Great talking to you Samo, it's been swell debating with a 'Failed Debator'.
Later!
Heh, I havn't ignored the evidence, and I already admitted one mistake, I made them about the clothes, so you failed in both categories. Put up, or shut up.
Yes, lets wait for Tekken 6, and If i'm wrong, I'll eat my own left testicle.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Great talking to you Samo, it's been swell debating with a 'Failed Debator'.Later!
Heh, I havn't ignored the evidence, and I already admitted one mistake, I made them about the clothes, so you failed in both categories. Put up, or shut up.
Yes, lets wait for Tekken 6, and If i'm wrong, I'll eat my own left testicle.
Yeah ok, and just for laughs check that grab of ordinary jin in tekken 5, it's square + x, who knows may be you'll be honest with yourself and admitt your second mistake and realise you failed in ALL categories.
Ahahahahaaa! your using that in comparison to the Lightning Godfist in order to disprove my theory?
All that means is that he's reusing that technique, a technique he shares with only ONE other Mishima and both Devils (Which are infact just two characters, Jin and Kazuya).
Whereas the Lightning Godfist is used by ALL Mishima's from Jin through Kazuya and Heihachi all the way up to Jinpachi, and both Devil and Devil Jin use it too.
And, added to that, lets check the cronological order of the move in question; Jin had the Lightning Godfist in Tekken 3, He loses it in 4 because he unlearns Mishima Ryu, Now according to you he suddenly regains it for DW (Which, going by your theory takes place bitween tekken's 4 and 5), then he suddenly loses it again for Tekken 5.
That is a big inconsistency, please explain this and for gods sake have evidence this time.
Anyways, since you so much want to have the final word without posting any supportive evidence, I'm more than wasting my time on this... But be warned, every time you bring up DW as a canon source in any other debate, and I see it, I will point you back to this thread and your utter failure to produce proof. I have not failed any category, you however have broken every rule of a debate.
You have been warned.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ahahahahaaa! your using that in comparison to the Lightning Godfist in order to disprove my theory?All that means is that he's reusing that technique, a technique he shares with only ONE other Mishima and both Devils (Which are infact just two characters, Jin and Kazuya).
Whereas the Lightning Godfist is used by ALL Mishima's from Jin through Kazuya and Heihachi all the way up to Jinpachi, and both Devil and Devil Jin use it too.
And, added to that, lets check the cronological order of the move in question; Jin had the Lightning Godfist in Tekken 3, He loses it in 4 because he unlearns Mishima Ryu, Now according to you he suddenly regains it for DW (Which, going by your theory takes place bitween tekken's 4 and 5), then he suddenly loses it again for Tekken 5.
That is a big inconsistency, please explain this and for gods sake have evidence this time.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Anyways, since you so much want to have the final word without posting any supportive evidence, I'm more than wasting my time on this... But be warned, every time you bring up DW as a canon source in any other debate, and I see it, I will point you back to this thread and your utter failure to produce proof. I have not failed any category, you however have broken every rule of a debate.You have been warned.
Originally posted by Sam Z
👆 Now you are going to point that Heihachi doesn't has that grab and it explains everything.
So Jin had that grab in tekken 3, in tekken 4 he is not using it and in tekken 5 he got that grab again and by your logic it proves that story mode is not canon. And after that you want explabnations from me, my explanation is simple, this is just an ordinaty attack that even used by roger jr. and using one moves is not the same as using entire fighting style so it proves NOTHING, so now it is your turn to explain, why one move from tekken 3 in DW proves that it is not canon but one move from tekken 3 in story mode does not proves that it is not canon? Good luck with that.You'll point me back at this thread to get embarassed again? You warning doesn't worth a **** since the only thinng you've done here was getting all you theories crushed like they wetre nothing. I WILL be using DW like it or not and if you really feel like you want more, be my guest anytime. After all you ARE failed and it is NOT about Devil Within but simply about your debating "skills". Ogre's death? Failed to prove. Clothes? Failed again. Technique? Doesn't matter if you want to admitt it or not but failed HORRIBLY.
Think about that next time you'll want to point me at this thread and before you'll think of saying something about "debating rules".
You've not crushed a thing, the ***** Kicks grab is not a staplemark of the Mishima Ryu like the Lightning Godfist is. And I am still not getting where your pulling your socalled logic from.
Reusing an old technique is nothing new, but misplacing a technique for a frigging side game that according to you is cannon, is just stupid and you know it, your desperation is more evident now than it ever was.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You've not crushed a thing, the ***** Kicks grab is not a staplemark of the Mishima Ryu like the Lightning Godfist is. And I am still not getting where your pulling your socalled logic from.Reusing an old technique is nothing new, but misplacing a technique for a frigging side game that according to you is cannon, is just stupid and you know it, your desperation is more evident now than it ever was.
Atleast my socalled logic makes sense, Kuma has same attack as heihachi, step forward and uppercought, does he use mishima fighting style? No. Anna williams has spinning kick like marshal law, does she use jeet kun do? No. Roger jr makes the same jumping uppercought, does he fights in mishima style? HELL NO! Obviously you never studied any martial art, making one attack is NOT the sama as using entire fighting style with HUNDREDS attacks in it. And that you don't see my logic it is only your problem because you built this freaking theory about one attack from tekken 3 - is a proof of game being not canon, so now you'll have to live with it.
And for someone who doesn't like "running circles" you act strange because you force me to repeat myself, the funny thing is that it was me who suggested to stop this useless discussion and wait for tekken 6 but Darkstorm zero always feels like saying the last word,and you know i wouldn't mind that if you simply said something like "we will see" but you keep posting your old falls arguments and point me that you are actually proud of them and expect me not to respone. You don't want to admitt that you horribly failed? Fine. But at least don't pretend you haven't.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Atleast my socalled logic makes sense, Kuma has same attack as heihachi, step forward and uppercought, does he use mishima fighting style? No. Anna williams has spinning kick like marshal law, does she use jeet kun do? No. Roger jr makes the same jumping uppercought, does he fights in mishima style? HELL NO! Obviously you never studied any martial art, making one attack is NOT the sama as using entire fighting style with HUNDREDS attacks in it. And that you don't see my logic it is only your problem because you built this freaking theory about one attack from tekken 3 - is a proof of game being not canon, so now you'll have to live with it.
And for someone who doesn't like "running circles" you act strange because you force me to repeat myself, the funny thing is that it was me who suggested to stop this useless discussion and wait for tekken 6 but Darkstorm zero always feels like saying the last word,and you know i wouldn't mind that if you simply said something like "we will see" but you keep posting your old falls arguments and point me that you are actually proud of them and expect me not to respone. You don't want to admitt that you horribly failed? Fine. But at least don't pretend you haven't.
Wrong uppercut for starters..... and Kuma was taught by Heihachi for a time, so it's natural that Kuma would use at least some of the techniques he was taught, for the simple reason that Kuma holds nothing personal against Heihachi like Jin does.
I already explained how Roger Jr.s technique is different from the Mishima's technique... apparently you like to ignore points being made...
A spinning kick is not a staplemark technique, so your argument holds no water.
And as for stopping the argument, I suggested that before, you kept going, and I even bet on my left testicle if I was proven wrong, apparently you didn't catch that either so... *Shrugs*
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wrong uppercut for starters..... and Kuma was taught by Heihachi for a time, so it's natural that Kuma would use at least some of the techniques he was taught, for the simple reason that Kuma holds nothing personal against Heihachi like Jin does.I already explained how Roger Jr.s technique is different from the Mishima's technique... apparently you like to ignore points being made...
A spinning kick is not a staplemark technique, so your argument holds no water.
And as for stopping the argument, I suggested that before, you kept going, and I even bet on my left testicle if I was proven wrong, apparently you didn't catch that either so... *Shrugs*
Kuma uses same uppercought as heihachi performed by pressing forward forward triangle, and it doesn't matter if Heihachi taught him because by your logic it means Kuma fights in mishima fighting style, only because of one move. Unlike you i didn't ignore your point about Roger, and the only difference in his attack is that his hand is shorter, but he also performs jumping uppercought that according to you is trademark mishima technique. And the most important thing you failed to explain is that Jin uses attack from tekken 3 even during story mode and according to your logic it proves story mode is not canon, and i say that one move that is just a simple attack that can be used in any martial art doesn't mean that he uses mishima style and doesn't prove that DW is not canon, because if it does then it also proves that story mode is not canon. Try thinking which argument makes sense. And as for stopping, funny but you only was pointing me to stop when i was asking you to explain your technique argument, but what the hell...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
In order for devil within to be canon, their must be official word from namco stating so. if devil within is canon, then we can assume tekken force is canon as well.
Ok, me and DZ agreed we'll wait for tekken 6 to find out for sure and if it turns I was wrong I'll admitt it. The only reasons i think it is canon because in it's story it was said that these events are happening after Heihachi was attacked and in Jin's intro it's said about journey so i simply see connection between story mode and DW, besides of right clothes and right technique, but if somehow dispite ALL that it will turn that I'm still wrong as I said before I'll admitt my mistake.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Ok, me and DZ agreed we'll wait for tekken 6 to find out for sure and if it turns I was wrong I'll admitt it. The only reasons i think it is canon because in it's story it was said that these events are happening after Heihachi was attacked and in Jin's intro it's said about journey so i simply see connection between story mode and DW, besides of right clothes and right technique, but if somehow dispite ALL that it will turn that I'm still wrong as I said before I'll admitt my mistake.
I don't remeber any tekken minigame being confirmed as canon, if you were correct then tekken force would have been verifyed as canon by now.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't remeber any tekken minigame being confirmed as canon, if you were correct then tekken force would have been verifyed as canon by now.
Don't compare tekken force and DW, because
1) In tekken force you could've played as any character and it automatically means that it is not some certain story.
2) There is no story in tekken force.
3) Story of DW is connected to story mode and it's said that it is happening after Heihachi was attacked(after tekken 4).
4) In DW we play as hero of tekken games and his intro confirms that he went to a "journey" after the end of tekken 4 and this clearly happened before tekken 5 so it's fair to assume that DW is the journey intro talks about.
But again, IF despite ALL that I'll still be wrong I'll admitt my mistake, ok? Sounds fair to you?
Eh, i'm tired of the thing between Jin and Ryu, they are both cheap if they use their better techniques from mini games and/or games they have of their own. I say keep them out and let the others get at it.
Ling vs Lei Fang
Nina vs Christie
King vs Bass
Marduk vs Bayman
Asuka vs Kokorro
Wang vs Gen Fu
Law vs Jan Lee
Raven vs Hayate
Christie vs Lisa
Just to name a few lol
DOA is a joke...
The movie sux, the games suck, one of you please notify me when a DOA game even surpasses the scores or fun a tekken game gets excluding Tekken 4, even Tekken ppl are ashamed to associate Tekken 4 as part of the Tekken franchise cos it was DOA qaulity, sucky.
DOA is way too easy, only has girls as the main interest and has no plot nor depth, the creators don't know a thing about fighting, thus the reason why half of the moves and fighting styles are made up, at least Namco did its research.
You can easyily put a character to gether from Tekken to an existing person, Lei as Jackie Chan, Law as Bruce Lee, wanna know why Tekken beats DOA? It cannot be compared to the rubbish DOA is, DOA needs Volley Ball and sexy girls to get status, Tekken is based off of real fighters in the world, reality check people "real fighters" not dragon ball z crap, cos if you wanna compare the rubbish in DOA to something more like it, compare it to Dragon Ball Z, and you know DBZ characters win hands down, one blast from Goku would kill not only all DOA characters, but the entire planet 🙂
There ya go, argument resolved, Tekken wins 🙂
Edit: Ryu is the only cool character in DOA. The humour is cheezy, the girls (virtual) are never are just 3D hentai, and the fighting is the most easy and crappy thing to learn 🙁 Where is the sense of achievement?
Originally posted by Pulse2
one of you please notify me when a DOA game even surpasses the scores or fun a tekken game
I enjoy DOA4, whats wrong with that? Why should we notify you on games we like, shouldn't it be all based on your own opinion? Thus you should find out for yourself.
So Namco based their characters on real people, very original. The reason I play video games is to get away from real life. Plus I don't really care if they are just made up moves or what not, I still get to kick the crap out of them.
Originally posted by Pulse2
DOA is a joke...The movie sux, the games suck, one of you please notify me when a DOA game even surpasses the scores or fun a tekken game gets excluding Tekken 4, even Tekken ppl are ashamed to associate Tekken 4 as part of the Tekken franchise cos it was DOA qaulity, sucky.
DOA is way too easy, only has girls as the main interest and has no plot nor depth, the creators don't know a thing about fighting, thus the reason why half of the moves and fighting styles are made up, at least Namco did its research.
You can easyily put a character to gether from Tekken to an existing person, Lei as Jackie Chan, Law as Bruce Lee, wanna know why Tekken beats DOA? It cannot be compared to the rubbish DOA is, DOA needs Volley Ball and sexy girls to get status, Tekken is based off of real fighters in the world, reality check people "real fighters" not dragon ball z crap, cos if you wanna compare the rubbish in DOA to something more like it, compare it to Dragon Ball Z, and you know DBZ characters win hands down, one blast from Goku would kill not only all DOA characters, but the entire planet 🙂
There ya go, argument resolved, Tekken wins 🙂
Edit: Ryu is the only cool character in DOA. The humour is cheezy, the girls (virtual) are never are just 3D hentai, and the fighting is the most easy and crappy thing to learn 🙁 Where is the sense of achievement?
Argument resolved? All you did was give half assed reasons of why you don't like the game. By the way did you just say DOA imitates DBZ and DBZ crushes reality...the same reality Tekken is based on? Wow. And you think you resolved the debate? Well if you say so. As for Tekken having Jackie Chan and Law as Bruce Lee...that's called lack of originality.
Whats original about having Ki blasts and girls with purple hair? 😖 Doesnt every anime have that? Wait, doesn't DBZ have that?
Tekken is more realistic, it isn't about impossible blasts and moves, you'd never be able to put that in a movie and expect an intelligent audience to take it seriously. If we want a fighting movie, we don't want a joke of a movie with Charlies angels like the game and movie DOA was and is.
Tekken really can't even be compared to DOA, DOA is mainly about girls and has no real depth or characters with any difference, the moves are made up because Tecmo was too lazy to go and study real moves, and languages are lazy, there is only Japanes and English, and the movie was very much American, they is no effort to incoperate Russian, Korean, English, American and various other laguages Tekken does.
As for characters beating Tekken characters in the looks, nah, DOA characters vaugly look different from each other, there is no way to differentiate who is american from who is japanese except from thier hair styles, give Helena the same hair as Ayame and she'd look japanese 😛 Its lazy, real lazy. Well guess what Tecmo, if you're too lazy to make a decent fighter, I'm too lazy to purcase your games. Simple resolution 🙂
EDIT: I am also not particually happy with the racial content in DOA either -_-, the only black guy there is is a looser who can't get girls. Thats rather insulting. And if it wasn't for Lei Fang's obvious hair and style of dress, I wouldn't know she was Chinese, wait? Does she speak Japanese and American like the rest, I can't remember, or does she ACTUALLY speak Chinese, cos if she does, thats a first 😮