DOA vs Tekken

Originally posted by Sam Z
It is.

It's not... you want an explanation as to why it's not?

The timeline you gave for those events to occur contradict heavily with what is well known Canon. Firstly Ogre never ressurected, the entirety of Devil Within focuses on that fact... Secondly, if it's set bitween Tekken 4 and 5, why is he still using the Mishima fighting style, despite him clearly unlearning that fighting style? Answer: because it never happened...

I've had this argument about DWs canon validity, why you've tried to use it again is beyond me Samishe...

Incidentally, I cannot pick out a clear winner bitween these fighting game franchises, I do not include the feats of Ninja Gaiden at all because they are from a separate game, Game Mechanica vs Game mechanics... it's a coin toss and what the player is more comfortable with... Character movesets, Hayabusa is definitely a very impressive fighter... My most fond memory was using the spinning Izuna Drop off the edge of the stage and taking off huge amounts of life with him... but I come to a problem... the guys from tekken have Unblockables tat do even more... and very few characters in DOA can do equivelant damage from a single hit...

My oppinionL=Tie, but it would be an AWSOME fight to see & play.

They should make a game out of this, like they did with SNK vs capcom, it would be great 😄

it would PWN!!

but all in that game would get...

LOL!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not... you want an explanation as to why it's not?

The timeline you gave for those events to occur contradict heavily with what is well known Canon. Firstly Ogre never ressurected, the entirety of Devil Within focuses on that fact... Secondly, if it's set bitween Tekken 4 and 5, why is he still using the Mishima fighting style, despite him clearly unlearning that fighting style? Answer: because it never happened...

I've had this argument about DWs canon validity, why you've tried to use it again is beyond me Samishe...

It is canon and I'll explain. As far as I remember you played Tekken 5 (I think you told me you did)
So, Jin do NOT uses Mishima fighting style there, he uses traditional karate all the time. ONLY when he turnes devil jin he uses mishima fighting style. And not only during devil within but also during the gameplay in canon story battle if you play as deivl. So Jin uses traditional karate. Devil jin mishima figthing style. And there is nothing wrong with that since Devil also represents Jin's dark side.
Ogre after being defeated in Tkken 3 dissapeared. He is God, he is immortal so there is nothing wrong that he appears during devil within because Jin searched for his mother and Ogre was the reason why his mother dissapeared. Any other doubts or we done here? Want it or not it IS canon.

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Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What's your point?

That amature Jin is more impressive than trained Ryu.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
When Ogre creates the universe like gurdu call me, For now he's just the God of fighting.
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LOL By your own logic Ryu shouldn't have beaten anyone of them since he never created universes. Creating universes doesn't mean he is taugher than Ogre (by your own logic BTW) So don't bring this useless point.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What can ogre and jinpachi do that ryu can't.[/B]

Destroy the world?? And what's point of this question?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
He made a pact with the devil when heiachi threw him of the cliff, his soul became completely possessed later on. he's similar to murai after he gained the dark dragon blade and ryu was able to overcome him.
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Can't see any simillarity, Kazuya is still the Devil now.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I know jin beat true ogre, show me proof "devil within" was canon because jins mother was killed by ogre during tekken 3 so how could he go looking for her? and ryu can beat jin and devil you haven't proved he can't you just ramble on about how impressive he is and I show you feats that match jin but you won't except it, so I'll ask you what can jin do that ryu can't. [/B]

She wasn't killed, she dissapeared. Because of Ogre BTW.
What can Tyson do that I can't? By this logic I may beat him. You don't except impressive feats so what else do you want? Ryu has a better Ki manipulation. so? You didn't proved anythink either. Only that he could run on water and can fight taugh guys so please...
And I explained why Devil within is canon in post above. Read it please.

If were are simply just talking about gameplay Ryu has this one.

If you want to go on about stories from the games be my guest, I think its a waste of time if you ask me.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not... you want an explanation as to why it's not?

The timeline you gave for those events to occur contradict heavily with what is well known Canon. Firstly Ogre never ressurected, the entirety of Devil Within focuses on that fact... Secondly, if it's set bitween Tekken 4 and 5, why is he still using the Mishima fighting style, despite him clearly unlearning that fighting style? Answer: because it never happened...

I've had this argument about DWs canon validity, why you've tried to use it again is beyond me Samishe...

Incidentally, I cannot pick out a clear winner bitween these fighting game franchises, I do not include the feats of Ninja Gaiden at all because they are from a separate game, Game Mechanica vs Game mechanics... it's a coin toss and what the player is more comfortable with... Character movesets, Hayabusa is definitely a very impressive fighter... My most fond memory was using the spinning Izuna Drop off the edge of the stage and taking off huge amounts of life with him... but I come to a problem... the guys from tekken have Unblockables tat do even more... and very few characters in DOA can do equivelant damage from a single hit...

My oppinionL=Tie, but it would be an AWSOME fight to see & play.

Actually you can include ninja gaiden feats since doa and ninja gaiden are canon with each other the events of ninja gaiden a re mentioned in doa 4.

Originally posted by Sam Z
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LOL By your own logic Ryu shouldn't have beaten anyone of them since he never created universes. Creating universes doesn't mean he is taugher than Ogre (by your own logic BTW) So don't bring this useless point.

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It's not a useless point, ogre is not god he's a mere god.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Destroy the world?? And what's point of this question?

When has jinpachi and jin destroyed the world.

And your explanation about "devil within" is BS it's not canon.

Originally posted by Sam Z
It is canon and I'll explain. As far as I remember you played Tekken 5 (I think you told me you did)
So, Jin do NOT uses Mishima fighting style there, he uses traditional karate all the time. ONLY when he turnes devil jin he uses mishima fighting style. And not only during devil within but also during the gameplay in canon story battle if you play as deivl. So Jin uses traditional karate. Devil jin mishima figthing style. And there is nothing wrong with that since Devil also represents Jin's dark side.
Ogre after being defeated in Tkken 3 dissapeared. He is God, he is immortal so there is nothing wrong that he appears during devil within because Jin searched for his mother and Ogre was the reason why his mother dissapeared. Any other doubts or we done here? Want it or not it IS canon.

I have played all Tekkens... Jin stopped using the Mishima Ryu fighting style after Tekken 3... Jin in DW, even as Normal Jin uses Mishima Ryu, His two sidestep punches are proof of this, he uses the trademark Dragon Godfist, and the Thunder Godfist..

Ogre was destroyed, his body was obliterated after Jin defeated him... He is gone... and for that matter so was Jun, her decapitated head was seen in the opening animation of Tekken 3, I beleive I have proved more than enough that Devil Within is NOT canon, it's no different than Tekken Force being non canon.

Oh yes, and just for argument sake, if DW did happen, it was all in Jin's head, nothing more, a Nightmare at best, absolutely non-canon at worst.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
When has jinpachi and jin destroyed the world.

And I dunno about DW, since I never completed that whole side-quest since it's boring as hell.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
It's not a useless point, ogre is not god he's a mere god.

Mere God?? It is a useless point...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
When has jinpachi and jin destroyed the world.[/B]

Never. It's one of non-canon endings. If Jinpachi wins the tournament he says something like "there is noone left to stand on my way, I'm going to destroy the world now" I doubt he has nuke to do that...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And your explanation about "devil within" is BS it's not canon. [/B]

Why? Coz you don't want it to be? I proved that all doubts about his technique and mother are wrong.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I have played all Tekkens... Jin stopped using the Mishima Ryu fighting style after Tekken 3... Jin in DW, even as Normal Jin uses Mishima Ryu, His two sidestep punches are proof of this, he uses the trademark Dragon Godfist, and the Thunder Godfist..

I'm happy you played Tekken 3. So if you really did played Tekken 5 then you should've noticed that during devil within he uses technique of traditional karate, the same technique he uses during story battle. Replay it and pay attention for it. And as Devil he uses mishima fighting style. And he uses it during the story mode aswell so there is NO point of bringing this as a proof that DW is not canon.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ogre was destroyed, his body was obliterated after Jin defeated him... He is gone... and for that matter so was Jun, her decapitated head was seen in the opening animation of Tekken 3, I beleive I have proved more than enough that Devil Within is NOT canon, it's no different than Tekken Force being non canon.[/B]

Ogre dissapeared, he is capable of teleportation. What makes you think he was really destroyed? He is a God afterall.
And what about Jun, we never seen not her body, nor grave. Not anything. Officially she just dissapeared and even Jin never knew anything about her untill that vision. So that doesn't prove anything too...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh yes, and just for argument sake, if DW did happen, it was all in Jin's head, nothing more, a Nightmare at best, absolutely non-canon at worst. [/B]

May I ask you why should it be nightmare or anything like that? I mean, how did you came to such conlussion?
Oh and since you mentioned Tekken force. Why do you think they didn't made another Tekken force game in Tekken 5 so everyone could play not only with Jin but with his favourite character and why they replace it with Devil within that wasn't that interesting BTW? Because they needed to tell us Jin's story. He is a main character so they wanted us to know what happened after the forth tournament.
I believe I disproved all your "proofs". Sorry but DW IS canon.

Originally posted by IcePunk
I dunno about Jin, but Jinpachi was sure as hell going to 😈 just like Tengu.

And I dunno about DW, since I never completed that whole side-quest since it's boring as hell.

LOL, true it is boring...
BTW Before every fight with Jinpachi (doesn't matter who is yourcter), he starts long boring speech that his goal is to destroy all existance...

Once again Prime comes forth and reveals a prophecy:

"In a time of desperation when the flames of hell engulfed the earth; a vengeful spirit will emerge to halt the Devil's game."

In short...Ryu > Devil

😛

Originally posted by Sam Z
I'm happy you played Tekken 3. So if you really did played Tekken 5 then you should've noticed that during devil within he uses technique of traditional karate, the same technique he uses during story battle. Replay it and pay attention for it. And as Devil he uses mishima fighting style. And he uses it during the story mode aswell so there is NO point of bringing this as a proof that DW is not canon.

You are missing what I said Samishe... Read again. After Tekken 3, he completely unlearned the mishima Ryu fighting style, thats why he has only traditional Karate in Tekken 4, Now according to you, he suddenly gains some of the Mishima Ryu techiques bitween Tekken 4 and 5, AS NORMAL JIN, which I can tell you is either your mistake, or an all out on purpose LIE. Oh and on a side note, why in DW does Jin wear his Tekken 3 costume? Thats just further added proof.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Ogre dissapeared, he is capable of teleportation. What makes you think he was really destroyed? He is a God afterall.
And what about Jun, we never seen not her body, nor grave. Not anything. Officially she just dissapeared and even Jin never knew anything about her untill that vision. So that doesn't prove anything too...

He was disintegrated... Heihachi has some of his dead flesh, he's no ACTUAL god... And as for the Jun thing, I already told you where to find that reference, go see for yourself since you won't take my word for it.

Originally posted by Sam Z
May I ask you why should it be nightmare or anything like that? I mean, how did you came to such conlussion?
Oh and since you mentioned Tekken force. Why do you think they didn't made another Tekken force game in Tekken 5 so everyone could play not only with Jin but with his favourite character and why they replace it with Devil within that wasn't that interesting BTW? Because they needed to tell us Jin's story. He is a main character so they wanted us to know what happened after the forth tournament.
I believe I disproved all your "proofs". Sorry but DW IS canon.

I came to this conclusion based on the fact that Jin's into in Tekken 5 stated that he was loosing himself to the posession of the Devil, Logic would dictate that he would not have had the time to do all the things stated within Devil Within, remember, Tekken 5 takes place within the space of 3 weeks after the end of tekken 4's final match,

Care to "Try and Disprove" my points yet again Sam? or are you done?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You are missing what I said Samishe... Read again. After Tekken 3, he completely unlearned the mishima Ryu fighting style, thats why he has only traditional Karate in Tekken 4, Now according to you, he suddenly gains some of the Mishima Ryu techiques bitween Tekken 4 and 5, AS NORMAL JIN, which I can tell you is either your mistake, or an all out on purpose LIE. Oh and on a side note, why in DW does Jin wear his Tekken 3 costume? Thats just further added proof.

You CAN't unlearn something you've been studying for many years. He didn't unlearned it, he desided to fight in traditional karate to break all ties between him and mishimas. It's said in his intro, he on purpose fights in diferent style. But when he becomes devil he just doesn't care and uses all technique he knows. You can't argue that, even during story mode he fights in mishima fighting style when he is in his devil form. I believe we done with that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He was disintegrated... Heihachi has some of his dead flesh, he's no ACTUAL god... And as for the Jun thing, I already told you where to find that reference, go see for yourself since you won't take my word for it. [/B]

Not deadflash but blood. And it proves nothing, he is God like Raiden in MK or God from legacy of kain. He dissapeared.
And what reference?? Jun dissapeared and it IS official. No boddy, no grave, nothing. AND Jin went to find her.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I came to this conclusion based on the fact that Jin's into in Tekken 5 stated that he was loosing himself to the posession of the Devil, Logic would dictate that he would not have had the time to do all the things stated within Devil Within, remember, Tekken 5 takes place within the space of 3 weeks after the end of tekken 4's final match,[/B]

Actually logic dectates that he WOULD have, devil gene really was consuming him. BUT he particitated in Tekken 5 tournament AS Jin, and it proves he still could controle himself during that time. And he certanly wasn't in his devil form for all the time during T4 and T5 and his intro proves it too, so ANYTHING could happen during that time...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Care to "Try and Disprove" my points yet again Sam? or are you done? [/B]

Sorry DZ but you should come with soemthing more convincing to prove that. All your explanation are or just wrong or based on assuptions.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You CAN't unlearn something you've been studying for many years. He didn't unlearned it, he desided to fight in traditional karate to break all ties between him and mishimas. It's said in his intro, he on purpose fights in diferent style. But when he becomes devil he just doesn't care and uses all technique he knows. You can't argue that, even during [B]story mode he fights in mishima fighting style when he is in his devil form. I believe we done with that.[/B]

Considering he only learned it for five years yeah he can unlearn it.

Originally posted by Sam Z

Not deadflash but blood. And it proves nothing, he is God like Raiden in MK or God from legacy of kain. He dissapeared.
And what reference?? Jun dissapeared and it IS official. No boddy, no grave, nothing. AND Jin went to find her.

And what refrence are you using,word of mouth?

Originally posted by Sam Z

Sorry DZ but you should come with soemthing more convincing to prove that. All your explanation are or just wrong or based on assuptions.

The same can be said for you, what proof do you have it's official.

Originally posted by Sam Z
You CAN't unlearn something you've been studying for many years. He didn't unlearned it, he desided to fight in traditional karate to break all ties between him and mishimas. It's said in his intro, he on purpose fights in diferent style. But when he becomes devil he just doesn't care and uses all technique he knows. You can't argue that, even during [B]story mode he fights in mishima fighting style when he is in his devil form. I believe we done with that.[/B]

You sir, are not making sense, the Devil uses the Mishima style, yes, because that is the most familiar style to the Devil, all previous devils used it, Jin himself however, does not use it period. My argument is, if Jin no longer uses it by Tekken 4, why would NORMAL JIN suddenly take it up again bitween Tekken 4 and 5, AS NORMAL JIN? Answer me that one Sam, and please keep in mind, this is a completely separate argument from the Devil Jin argument.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Not deadflash but blood. And it proves nothing, he is God like Raiden in MK or God from legacy of kain. He dissapeared.
And what reference?? Jun dissapeared and it IS official. No boddy, no grave, nothing. AND Jin went to find her.

Jun DIED, Tekken 3 proves it, Jin watched it with his own eyes... In the Tekken 3 opening Animation, Ogre was holding her Decapitated head... if you missed that, then it's your problem, not mine

Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually logic dectates that he WOULD have, devil gene really was consuming him. BUT he particitated in Tekken 5 tournament AS Jin, and it proves he still could controle himself during that time. And he certanly wasn't in his devil form for all the time during T4 and T5 and his intro proves it too, so ANYTHING could happen during that time...

It would take longer than 3 weeks to get through all the events of Devil Within dude... Your logic is flawed, and you have been proven wrong here.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Sorry DZ but you should come with soemthing more convincing to prove that. All your explanation are or just wrong or based on assuptions.

Hello pot, this is kettle, your black... your saying this even though you use Wiki as a source of official information? please... 🙄