DOA vs Tekken

Originally posted by Sam Z
It means he knows better what supernatural is and that means he knows a better way of defeating it

And I told you ryu has supernatural blood as well.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Does NOT he beats Jin. Regular Jin is capable of beating the same guys too and devil is many times more powerfull than regular jin

Has he defeated guy's capable of destroying the world and if so how many times?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Wrong logic again. Ryu beats such powerfull guys, Jin too, Devil Jin >>> Jin, and Devil Jin>>>>>>>> those guys. Ryu loses to Jin. With Devil Jin it would be an embarrassment for Ryu.

And like I said devil jins highest feat is the ability to destroy the planet, ryu has fought and defeated foes in that rank many times, ryu wins.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I told you ryu has supernatural blood as well.

That is nothing comparing to Devil gene.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Has he defeated guy's capable of destroying the world and if so how many times?
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You started that A>B>C logic so here you go.
Heihachi beat Devil who is capable of destroying the world
Jin beat Heihachi who beat Devil and Jin beat Kazuya who BTW was that Devil and Jin beat True Ogre who was destroying everything he was passing by and soon would've possibly destroyed the world(something equel to the disasters you was talking about) and I believe Jin will be the one who will beat Jinpachi who's ending says that he's going to destroy the world. You asked, here you go.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And like I said devil jins highest feat is the ability to destroy the planet, ryu has fought and defeated foes in that rank many times, ryu wins. [/B]

You miss something here. It's like saying that if Galactus had gun then Punisher would be able to beat him since he always beats guys with guns.

Originally posted by Sam Z
That is nothing comparing to Devil gene.

Clear evidence of fanboyism, the dragon linage beat vigor the god of hate, ryu has there power.

Originally posted by Sam Z

You started that A>B>C logic so here you go.
Heihachi beat Devil who is capable of destroying the world
Jin beat Heihachi who beat Devil and Jin beat Kazuya who BTW was that Devil and Jin beat True Ogre who was destroying everything he was passing by and soon would've possibly destroyed the world(something equel to the disasters you was talking about) and I believe Jin will be the one who will beat Jinpachi who's ending says that he's going to destroy the world. You asked, I gave.

You didn't read what I said, Ryu beat tengu BY HIMSELF WITH EASE.

So far jin has fought 3 worldwide threats in several showings :

Heiachi
Kazuya
Ogre
possible jinpachi

Ryu beat:

Vigor With Dark Dragon Blade
Murai with Dark Dragon Blade
Himself
* Note he beat those 3 in his first showing

Tengu

EDIT: The Dark Dragon Blade is an entity with it's own power, it could turn people in to fiends.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You didn't read what I said, Ryu beat tengu BY HIMSELF WITH EASE.
He didn't get help like jin got, he easily whopped him.

So far jin has fought 3 worldwide threats in several showings :

Heiachi
Kazuya
Ogre
possible jinpachi

Ryu beat:

Vigor With Dark Dragon Blade
Murai with Dark Dragon Blade
Himself
* Note he beat those 3 in his first showing

Tengu

No YOU didn't read what I said, it's wrong to assume that Ryu beats Jin ONLY because he beats other guys who could destroy the world.

Jin never got help, where you got that from? He beat them all by himself and with easy too.

Ryu
Vigor With Dark Dragon Blade
Murai with Dark Dragon Blade

Jin byhimself at fist showing
True Ogre
Heihachi (who again beat the devil)

at second showing
Kazuya (the devil)
and Heihachi
and no dragon blades...

Originally posted by Sam Z
No YOU didn't read what I said, it's wrong to assume that Ryu beats Jin ONLY because he beats other guys who could destroy the world.

He beat them on his first showings, as opposed to jin.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Jin never got help, where you got that from? He beat them all by himself and with easy too.

It was a mistake I corrected it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Ryu
Vigor With [B]Dark Dragon Blade
Murai with Dark Dragon Blade

Jin byhimself at fist showing
True Ogre
Heihachi (who again beat the devil)

at second showing
Kazuya (the devil)
and Heihachi
and no dragon blades... [/B]

Ryu's oppenents have the Dark Dragon Blade to add to there power, the blade turns you into the devil.

Ryu wins,He still has more experience

Fighting fiends and greater ( Who are considerd Gods), defeating abstract enties(Doku), Coming back to life.

All in his first showing...Even if jin somehow kills him the spirit can revive him.

Where do you get true ogre can destroy the world, you said he caused disasters where ever he went not all over. tengu coverd the planet with pure choas causing destruction all over the world at once

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
He beat them on his first showings, as opposed to jin.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu's oppenents have the Dark Dragon Blade to add to there power, the blade turns you into the devil.[/B]

Was Ryu armed? And even so they are still just demons what isn't a big deal

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu wins,He still has more experience[/B]

Yeah, Kazuya and Heihachi had more experience aswell, doesn't mean a thing.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Fighting fiends and greater ( Who are considerd Gods), defeating abstract enties(Doku), Coming back to life.[/B]

Just the same, fighting Gods, deamons... Devil.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
All in his first showing...Even if jin somehow kills him the spirit can revive him.[/B]

All at first appearance and if Ryu somehow kills Jin the Devil usually activates when Jin wants or when Jin is stressed or dieing.
So he'll just becomes Devil and sends Ryu to hell.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Where do you get true ogre can destroy the world, you said he caused disasters where ever he went not all over. tengu coverd the planet with pure choas causing destruction all over the world at once [/B]

Causing desasters, just the same. And anyway, Devil and Jinpachi...

Originally posted by Sam Z
And how old was he then and how trined?? Jin was 17 or 18 and was conciderably new at fighting in Tekken 3.

Ryu, trained all his life and ninja gaiden takes place at when he's 19-20

Originally posted by Sam Z

Was Ryu armed? And even so they are still just demons what isn't a big deal

There not just demons, vigoor is all the negative energy in exsistence, he's like the devil of ninja gaiden. and gurdu is like GOD.
Vigoor beat Gurdu and got stronger with the dark dragon.The dark dragon can turn humans into the devil. Ryu had the True dragon blade.

Originally posted by Sam Z

All at first appearance and if Ryu somehow kills Jin the Devil usually activates when Jin wants or when Jin is stressed or [B]dieing.
So he'll just becomes Devil and sends Ryu to hell.

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BS, jin cannot send people to hell what a lie.

Jin struggles against lili and hawang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xa0I7guSk&search=tekken%206

Are first glance trailers canon?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu, trained all his life and ninja gaiden takes place at when he's 19-20

And that is not on Ryu's favour here coz even as amature Jin did things as impressive as Ryu after all life training.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
There not just demons, vigoor is all the negative energy in exsistence, he's like the devil of ninja gaiden. and gurdu is like GOD.
Vigoor beat Gurdu and got stronger with the dark dragon.The dark dragon can turn humans into the devil. Ryu had the True dragon blade.
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OK. Like God, like Devil. Jin beat God and Devil and they were not "like".

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
BS, jin cannot send people to hell what a lie.[/B]

When I said sends him to hell I didn't mean literally sends, it's just a frase, means he'll kill him.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Jin struggles against lili and hawang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xa0I7guSk&search=tekken%206 [/B]

First of all it's not even canon yet, it might be just a video made for fans and does it matter anyway? We see him beating her while appears Hwoarang and blows him. Hwoarang kicks Devil couple of times and only makes him mad and BTW hwoarang is one of the most powerfull Tekken characters and even he'd give Ryu some hard time. In other words this video proves nothing.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And that is not on Ryu's favour here coz even as amature Jin did things as impressive as Ryu after all life training.

So, what's your point this was his first showing and he did great, jin has 4 showings.

Originally posted by Sam Z

OK. Like God, like Devil. Jin beat God and Devil and they were not "like".

Jin never beat GOD what's up with these lies, I said vigoor and gurdu are GOD and the Devil in ninja gaiden realm they represent them, but they're God and the Devil in Ninja Gaiden.

Originally posted by Sam Z
When I said sends him to hell I didn't mean literally sends, it's just a frase, means he'll kill him.

BS you haven't proved why, just vague comments about jin being the devil.

Originally posted by Sam Z
First of all it's not even canon yet, it might be just a video made for fans and does it matter anyway? We see him beating her while appears Hwoarang and blows him. Hwoarang kicks Devil couple of times and only makes him mad and BTW hwoarang is one of the most powerfull Tekken characters and even he'd give Ryu some hard time. In other words this video proves nothing. [/B]

Devil jin Supposedly beat God but some guy gives him problems...

Ryu wins, and that was an offical trailer for E3.

Originally posted by Sam Z
First of all it's not even canon yet, it might be just a video made for fans and does it matter anyway? We see him beating her while appears Hwoarang and blows him. Hwoarang kicks Devil couple of times and only makes him mad and BTW hwoarang is one of the most powerfull Tekken characters and even he'd give Ryu some hard time. In other words this video proves nothing.

Official or not, that trailer is one of the first and there may be great changes in Tekken 6 that we dont know about yet since we dont know when it's gonna get released.

Originally posted by IcePunk
Yeah, exactly Hworang is Jin's rival and you dont become a rival with Jin without being damn good.

Official or not, that trailer is one of the first and there may be great changes in Tekken 6 that we dont know about yet since we dont know when it's gonna get released.

True, hayate is ryu rival so I guess you have a point

Your avatar is killing me 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
So, what's your point this was his first showing and he did great, jin has 4 showings.

Jin only had three showings and my point is clear, Jin even as amature is a match for Ryu, and now when he has trained enough he'd beat him with little trouble.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Jin never beat GOD what's up with these lies, I said vigoor and gurdu are GOD and the Devil in ninja gaiden realm they represent them, but they're God and the Devil in Ninja Gaiden.[/B]

Never beat God?? True Ogre was a God in Tekken universe and The Devil is the devil. What can't you understand here?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
BS you haven't proved why, just vague comments about jin being the devil.[/B]

Neither did you, only thing you said Ryu always beats a lot of taugh Guys but so does Jin even in his regular form. It's simple logic, Jin is a match for Ryu, Devil Jin >>>> Jin and so Devil Jin >>>> Ryu

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Devil jin Supposedly beat God but some guy gives him problems...

Ryu wins, and that was an offical trailer for E3. [/B]

This "guy" as you said would beat all DOA characters in one-on-one fight with easy and would have a great chance of beating Ryu himself. And he didn't give him any problem, even I can kick devil in the face, so? He only annoyed him. You saw what happened next.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
True, hayate is ryu rival so I guess you have a point

Your avatar is killing me 😆

Again Hwoarang is a match for Ryu aswell and would beat all DOA characters if in 1on1 fights.
BTW have you seen official metal gear 4 trailer? Not the last one, but the one when he kills soldiers on the chairs and then takes off his mask and turnes out he was Raiden. That trailer was also official of MGS but it was also made just for fans, that video you showed may not even have anything incommon with the story mode. But even if it had what was the point of it. You think it decrease Jin's respect because Hwoarang kicked him?? Well it doesn't.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Jin only had three showings and my point is clear, Jin even as amature is a match for Ryu, and now when he has trained enough he'd beat him with little trouble.

Ryu isn't a master in ninja gaiden, that was his first showing.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Never beat God?? True Ogre was a God in Tekken universe and The Devil is the devil. What can't you understand here?

Ogre was A GOD not The GOD big difference, Greater Fiends are Gods as well and ryu beat all of them.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Neither did you, only thing you said Ryu always beats a lot of taugh Guys but so does Jin even in his regular form. It's simple logic, Jin is a match for Ryu, Devil Jin >>>> Jin and so Devil Jin >>>> Ryu
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LOL, You think devil jin is your saving grace, Ryu didn't tap into the power of his ancient blood once in ninja gaiden and his feats rival jin.
And"Devil within" is not canon so your feats about him growing huge and such are moot.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Neither did you, only thing you said Ryu always beats a lot of taugh Guys but so does Jin even in his regular form. It's simple logic, Jin is a match for Ryu, Devil Jin >>>> Jin and so Devil Jin >>>> Ryu

I also mentioned his killer ki manipulation,teleportation,speed

Here's more:

He can run and fight on water ( Confirmed by itagaki)

He can run on walls

Sense Ki

Also kazuya is not the devil, he's possessed by the devil stop making stuff up.

Originally posted by Sam Z

surviving multiple machine gunfire from the back right after the fight and throwing heihachi through the wall right after he've been injured.

Heihachi used jin as bait for Ogre, because Ogre absorbs strong fighting spirits and, he had already absorbed Jin's mother. Unknown to Jin, Heihachi wanted some blood or tissue from Ogre to create his own "ultimate life form". After Jin defeated True Ogre in the third King of Iron Fist tournament, Heihachi couldn't capture True Ogre, and so ordered his Tekken Force soldiers to kill Jin. Jin was dying on the ground and reaching his arm to Heihachi for help, but instead, Heihachi shot Jin in the head with a pistol. Jin appeared to be dead, but his anger activated the Devil Gene, transforming Jin into Devil Jin. He threw Heihachi through the temple wall, and jumped after him. Wings appeared on Jin's back, and he rammed into the downed Heihachi. Finally, Jin flew off into the night.So that wasn't regular jins feats it was devil jins.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Tekken 4 defeating both Kazuya and Heihachi what is a VERY big deal if you know these guys well. Canon from Tekken 5. Destroying entire forest in his devil form by simply standing there and yelling.

Another devil jin feat.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Beating the crap of thousands robots and deamons during devil within story and then defeating True Ogre again and then his second form (he grows ten times bigger and becomes ten times stronger and that means A LOT when you talk about Ogre)
Non-canon from Tekken 5 ( I know it may never happened but just for laughs) Becomes the devil and possibly almost destroyes the world.

Now, your turn.

Too bad "Devil Within" is not canon.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Never beat God?? True Ogre was a God in Tekken universe and The Devil is the devil. What can't you understand here?

Ogre is just A GOD, he isn't a creator GOD and kazuya is not the devil. he simply tapped into the devil gene and has the devil spirit consuming. hayabusa actually beat vigoor not some being possessed by his spirit hayabusa wins.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ryu isn't a master in ninja gaiden, that was his first showing.

But he was trining for more than 5 years before that I believe.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Ogre was A GOD not The GOD big difference, Greater Fiends are Gods as well and ryu beat all of them.
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LOL A God not the God! Sorry but The God for me is a question of my religion, there is no such thing in the games as The God and so there is no difference between Ogre and God ryu fought.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
LOL, You think devil jin is your saving grace, Ryu didn't tap into the power of his ancient blood once in ninja gaiden and his feats rival jin.
And"Devil within" is not canon so your feats about him growing huge and such are moot.
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Doh! It must be the third time i hear that "devil within is not canon" but it IS. It happened between Tekken 4 and 5 after Jin left honmaru to search for his mother Jun and what's the difference anyway since Jin beat True Ogre not only in devil within. Saving grace LOL My point of devil gene was that Ryu hasn't chance against ordinaty Jin and thinking that he has a chance against Devil is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I also mentioned his killer ki manipulation,teleportation,speed

Here's more:

He can run and fight on water ( Confirmed by itagaki)

He can run on walls

Sense Ki[/B]

Run on wall fight on water LOL It may come in handy if they were fighting in the middle of Atlantic ocean, but it ain't helping him here. His KI manipulation is not very impressive comparing Ogre or Jinpachy magic attacks so no point of thinking it would help him either.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Also kazuya is not the devil, he's possessed by the devil stop making stuff up. [/B]

making stuff up? The hell? I thought you already knew that. He was possessed by the devil since 8 and since then he represents the devil himself. And Jin was already born with Devil gene inside him so I'm not making anything up.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Heihachi used jin as bait for Ogre, because Ogre absorbs strong fighting spirits and, he had already absorbed Jin's mother. Unknown to Jin, Heihachi wanted some blood or tissue from Ogre to create his own "ultimate life form". After Jin defeated True Ogre in the third King of Iron Fist tournament, Heihachi couldn't capture True Ogre, and so ordered his Tekken Force soldiers to kill Jin. Jin was dying on the ground and reaching his arm to Heihachi for help, but instead, Heihachi shot Jin in the head with a pistol. Jin appeared to be dead, but his anger activated the Devil Gene, transforming Jin into Devil Jin. He threw Heihachi through the temple wall, and jumped after him. Wings appeared on Jin's back, and he rammed into the downed Heihachi. Finally, Jin flew off into the night.So that wasn't regular jins feats it was devil jins.

OK, good, you know how to use wikipedia, so? He was shot from the back, what's the point?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Another devil jin feat. [/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Too bad "Devil Within" is not canon.[/B]

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Ogre is just A GOD, he isn't a creator GOD and kazuya is not the devil. he simply tapped into the devil gene and has the devil spirit consuming. hayabusa actually beat vigoor not some being possessed by his spirit hayabusa wins. [/B]

I never said Ogre is a creator God. For me creator God is Allah and Ogre is just a game character just like God ryu fought but he is god of martial arts. You don't see the picture. Kazuya IS devil now, He became devil since 8 and no point of saying that he is not that taugh only because he posseses. He IS the Devil. Again assuming that Ryu has a chance against Jin as Devil is ridiculous and beating vigoor is not a turning argument here at all. Ryu loses to Jin.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
True, hayate is ryu rival so I guess you have a point

Your avatar is killing me 😆

And yeah it's supposed to do that to people, but thnx 😂

Originally posted by Sam Z
But he was trining for more than 5 years before that I believe.

Originally posted by Sam Z
LOL A God not the God! Sorry but The God for me is a question of my religion, there is no such thing in the games as The God and so there is no difference between Ogre and God ryu fought.

When Ogre creates the universe like gurdu call me, For now he's just the God of fighting.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Run on wall fight on water LOL It may come in handy if they were fighting in the middle of Atlantic ocean, but it ain't helping him here. His KI manipulation is not very impressive comparing Ogre or Jinpachy magic attacks so no point of thinking it would help him either.

What can ogre and jinpachi do that ryu can't.

Originally posted by Sam Z

making stuff up? The hell? I thought you already knew that. He was possessed by the devil since 8 and since then he represents the devil himself. And Jin was already born with Devil gene inside him so I'm not making anything up.

He made a pact with the devil when heiachi threw him of the cliff, his soul became completely possessed later on. he's similar to murai after he gained the dark dragon blade and ryu was able to overcome him.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Doh! It must be the third time i hear that "devil within is not canon" but it IS. It happened between Tekken 4 and 5 after Jin left honmaru to search for his mother Jun and what's the difference anyway since Jin beat True Ogre not only in devil within. Saving grace LOL My point of devil gene was that Ryu hasn't chance against ordinaty Jin and thinking that he has a chance against Devil is just ridiculous.

I know jin beat true ogre, show me proof "devil within" was canon because jins mother was killed by ogre during tekken 3 so how could he go looking for her? and ryu can beat jin and devil you haven't proved he can't you just ramble on about how impressive he is and I show you feats that match jin but you won't except it, so I'll ask you what can jin do that ryu can't.