometimes.
I said he's above them if they don't have the dark dragon blade big difference.
Originally posted by Sam Z
I don't know what shitty TK alma has but Ryu can't move faster than Kazuya looks especially if Kazuya flies in the air and has a big range of look. And he don't have to effect entire area to look at Ryu, and once he does, Ryu would be done.
And again fanboy I asked you to explain kazuya's tk's range, you just ignore it you said before "It's like wind and you can't dodge wind"
So where's the proof it has range like that post fanboy.
Originally posted by Sam Z
That was just an example for you to understand, it means you can't dodge what doesn't actually moves toward you. Kazuya looks, TK works. And i never made anything up.
Then post proof, you said it's like wind so where's the proof, and now if he stares at you it works so post proof.
Originally posted by Sam Z
I listed how Kazuya strong is too.
I said he
-can fly
- has TK
- laser shot
- strong enough to melt metal and meter thick walls with his "lightest" punches.I also said his feats but you don't read my posts and prefere to think that i don't bring anything.
- he survived fall in the vulcano
- he survived fall from tall cliff at the age of five and climbed back up (so that Ryu's "feat" is just hillarious"😉Since we talk about other Tekken characters to I'll bring some Heihachi feats too. He survived explosion that would kill any mortal DOA character. He was lieing for three weeks under tonnes of stones but than freed himself and went to participate in new tournament.
I read your post but now explain how he would win, not just his powers
Originally posted by Sam Z
I explained everything just as you did, and you NEVER explained why Ryu wins, all you teleportation and ki staff i countered and explained why it wont work but you pretended you haven't seen it.
I adressed are you blind?!
You compared it to jinpaichi and I told you ryu has superior ki manipulation then jinpaichi so how did I ignore it?!
Originally posted by Sam Z
And for God's sake don't call me a fanboy because it is clearly that YOU are one. We both gave feates and all you said i countered but when you said Ryu beats all Tekken characters it became really obvious that you are a fanboy. I only said Jin can beat Ryu. So don't call me that coz it only proves that you are a fanboy who deny it by calling other people so.
Your a fan boy because you refuse to say why tekken would win.
Originally posted by Sam Z
No, unlike Sf fanboys i read posts and counter them and i don't say "OMG Ryu pwnes all he outclasses all characters from the game that ever existed!!!" (Shin Ramy)
I honostly was thinking better of you...
Yoy sure do
Originally posted by Sam Z
. There is no need for prove that one of the strongest Tekken characters would beat many DOA characters among whom there are MUCH less impressive than Ryu.
i read posts!!
i have readed all blue noctures posts, youre posts and darkstorm zero's posts
and sorry you DO ignore posts, Blue Nocture have repeated himself a couple of times, he and DZ told enough reasons why Doa would win. and you keep saying that Tekken wins but never HOW??
you keep saying that who beat who.
Your a fan boy because you refuse to say why tekken would win!!
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ki is energy, demons in japanese myth have higher ki and use demonic ki so your wrong.
Myth is a good thing but do you have proofs that Jinpachi's powers work the same way as character's powers from myth? No, so no need for excuses, you simply didn't knew he is a demon.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneHere again, when i said you ignored me ity wasn't a reply for Jinpachi powers, you ignored me when i explained why these tricks wont work with Kazuya and again all you assuptions on greater ki you can't prove because you can't even prove Jinpachi uses ki.
I didn't ignore you, you just reffered to jinpaichi's teleportation and ki projectiles to critique hayabusa's and I told you that hayabusa has more impressive ki and jinpaichi isn't hayabusa.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneJust using the same argument you do, fanboy.
Yeah right 🙄 Same argument... I never said Jin beats all DOA characters, got it now, fanboy?
Originally posted by Blue nocturneNo I said ogre isn't a real god because he didn't creat universe's, quote me on that.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneActually I said it because superboy prime thought they had weapons.
Yeah whatever 🙄
Originally posted by Blue nocturneInfinite health or energy or whatever was that... Yes, big differance.I said he's above them if they don't have the dark dragon blade big difference.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And again fanboy I asked you to explain kazuya's tk's range, you just ignore it you said before "It's like wind and you can't dodge wind"So where's the proof it has range like that post fanboy.
Then post proof, you said it's like wind so where's the proof, and now if he stares at you it works so post proof.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneThank you!!!! I highly appreciate that you FINALLY payed attention to what i already explained to you like 7 pages ago.👆
I read your post but now explain how he would win, not just his powers
Originally posted by Blue nocturneYeah you adressed it to my old post that had nothing to do with it, so it is you who must be blind. Do I really have to go through it over and again why this wont work on Kazuya?I adressed are you blind?!
You compared it to jinpaichi and I told you ryu has superior ki manipulation then jinpaichi so how did I ignore it?!
Originally posted by Blue nocturneYour a fan boy because you refuse to say why tekken would win.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Yoy sure do
Yeah... no differance between "Paul is stronger than majority in fight one on one" and "Ryu beats them all at the same time." 🙄
Originally posted by Blue nocturne👆
That's it pfft, ryu owns him what can true ogre do?
Originally posted by Blue nocturne👆
Too bad for tekken, you mean he would curbstomp all of them.😆
Enough man, don't embarrass yourself by calling me fanboy after such posts of yours.
Tell me why I'm a fanboy? Because I think that Jin stands a chance against Ryu? Or because you ignore my posts about feats?
You know why you are a fanboy? Because you honostly believe that Ryu alone beats all of them at the same time among whom there are Jin, Kazuya, Heihachi, Brayan that destroyes tanks with his bare hands, not with ki, but bare hands. (so those aircrafts seem like a joke) and 30 simillar characters, that's one of the worst cases of fanboyism I've ever seen. Worse only Wolverine fanboys.
Originally posted by shin_remy
i read posts!!i have readed all blue noctures posts, youre posts and darkstorm zero's posts
and sorry you DO ignore posts, Blue Nocture have repeated himself a couple of times, he and DZ told enough reasons why Doa would win. and you keep saying that Tekken wins but never HOW??
you keep saying that who beat who.Your a fan boy because you refuse to say why tekken would win!!
Sorry but seem you read only their posts. I explained it like 20 time many pages ago but Blue Nacturne keeps ignoring me and many my posts and say that i didn't, and you simply repeat his words. If you really was reading my post you would've noticed that many pages ago.
You know, it really offence when guy who thinks that Ryu is stronger than Raiden and thinks that Ryu can KO Juggernaut calls ME fanboy...
For the record Kazuya did not survive being thrown into a volcano. He was dead. Gone. if it wasn't for G-tech(wonder if that's the corporation's name) he would have remained dead. Don't twist the facts to your advantage.
And by the way getting thrown off a cliff and getting cleaved in half by the dark dragon blade are 2 very different things, and seriously the cliff isn't the impressive feat of the 2 to be honest. Yeah he was 5, but then he sold his soul to the Devil in order to climb back up.
I hate arguing about my favorite Tekken char, but I guess there's no other way.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
why do people always say that, tekken has parries also wtf?!And stupid moves like lee's infinite kicks doesn't make tekken broken?
only certain people can parry in tekken 5... many can parry only 1 particular type of attack... all DoA characters can parry all attacks
lee's infinite kicks suck... one jab and problem solved... hell.. even a sidestep
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
For the record Kazuya did not survive being thrown into a volcano. He was dead. Gone. if it wasn't for G-tech(wonder if that's the corporation's name) he would have remained dead. Don't twist the facts to your advantage.
It's G corporation. I wanna see them bringing back to life someone else... that would be very interesting. The only reason he still leaves now is his devil powers, they wouldn't be able to make any other human live after that so i don't twist anything. Noone else could've lived after that fall so yes, he survived.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
And by the way getting thrown off a cliff and getting cleaved in half by the dark dragon blade are 2 very different things, and seriously the cliff isn't the impressive feat of the 2 to be honest. Yeah he was 5, but then he sold his soul to the Devil in order to climb back up.
Falling from cliff was a reply for Ryu's feat "surviving fall from great hights" not being cut, and it was at age of 5, yes. And he climbed back NOT because he sold soul, he sold it to make sure he 100% succeed in his revange to Heihachi, he climbed the cliff on his own, actually that was Heihachi's big plan. He knew his son is too strong to die because of the fall so he thew him to make Kazuya evil (Kazuya seemed to kind for him)
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I hate arguing about my favorite Tekken char, but I guess there's no other way.
No problem with that. Support your opinion, that's what forums are for.
That's just a theory you have. There's no evidence suggesting they only brought Kazuya back to life because of the Devil Gene. Even then it doesn't prove anything since he did not return to life by his own means.
He did sell his soul in order to climb back up and get revenge on Heihachi. He got the revenge, but it wasn't 100% as we can all see since Heihachi did not die and actually came back to put him out of action for 20 years.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
That's just a theory you have. There's no evidence suggesting they only brought Kazuya back to life because of the Devil Gene. Even then it doesn't prove anything since he did not return to life by his own means.
I don't see any other logical explanation. Even in Tekken universe where unbelievable things happen no other human returned from the dead. Even Bryan who died is just a cyborg. Yes, you can say that he was helped and you can say we mustn't call that "survived" but give him credit for being alive NOW even though G corporation had to do something with this. And that is not a theory, even in Kazuya's intro said that G corporation was exploring devil gene inside of him.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
He did sell his soul in order to climb back up and get revenge on Heihachi. He got the revenge, but it wasn't 100% as we can all see since Heihachi did not die and actually came back to put him out of action for 20 years.
Kazuya wasn't lieing in vulcano for twenty years, they found him there earlier but all the time he was in the corporation, they were studying him.
And there is no proof that he sold the soul before he climbed up. He just was close to death for all that time that's why he managed to sell the soul. But he did climbed back not because of that, even Heihachi new he would survive for sure, so being possesed by the devil was an insuarance to beat Heihachi.
True they said they were studying the Devil gene, so I will take a step back and admit your theory is true. However my point still stands he did not return by his own means. In fact he was just a corpse when they caught him and reanimated him--evidenced by the picture of Kazuya's corpse Heihachi found prior to Tekken 4.
I know he wasn't in the volcano for twenty years, but he was out of action. He was lurking in the shadows waiting for his time to strike. In my opinion that's being out of action for 20 years given he was doing nothing to Heihachi or the Mishima Zaibatsu.