Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You sir, are not making sense, the Devil uses the Mishima style, yes, because that is the most familiar style to the Devil, all previous devils used it, Jin himself however, does not use it period. My argument is, if Jin no longer uses it by Tekken 4, why would NORMAL JIN suddenly take it up again bitween Tekken 4 and 5, AS NORMAL JIN? Answer me that one Sam, and please keep in mind, this is a completely separate argument from the Devil Jin argument.
I don't know when you last time played devil within but you obviously should play it again. Jin fights there in art of traditiona karate. Look at his upercaught, at his lowkick. Look at his comboes. And than pick Jin in practice mode and scan throughthe list of moves. Traditional karate style.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Jun DIED, Tekken 3 proves it, Jin watched it with his own eyes... In the Tekken 3 opening Animation, Ogre was holding her Decapitated head... if you missed that, then it's your problem, not mine[/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrhAJQLK_Y&search=tekken%203%20intro
Here is Tekken 3 intro. Please DZ, point me at Jun's dead body or head or anything like that. Jun dissapeared and it is NOT from wikipedia, it's officialy said by namco.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It would take longer than 3 weeks to get through all the events of Devil Within dude... Your logic is flawed, and you have been proven wrong here.[/B]
My logic is flawed? What is "longer than 3 weeks" based on? These events could easilly happen during one week or two. I'm not proven wrong here, sorry.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hello pot, this is kettle, your black... your saying this even though you use Wiki as a source of official information? please... 🙄 [/B]
I don't ectually base my self on wiki, I believe DW is official because it makes sense. I only brought up wiki since you asked ANY source of information that supports my point (I know wiki is not hell of a source but you asked for any)
So again, why do you think they didn't made so popular force mode in Tekken 5?
Again, you didn't yet disproved anything i said.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh and one last thing, Gods don't get hurt, Gods don't bleed, Gods do not get KOed, Gods are omnipotent, Jin should hae been erased from existance if that was the case, Ogre is not a True God in any sense of the word... Go ahead and disprove that fact...
Ogre is not less true god than the one Ryu fought. Ryu won that fight. So by your logic he was supposed to be "erased from existance".
Ogre is not The God as we used to know from our religion beliefes. He is game character just as other gods (like in ninja gaiden).
And all that God staff was brought to show characters feats and God Ryu fought is not better god than one Jin fought.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Considering he only learned it for five years yeah he can unlearn it.
Have you ever studyed martial arts? If you don't train at all then yes, your technique could become worse, still you can't forget it at all. but Jin kept training and keeping his body fit and one could NOT unlearn techique in couple of month after training it for years.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And what refrence are you using,word of mouth?[/B]
No, it was said by namco and anyone who followed Tekken story know that she dissapeared. Again, no body, no grave.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The same can be said for you, what proof do you have it's official. [/B]
Common sense. The question is what proofs do you have that it is not official because everything points that it is.
I've tried twice to post a response, but the damn thing kept logging me out before the post was completed, so, instead of doing this thing quote for quote, here is my reply.
About Jin's fighting style in DW, Well, the fact that he uses two trademark Mishima Ryu techniques in his totally Traditional Karate set in DW proves you wrong mate, sorry no dice for you on that one.
The Tekken 3 intro, 2n'd and 4th last scene shows Ogre holding Jun's decapitated head, how you missed this is beyond me...
The events of Devil Within logically takes longer than 3 weeks based on Travel time, Him fighting off the Devil inside him every minute of every day, and the fact that Jinpachi has revealed himself right after the explosion in Honmaru. Yes, your logic is flawed, there are two many events happening all at once, Every major character would have been drawn to Ogre if he had ressurected.
If you have official sources citing DW as canon, then you should show us that instead og giving us the runaround like you've been doing, no actual proof = no proof at all.
And again, it's not my job to DISprove anything, especially since it's impossible to prove a negative, the burden of proof lies with you, the person who made the claim that DW is canon.
Last thing is, I am pro tekken on this, but I an in disagreement with you because you are providing false information, Ogre is not an actual god. The term God is used in reference to a being who is Omnipotent, Now in neither case (Ninja Gaided or Tekken) was the characters in question Omnipotent, for the reasons I stated earlier, and you havn't disputed that fact.They are not Gods in any technical sense, just very powerful beings... Ressurection was not one of Ogre's powers BTW, and you havn't proven otherwise.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I've tried twice to post a response, but the damn thing kept logging me out before the post was completed, so, instead of doing this thing quote for quote, here is my reply.About Jin's fighting style in DW, Well, the fact that he uses two trademark Mishima Ryu techniques in his totally Traditional Karate set in DW proves you wrong mate, sorry no dice for you on that one.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The Tekken 3 intro, 2n'd and 4th last scene shows Ogre holding Jun's decapitated head, how you missed this is beyond me...I don't know where you got that from but I posted Tekken 3 intro above and I clearly remember all endings and cutsense from Tekken 3. There was NO decapitated head. And NO body and NO grave. She just dissapeared.
[QUOTE=6642429]Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The events of Devil Within logically takes longer than 3 weeks based on Travel time, Him fighting off the Devil inside him every minute of every day, and the fact that Jinpachi has revealed himself right after the explosion in Honmaru. Yes, your logic is flawed, there are two many events happening all at once, Every major character would have been drawn to Ogre if he had ressurected.[/B]
Actually it is YOUR logic flawed. I don't even get why you brought Jinpachi here. He was freed after explosion in hon-maru and it happened instantly and has nothing to do with DW. So there is NOTHING that points that DW took longer than 3 weeks. It all could happen in one week or two and all those "many events" happened pretty fast and had nothing to do with DW.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If you have official sources citing DW as canon, then you should show us that instead og giving us the runaround like you've been doing, no actual proof = no proof at all.And again, it's not my job to DISprove anything, especially since it's impossible to prove a negative, the burden of proof lies with you, the person who made the claim that DW is canon.[/B]
You don't want to disprove anything only because you already tried and couldn't. Everything I said is logical and all your tries to disprove anything were just not serious and failed. Jin fights in karate style, that makes sense. As devil fights in mishima karate, Makes sense too. He looks for Ogre, that makes sense too since Ogre was the reason his mother dissapeared (YES she dissapeared) The time it all happense makes sense too. Because Jin wants to know what was that vision about that stopped him from killing Heihachi and letting Devil fully consume him. Except for the logic I don't have any other proofs or sites that prove that, and saying that it means that DW not canon because I don't know any sites to back it up is stupid since it's like trying to prove that "death by degrees" was canon. You just can't find site that says "YES IT IS CANON". But logic speaks for it self.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Last thing is, I am pro tekken on this, but I an in disagreement with you because you are providing false information, Ogre is not an actual god. The term God is used in reference to a being who is Omnipotent, Now in neither case (Ninja Gaided or Tekken) was the characters in question Omnipotent, for the reasons I stated earlier, and you havn't disputed that fact.They are not Gods in any technical sense, just very powerful beings... Ressurection was not one of Ogre's powers BTW, and you havn't proven otherwise. [/B]
😂 false information. Man what is an actual God for you? For me it is Allah but that is not the thing here. I started that debate about Gods to compare him to god Ryu fought because, they are gods in their universes BUT certanly not Gods as we know him now. Your quote makes no sense here since my point wasn't to prove that Ogre is the same god as Allah for me. The point was that Ogre is not worse or less powerfull being then the one Ryu fought.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Sorry but it only proves you played Tekken without paying attention.
What's so hard to understand? Jin fights in traditional karate, devil Jin in mishima fighting style. You said DW is not canon because Jin stopped fighting in mishima style after tekken 3, so he does NOT fight in this style during DW. He only fights in it as Devil Jin what is anyway canon because he fights so even during story mode. So you didn't disproved anything. All makes sense.
AAAARGH! This proves you have not been reading what I've been typing.... Your only picking bits out that you can feel confortably argue without reading the whole argument, Now, Read again, the whole damn thing this time...
NORMAL JIN IN DEVIL WITHIN IS USING TWO MISHIMA RYU TECHNIQUES IN HIS SUPPOSED FULLY TRADITIONAL KARATE SETTING Can you explain this discrepency?
Instead of running this in circles, either explain it or admit you cannot and leave the DW debate alone.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually it is YOUR logic flawed. I don't even get why you brought Jinpachi here. He was freed after explosion in hon-maru and it happened instantly and has nothing to do with DW. So there is NOTHING that points that DW took longer than 3 weeks. It all could happen in one week or two and all those "many events" happened pretty fast and had nothing to do with DW.
I bought Jinpachi into it because according to the timeline of when DW was supposed to happen, Jinpachi would have already started doing everything, it screws with the timeline royally and it makes no sense for ingame cannon to span 3 games worth of story across 3 weeks, your upset because your poking holes in my arguments are not working if you read the whole thing... And as I said earlier, your forgtting Travel Time, Time for Jin to rest, and time for the events leading up to Tekken 5 that don't involve DW, you are in the wrong here.
Originally posted by Sam Z
You don't want to disprove anything only because you already tried and couldn't. Everything I said is logical and all your tries to disprove anything were just not serious and failed. Jin fights in karate style, that makes sense. As devil fights in mishima karate, Makes sense too. He looks for Ogre, that makes sense too since Ogre was the reason his mother dissapeared (YES she [B] dissapeared) The time it all happense makes sense too. Because Jin wants to know what was that vision about that stopped him from killing Heihachi and letting Devil fully consume him. Except for the logic I don't have any other proofs or sites that prove that, and saying that it means that DW not canon because I don't know any sites to back it up is stupid since it's like trying to prove that "death by degrees" was canon. You just can't find site that says "YES IT IS CANON". But logic speaks for it self.[/B]
The burden of proof still lies with you, and as I said, it's a scientific impossability to prove a negative beyond doubt. Jin fighting with traditional karate And Mishima Ryu at the same time = non -cannon, Devil Jin fighting with the Mishima Ryu - Moot point since I never argued that, Jin having already destroyed Ogre (This is an official and canon fact) means it makes no sense for Jin to go looking for him again without plausible reason. Jun was killed by Ogre - confirmed, weather you beleive that or not...
And if you have no actual evidence to support your claim, then don't make the claim... Logic by itself does not conclusively prove that DW is canon, and hell it's not even logical to begin with... I dunno why your so adamant about this, if it's to give Jin more ammo in these debates then your seriously reaching deep for that... Even you have to admit this was a serious stretch... 😕
Originally posted by Sam Z
😂 false information. Man what is an actual God for you? For me it is Allah but that is not the thing here. I started that debate about Gods to compare him to god Ryu fought because, they are gods in their universes BUT certanly not Gods as we know him now. Your quote makes no sense here since my point wasn't to prove that Ogre is the same god as Allah for me. The point was that Ogre is not worse or less powerfull being then the one Ryu fought.
An actual god is an omnipotent being who Cannot be harmed by even immortals... I would argue that the use of the term God to describe a defeatable character is catagorically wrong... since a being of Omnipotent power could simply wish his opponent out of existance, or become something unharmable, or break all of his opponents bones simultaneously with a mere thought... Ogre was KOed 4 by a mortal... get over it...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
AAAARGH! This proves you have not been reading what I've been typing.... Your only picking bits out that you can feel confortably argue without reading the whole argument, Now, Read again, the whole damn thing this time...[b]NORMAL JIN IN DEVIL WITHIN IS USING TWO MISHIMA RYU TECHNIQUES IN HIS SUPPOSED FULLY TRADITIONAL KARATE SETTING
Can you explain this discrepency?Instead of running this in circles, either explain it or admit you cannot and leave the DW debate alone.
[/B]
I will repeat this once again.
Jin(NOT Devil) during DW fights ONLY in traditional karate style. Only!!! Just like during STORY mode!!! I don't know what stops you from understanding it. Since Tekken 3 he stopped using mishima fighting style and he DOESN'T use it in DW. Again, ONLY traditional karate.
I don't have to admit anything since it's only your problem that you can't understand that it all makes sense.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I bought Jinpachi into it because according to the timeline of when DW was supposed to happen, Jinpachi would have already started doing everything, it screws with the timeline royally and it makes no sense for ingame cannon to span 3 games worth of story across 3 weeks, your upset because your poking holes in my arguments are not working if you read the whole thing... And as I said earlier, your forgtting Travel Time, Time for Jin to rest, and time for the events leading up to Tekken 5 that don't involve DW, you are in the wrong here.
I'm not upset because all you say makes no sense. You know bringing anything you ever heard about Tekken and pretending it means something. Jinpachi has NOTHING to do with DW. He was freed after explosion and started making plans and organizing new tournament.
Meahwhile Jin could've done ANYTHING during that time. I don't know what makes you thing that Jinpachi storyline somehow proves that DW is not true. You make all up.
And about travel time, it all based on your assumptions ONLY. That DW would take more time than 3 weeks. There is nothing pointing that these events took more than 3 weeks. He could get pass through it and rest during only one week or two. So this is another failed try to disprove anything.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The burden of proof still lies with you, and as I said, it's a scientific impossability to prove a negative beyond doubt. Jin fighting with traditional karate And Mishima Ryu at the same time = non -cannon, Devil Jin fighting with the Mishima Ryu - Moot point since I never argued that, Jin having already destroyed Ogre (This is an official and canon fact) means it makes no sense for Jin to go looking for him again without plausible reason.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Jun was killed by Ogre - confirmed, weather you beleive that or not...
You know, I'm pretty tired to explain you that 2+2=4. Making story up by yourself ain't helping you at all. I showed intro above. No Jun's head. I remember ALL cutsenses from game, no Jun's head. I know official namco position about that. She dissapeared. And that you just don't agree with that is not a reason to argue and to make things up. Sorry, it is true. Believe it or not...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And if you have no actual evidence to support your claim, then don't make the claim... Logic by itself does not conclusively prove that DW is canon, and hell it's not even logical to begin with... I dunno why your so adamant about this, if it's to give Jin more ammo in these debates then your seriously reaching deep for that... Even you have to admit this was a serious stretch... 😕
That I don't have site that says "DW is canon" it doesn't mean I don't have proofs. Do you have sites that prove that "myphology sub-zero" was canon? Nope. So again the only and MAIN convincing prove here is logic. IT ALL LOGICALLY CORRECT despite of all you failed tries to prove it's not.
Once again:
1) Traditional karate(ONLY) - makes sense
2) Searching for Ogre who dissapeared after the tournament - makes sense...
...3) Because he was the reason Jun dissapeared and Jin wanted to find his mother after that vision in honmaru - makes sense. Hell! ALL MAKE SENSE but you are SO consumed with idea to prove me wrong that it makes you blind.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
An actual god is an omnipotent being who Cannot be harmed by even immortals... I would argue that the use of the term God to describe a defeatable character is catagorically wrong... since a being of Omnipotent power could simply wish his opponent out of existance, or become something unharmable, or break all of his opponents bones simultaneously with a mere thought... Ogre was KOed 4 by a mortal... get over it...
get over it... 🙄
I will try to express myself clear this time. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN IF OGRE AN ACTUAL GOD OR NOT!!! Actual God for me is Allah, so stop even debating this thing.
My point there was comparing Ogre to god Ryu fought in the game. To compare feats. god ryu fought was also defeated in fair fight. I tryed to point that defeating that guy is not a bigger deal than defeating Ogre because they are both powerfull creatures that are called gods in their universes. So stop explaining me what real God is since I have my own thoughts about it that have nothing to do with the games.
AAAARGH! 😠 You have completely missed it again Sam Z..... I'll do this for you one last time, since your obviously not getting the whole picture, but this is the last one...
Originally posted by Sam Z
doh
The only problem we've got here is YOU ignoring my posts and pretending that I ignore yours.
WTF are you talking about? You are making about as much sense as a person does while they are drowning... go back, read what I said, then try yet again...
Originally posted by Sam Z
I will repeat this once again.
[B] Jin(NOT Devil) during DW fights ONLY in traditional karate style. Only!!! Just like during STORY mode!!! I don't know what stops you from understanding it. Since Tekken 3 he stopped using mishima fighting style and he DOESN'T use it in DW. Again, ONLY traditional karate.
I don't have to admit anything since it's only your problem that you can't understand that it all makes sense. [/B]
But you see, that is my point right there... Normal Jin, using Traditional Karate. Why does he also have two Mishima Ryu Techniques As Normal Jin in Devil Within? Now that wasn't such a difficult thing to find, and now that it is as clear as day to you, please andswer the god damn question i've been asking for close to 3 pages now...
Originally posted by Sam Z
I'm not upset because all you say makes no sense. You know bringing anything you ever heard about Tekken and pretending it means something. Jinpachi has NOTHING to do with DW. He was freed after explosion and started making plans and organizing new tournament.
Meahwhile Jin could've done ANYTHING during that time. I don't know what makes you thing that Jinpachi storyline somehow proves that DW is not true. You make all up.
And about travel time, it all based on your assumptions ONLY. That DW would take more time than 3 weeks. There is nothing pointing that these events took more than 3 weeks. He could get pass through it and rest during only one week or two. So this is another failed try to disprove anything.
You screwed up right there... The Jinpachi Storyline already started the moment he woke up... If the DW events where true in any technical sense, then for one, alot more characters would have been involved in it, and for 2, there would have been a lot of interstory mingling there, Two evil forces would have drawn all sorts of things to them. For example, Mokujin would have been totally confused over which of the two evil forces brought him back to life, and If Ogre had been responsable, Mokujin would have been ressurected earlier.
Travel time? dude, Jin is traveling on feathered wing's around the world... Even birds take month's to trave from the North Pole to the southern hemisphere, saying he could do all that travel, AND fighting, AND resting, AND all the events that he's involved in in established canon flow of events (Like the forest scenes) means that the 3 week deadline is going to be blown out by more than a month at the very least. The travel time alone would push him over the deadline by weeks. I'm not making that up, I'm not altering anything, I'm not being mean, this is how it would logically play out... And you have no basis for a counter-argument.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Jin fights in traditional karate ONLY and if you haven't noticed that, then it is your problem. Official and canon fact is that Jin [B]defeated Ogre. He just dissapeared after that (teleportation is one of his usual moves) so it makes sense too. Jin went looking for him again because he had vision of his mother, who dissapeared and it makes sense too. So everything make sense but you just don't want it to be so that's why you make up new staff.[/B]
I'm the one who told you that..... My question was, he switched to Traditional Karate right after Tekken 3, Why does he use two Mishima Ryu techniques in his Karate arsenal bitween Tekken 4 and 5 for DW, then immediately go back to total Karate for Tekken 5. And me making new stuff up? you just pulled that out of your ass, I showed you where Jun died, I explained in 3 separate ways that Ogre is gone for good after Tekken 3, and you have offered no conclusive proof to the contrary... Debate properly, or leave this thrad, simple isn't it...
Originally posted by Sam Z
You know, I'm pretty tired to explain you that 2+2=4. Making story up by yourself ain't helping you at all. I showed intro above. No Jun's head. I remember ALL cutsenses from game, no Jun's head. I know official namco position about that. She dissapeared. And that you just don't agree with that is not a reason to argue and to make things up. Sorry, it is true. Believe it or not...
What in the bluest of blue hells are you smoking? I just SHOWED you where the scene was, and I explained it to you in full detail... Link me to Namco's official site, show me where THEY say those exact words, right now... The Tekken 3 storyline had her die infront of Jin, thats why Jin remembers the Ogre and went after it during the tournament, your position is catagorically flawed since you say they do one thing, yet they've described another... They do one thing during a set time, and you say they do another... If this is how you like to debate Sam Z, then your not the debator I thought you where...
Originally posted by Sam Z
That I don't have site that says "DW is canon" it doesn't mean I don't have proofs. Do you have sites that prove that "myphology sub-zero" was canon? Nope. So again the only and MAIN convincing prove here is logic. IT ALL LOGICALLY CORRECT despite of all you failed tries to prove it's not.
Once again:
1) Traditional karate(ONLY) - makes sense
2) Searching for Ogre who dissapeared after the tournament - makes sense...
...3) Because he was the reason Jun dissapeared and Jin wanted to find his mother after that vision in honmaru - makes sense. Hell! ALL MAKE SENSE but you are [B]SO consumed with idea to prove me wrong that it makes you blind.[/B]
Originally posted by Sam Z
get over it... 🙄
I will try to express myself clear this time. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN IF OGRE AN ACTUAL GOD OR NOT!!! Actual God for me is Allah, so stop even debating this thing.
My point there was comparing Ogre to god Ryu fought in the game. To compare feats. god ryu fought was also defeated in fair fight. I tryed to point that defeating that guy is not a bigger deal than defeating Ogre because they are both powerfull creatures that are called gods in their universes. So stop explaining me what real God is since I have my own thoughts about it that have nothing to do with the games.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroOk bring it on. I'm all ears.
AAAARGH! 😠 You have completely missed it again Sam Z..... I'll do this for you one last time, since your obviously not getting the whole picture, but this is the last one...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
WTF are you talking about? You are making about as much sense as a person does while they are drowning... go back, read what I said, then try yet again...
Believe me I already read everything you said...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
But you see, that is my point right there... Normal Jin, using Traditional Karate. Why does he also have two Mishima Ryu Techniques As Normal Jin in Devil Within? Now that wasn't such a difficult thing to find, and now that it is as clear as day to you, please andswer the god damn question i've been asking for close to 3 pages now...
Jin moves during devil within:
1) step forward and upercought. (this move he uses is from traditional art of karate and during story mode performed by pressing forward, down, forward, triangle.)
2) step forward and low kick (this move is also used in story mode and is traditional karate move, performed by pressing forward, down, forward, X)
3) 5 kicks and punches comboes (also used in story mode just like in DW and are traditional karate moves)
4) Double jump kick (during story mode performed by pressing X and O at the same time)
5) Rolling attack ( performed by pressing O, X and this move is visually different from rolling attack Kazuya uses or from attack Jin used in Tekken 3)
6) straight punch ( performed by pressing forward, forward, square.)
7) double punch. (performed by pressing square and triangle at the same time)
As far as I remember this are all moves he uses during DW. And ALL these moves are from traditional karate and all these moves he uses in Tekken 5 during story mode. Jin is not my favourite character but I play Tekken long enough to tell- during DW Jin uses ONLY traditional karate and NO mishima technique AT ALL. If you don't trust me then go play DW again and compare ALL his moves with Tekken 5 story mode. I've been trying to explain this to you for 3 pages and I've been answering your "god damn" question for 3 pages now. But you just keep not understanding it and ask me to answer again... So are we done with all technique staff now??!!
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You screwed up right there... The Jinpachi Storyline already started the moment he woke up... If the DW events where true in any technical sense, then for one, alot more characters would have been involved in it, and for 2, there would have been a lot of interstory mingling there, Two evil forces would have drawn all sorts of things to them. For example, Mokujin would have been totally confused over which of the two evil forces brought him back to life, and If Ogre had been responsable, Mokujin would have been ressurected earlier.
Nope, I haven't screwed up, you have. Jinpachi story started at the time he woke up, yes. All your connections are make no sense. Why should there be more characters involved? Jin has been travelling and searching for Ogre. Heihachi was unconcious after explosion, Kazuya thought he killed his father and was doing something else that time. Meanwhile Jinpachi woke up, took over Mishima zaibatsu and started a new tournament and it all happened through the weeks. Devil Within events were not even connected to this, Jin was searching for Ogre. So? Again, how the hell Jinpachi storyline is connected to this? And how the hell it disproves something? I don't even see your point here.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNo basis? Actually you have no basis to back up you words. Jin was NOT travelling around the world. During DW levels he visited 5 places and there was nothing that proves that his travel from one place to another would take more than day besides comparing his flight speed to burds is just funny. With such speed as he had it might even take him hours only to get from one place to another. As for time to fight, we can judge how much he fought by the gameplay. To clear one place it might took him hour or little bit more. So again, your assumptions that he have been travelling more than three weeks do not disprove anything. It all might took him only week or two, and it most certanly took only one week or two since he returned in time to participate in tournament that Jinpachi started.
Travel time? dude, Jin is traveling on feathered wing's around the world... Even birds take month's to trave from the North Pole to the southern hemisphere, saying he could do all that travel, AND fighting, AND resting, AND all the events that he's involved in in established canon flow of events (Like the forest scenes) means that the 3 week deadline is going to be blown out by more than a month at the very least. The travel time alone would push him over the deadline by weeks. I'm not making that up, I'm not altering anything, I'm not being mean, this is how it would logically play out... And you have no basis for a counter-argument.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zerowasn't something new for me anyway...
I'm the one who told you that.....
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroReread what I said above.
My question was, he switched to Traditional Karate right after Tekken 3, Why does he use two Mishima Ryu techniques in his Karate arsenal bitween Tekken 4 and 5 for DW, then immediately go back to total Karate for Tekken 5.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And me making new stuff up? you just pulled that out of your ass, I showed you where Jun died, I explained in 3 separate ways that Ogre is gone for good after Tekken 3, and you have offered no conclusive proof to the contrary...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSomething you should think about yourself...
Debate properly, or leave this thrad, simple isn't it...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What in the bluest of blue hells are you smoking? I just SHOWED you where the scene was, and I explained it to you in full detail... Link me to Namco's official site, show me where THEY say those exact words, right now... The Tekken 3 storyline had her die infront of Jin, thats why Jin remembers the Ogre and went after it during the tournament,
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
your position is catagorically flawed since you say they do one thing, yet they've described another... They do one thing during a set time, and you say they do another...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If this is how you like to debate Sam Z, then your not the debator I thought you where...
Sorry DZ if dissapointed you, but I try to explain everything I could with my limited knowledge of english and I believ I'm doing good. Your point about technique turned to be wrong. It also wouldn't make any sense taking away SO popular force mode to put instead of it not very interesting DW mode if there were no serious reason. And the only logical reason that comes in mind is telling us Jin's story and preparing us to possible Jun's return (yes, this is possible).
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Tekken fanboys are starting to become worst than shin remy. 😆
shut up
in the topic of tekken vs street fighter you were on the side of the tekkenfanboys...
they had no arguments as back up, all the time i gave good arguments, and nobody reads my posts
and now you have to face the tekken fanboys,
so please don't make stupid jokes
Since I said I won't run through this yet again, I'll point out the EXACT techniques I was talking about for you Sam Z
In Devil within, as normal Jin, Lockon to your oponent, then use the sidestep motion to the left and press punch, Doing that will make Jin do a Dragon Godfist, and lockon, sidestep right, and punch will make Jin do a Thunder Godfist. My point was, why does he have these two techniques when he's supposed to be using Traditional karate.
As for the rest, anyon who reads this can see my point, And I don't feel the need to repeat myself for the upteenth time.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Since I said I won't run through this yet again, I'll point out the EXACT techniques I was talking about for you Sam ZIn Devil within, as normal Jin, Lockon to your oponent, then use the sidestep motion to the left and press punch, Doing that will make Jin do a Dragon Godfist, and lockon, sidestep right, and punch will make Jin do a Thunder Godfist. My point was, why does he have these two techniques when he's supposed to be using Traditional karate.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
As for the rest, anyon who reads this can see my point, And I don't feel the need to repeat myself for the upteenth time.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
As for the rest, anyon who reads this can see my point, And I don't feel the need to repeat myself for the upteenth time.
just forget it, The Tekken Fanboys won't read your posts, your arguments or ignore the feats...
it happend to me before in the tekken vs sf topic
tekken fanboys are worse 🙁
worser then sf fanboys or any other..
Originally posted by shin_remy
just forget it, The Tekken Fanboys won't read your posts, your arguments or ignore the feats...it happend to me before in the tekken vs sf topic
tekken fanboys are worse 🙁
worser then sf fanboys or any other..
Says the guy who believes that Ryu can take Raiden h2h 😂
I atleast don't say that Jin can beat ALL Streetfighter or ALL DOA characters at once, so who is a fanboy?