X-Men: The Last Stand Discussion

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why does that make it a good film?

"Look, here you can see some characters." It's like saying The Fast and the Furious is good because you like the cars. They're props, it's a shit movie.

-AC

I never said that X3 was a good film solely because of the cameos. I said that I liked the fact that so many mutants had cameos. And if you think that its a shit movie, thats your opinion. But dont shit on mine. Flawed as it is, I enjoyed this movie, because unlike so very, very many screaming and whining fanboys out there who wont shut the f*ck up and realize that the X-Universe is too complex to compress into 120 minutes, and that NO comic book movie is perfect, I take these movies with a grain of salt. And I happen to know my X-Men, being a collector of 18 years now. Mistakes were made, stories and origins got jumbled and/or misconstrued, but unlike you, I suppose, I never had too high of expectations for this movie. Deal with it. Please.

Originally posted by Impediment
The biggest insults, IMO, were that, one, Jean didnt do anything except take up space until the "showdown" with Logan, and two, Beast didnt have any spectacular scenes. There was SO much potential gone to waste. I DID, however, like the fact that there were a lot more mutant cameos like Multiple Man, Psylocke, Callisto, [B]Marrow , Angel, etc, even if some of them WERE cheap throwaway villains. [/B]

I dont remember seeing Marrow? What scene?

Originally posted by Icicle
I dont remember seeing Marrow? What scene?

Well, it wasnt the female, punk, Morlock that we are all familiar with from the comics, but remember when Logan was infiltrating Magneto's forest campsite, and that dude was throwing those "daggers" of bone that he grew out out his skeleton? That, essentially, is who Marrow is.

Originally posted by Impediment
I never said that X3 was a good film solely because of the cameos. I said that I liked the fact that so many mutants had cameos. And if you think that its a shit movie, thats your opinion. But dont shit on mine. Flawed as it is, I enjoyed this movie, because unlike so very, very many screaming and whining fanboys out there who wont shut the f*ck up and realize that the X-Universe is too complex to compress into 120 minutes, and that NO comic book movie is perfect, I take these movies with a grain of salt. And I happen to know my X-Men, being a collector of 18 years now. Mistakes were made, stories and origins got jumbled and/or misconstrued, but unlike you, I suppose, I never had too high of expectations for this movie. Deal with it. Please.

Spider-Man had changes, Hulk had changes, I'm not saying that changes are bad. Infact, they can often make a movie great. I for one loved Hulk and really enjoy the Spider-Man movies.

Changes and being shit are two totally different things. I hate the whiney fanboys, but ironically it's those who will accept this movie.

I never expected this movie to be good, I knew it would most likely be shit, but the fact that it's so blatantly shit with people acting like it's great, is what confuses me. If you like it, fine, but these people who act like Vinnie Jones was an awesome choice and that Magneto was spot on, are being pathetic.

Also, the guy was supposed to be Spike. Not Marrow.

-AC

Originally posted by Impediment
Well, it wasnt the female, punk, Morlock that we are all familiar with from the comics, but remember when Logan was infiltrating Magneto's forest campsite, and that dude was throwing those "daggers" of bone that he grew out out his skeleton? That, essentially, is who Marrow is.

Oh ok, right I forgot that scene! Thanks 🙂
Would have been alot better if "he" was a she in the film

I just saw the film aerlier and still don't get why Wolverine didn't just 'cure' Jean instead of killing her.

I was disappointed big time with th is flick. Too much info trying to be crammed in a less than two hour movie. There were limitless possibilities with this movie and it seemed rushed. They interviewed Halle Berry and she admitted that everyone was under a huge pressure because of time factors and pressures from the studio, it showed big time!!!!!

Well, I saw the movie on Sat. night with the wife, and we both had the same reaction:

It WTFpwns!

(Well, she "loved it", I say it WTFpwns.)

Funny thing is, I went into it knowing all of the deaths, knowing about bad lines, and un-resolved plot issues.

I was resigned to like it, not love it.

I figured it would be like Jurassic park 3 or Terminator 3: Good films with the same actors, that while not as good as part 2, would still finish out the story and could be counted on for good F/X and action.

But it was far better.

I thouroghly enjoyed this movie, and I feel that the films all are one large body of work.

Ratner did a particularly good job on matching up to X2 (if you look at the whole picture) making 2 and 3 feel like two parts of a 4 hour movie.

The characters were introduced in 1, expanded upon in 2, and brought to a (semi) close in 3.

Part 1 has the fears of the x-men and the firm belief of Magneto that a war between humans and mutants is coming, part 2 it almost happens, part 3 it does (small scale).

It was great in CG effects, it was great in action, and pretty good in acting.

Favorite things:

1.) young Maggs, Xavier, and Jean. (awesome effect, had a smile plastered on the whole time)

2.) the eerie fog at the lake with Cyclops glasses floating mid-air.

3.) Beast. Fraiser nailed it. Closest to my fave version (Fox cartoon) as I could have hoped for. (wanted more Shakespear quotes, but there will be more for him, watch.)

4.) Mystique. Her action, her being "cured", and her betrayal.

5.) Storms fight scenes. (acting has always been out of the question, so lets just take that with a grain of salt.)

6.) The whole sequence at the Grey house was perfect.

7.) All of Ian's lines. Particularly to Pyro: "Watch your mouth you little b*tch, that was my homey." 😛 Seriously though, when he screamed "Charles!!" as Prof X roasted, .... I felt him.

8.) the development of Pyro from whiny brat to bad-ass evil vilian.

9.) the awesome performance of Famke Jansen as a hero who delves fully into her power, becoming an unstoppable evil force. (taking notes Lucas?)

10.) Kitty pride surprised me, I thought she would slow things down with cringeworthiness, but she was earnest and hopefully we see more of her.

11.) Wolverine has all his best fight scenes in this film. (f*ck Uriko!)

Small gripes: Not enough collossus or angel, movie was a little short, a few cheesy lines....

None of which holds a candle to the last 25 min. of the film...

The Brotherhood v.s. the army, the x-men entering the battle, the kitty/Juggs chase, storm v.s Callisto, ICEMAN v.s PYRO, Maggs owned, Logan kills jean, ... and while I knew of the deaths, I managed to be spoiler free about the chess scene at the end, I thought it was a great way to round out Eric's character, to have him all alone, with no powers, no cause, a sad old man with no friend to play chess with him, and then..... THE PIECE MOVED, and the score blared a trumpet or something!

My heart jumped up!.

(all three had good endings.)

1: The dialouge between Chareles and Eric, promising that you will get even more after seeing the first great comic book movie of the 21st century.

2: An "aww man,.... this means Phoenix" anticipation after the bird was in the water.

3: Total surpirse and promise of a new trilogy.

I read somewhere that even folks who like the movie said it wasn't the best, and more like the Return of the Jedi of the series.

Sorry, but I don't buy that bullshit.

More like the Revenge of the Sith of the trilogy! 💃

It took all the set-up of 2, with jean "dying", Wolvie stepping up to stand for the X-men, Pyro joing mags, and the humans deepening conflict/political moves in dealing with the mutants......

and delivered. In spades.

I think that Singer did a good job with intro/setup/deepening/origins/characterization....

and Ratner delivered on that with what we all wanted to see:

An awesome knock-down, drag out multiple mutant battle with powers everywhere....(as opposed to a few, isolated one-on-one fights.)

I'm not being prejuidiced or anything, but I think a gay director does better what singer does: environment/character/set-up

and a straight director like Ratner does the action, fights, and pay-off better.

I'm glad that ratner directed this one, no matter what happens next.

Which given the open possiblities for EVERYONES return (yes, including cyke's, who she could have transported away, or who could have blasted her when her anger kicked in and she stopped holding his lasers back to look lovingly in his eyes, and then lived as a hermit bumbling around the woods with his eyes closed), and given the massive box office, means we could 3 different stories/trilogies, or a good mix of:

The longer phoenix story, Apocolypse, Days of future past, or plain old fashioned Sentinels/registration/pissed off Maggs.

For all the haters:

"Maybe you never should have left."-iceman0dh

Originally posted by InnerRise
So maybe the fact that Ebert and Roeper both gave X3 a Thumbs Up will convince people that this was actually a good movie and some are just being plain nit picky about every little things and not accepting this for what it is....A Movie......Not A Comic Book.

Also people were wondering why Kelly Hu didn't return as Lady Deathstrike and maybe she did die.

Well if you've seen the commercials for the X-Men Game that just came out you'll see that they show Lady Deathstrike fighting Wolverine in some parts so that must mean that she actually didn't die since the Game is suppose to be about what happened between X2 and X3, so maybe she got cut from the movie and just put in the game to show what actually happened to her.

That's right. It's not the comics. It's the movie.

Now I so have got to buy that game. Has anyone here played it? Is it good?

I find it a disgrace because the X-Men fanboy/fangirlism isn't just damaging the movies, it's affecting the comics industry.

Worthwhile series' get cancelled because kids want 90 variations of the X-Men. If it stayed in the movies I wouldn't mind, but it doesn't.

-AC

I thought it was pretty good IMO, however Jean didnt do much of anything...kinda dissappointing.

x-3 was all in all a great X-Men film...and yes its not canon to comics, but does great in blending in arcs to tell a movie story.

But i agree mixed eelings, dialogue went down about three notches. Felt slowed yet rushed: start with two flashbacks, revolve around cure story line, dab a bit in character issues (great to see so many side plots but.... not many developed throughly),and constant reminders of a coming big battle (which did rock).

Felt whole movie focused on the last battle, so it felt long getting to it, but rushed in side plots. Just me maybe.

But dialogue and personal intrigue not on par with X1 or X2.

But saw it twice by Sunday May 28th, fun move but yea a bit off by it

Wolverine movie should take place before X1 in time but not necessairily lead in to the X-Men movies in any way

i don't understand this ....i have not followed the X-MEN comic at all, but why did all these characters die in this movie? i was told all of the 3 that died are still part of the comic. so why is it they were killed off?? oh well!!!!!!!

I saw the movie today and I really liked it. Someone else used the analogy of T3 and I get the same feeling here. It wasn't the best of the trilogy, but it certainly wasn't a bad film. There were enough highlights in the film to perfectly bookend this first trilogy. I particularly liked any of the scenes with Magneto, and the meeting of Charles and Xavier with the adult Jean at her house was great. Juggernaut was a welcome surprise, as was Kitty and Beast. Despite the fact these are all new characters, they still fit perfectly in with the seasoned ones. And "The Last Stand" at Alcatraz was incredible, especially when the X-Men made their dramatic entrance. My only critique was the time of the movie. It was way too short. Some scenes definitely needed to be rounded out more and needed to have more exposition, such as more discussion of the cure at the Mansion, or any of the scenes at the lab or at the Presidential office. I also would've liked to have seen more interaction between the X-men members, and especially between the brotherhood and all of its new members. And on a side note, finally somebody, meaning Multiple Man, acknowledges Mystique's hotness. All three films and he's the only one that cops a look at her. Nightcrawler kind of did that too in X2, but that was never emphasized.

I've been waiting for the movie so much, that I was happy after watching it, but not so much as I've tought.
The script is a mix of the story of Phoenix, the storyline of the false Magneto which was acting undercover as Xorn and the Ultimate series.
Anyway, it was a good movie, I give it a 7, 7.5 at max, but there were some things I didn't liked.
The Juggernaut
Ok, no time to make him like the classical one, explaining his whole origins would have take too much, so they opted for the Ultimate version, but he was used just to show he's the Unstoppable guy, not Logan, who still managed to reach the living room and see Xavier dying, but the "Unstoppable" guy, couldn't defy Jeans telekinesis?It looked crappy to me.Then, the final battle, and the chase of Kitty Pride.
Why Juggy needed to wait for the less powerful mutants being used as meat shield, when he's invulnerable, the needles of the cure can't pierce his skin.Why instead of knocking down himself, they didn't make something better like Logan telling Peter/Colossus to go helping Kitty and show us a real slugfest with he and Marko throwing themselves into walls, superstrong punches, and all the things we would like to see when there are two guys with superstrenght and invulnerability with wreckin attitude?Anyway, Jones portraying Juggy made a good work, and I hope in X-4 and 5 he'll get more fight scenes.
Magneto
Sir Ian McEllen was good as always, I really felt the pain in his voice when he sawed Xavier dying and screamed "CHARLES!".But you just need some plastic and what happens, Magneto is powerless.
A man that can manipulate magnetism doesn't need metal to attack his enemies.He could just hold in mid air all of the soldiers by himself, considering his powers, or pick up metal pieces of the bridge and kill them, if we want to use his powers like they are in the movie.The attack to the convoy was good, Mag really owned here, when he stops the truck he's really badass but I really missed his comic book abilities like the force fields and the concussive force blasts, also why he gets to fly only when he perform big feats?

Colossus
He spokes like 4 times, he perform the fastball, smackdown the Brotherhood minions, and nothing else.
Where is the powerhouse which goes into the core of the battle and show his own?It could have been awesome seeing Colossus walk through the minions and try to reach Magneto and the others on the bridge and Mag with a wave of his hand ordering to Juggernaut:
Stop him!

Multiple Man
He's used to trick the soldiers, nothing else.
With a mutant with those powers, what a waste.
A MM VS Wolverine could have been fun and badass at the same time, Logan kills like a dozen of MM, but 20 more came out and say:
-Try with me.
-Or me.
-Or me.
-We're too much, Wolvie?
Or something like that.

Cyclops
He dies, why?It wasn't needed

Jean Grey/Phoenix
She can destroy anything just by using her mind, but, not one force blast, not one person dying by mind wiping, not one firebird around her.
And how she dies?
Logan kills her cause the heal factor counter the molecular disintegration, appearently.Cool scene, but pretty obvious.

P.S. Look at how Magneto is defeated, Logan tricks him, Beast sneak up on him and use the cure, while in the comic book storyline they used a medicine to stop the effects of the Kick drug.

I must confess, I was surprised that there wasn't a Colossus Vs Juggernaut fight. That really doesn't make any sense to me at all. And I thought there was supposed to be a Storm Vs Phoenix fight as well.

This movie blew it. The Franchise is ruined.
Oh well, they made their money, what was it, 4th highest grossing weekend ever, or something?
Looks like they fooled a lot of us.
Assholes.

I figured this would happen when the Director left.
lol.

The direction blew, the plot was crap, the characters were poorly written.
It was just a convoluted mess of CGI effects and bad fight coreagraphy strung together with all the fanboy cliches they could fit into the timeframe.

....I was lookin at the credits. Kid Omega was in the movie???????! eh I liked the movie, but the shallow character development was bad (and having like 434353 mutants were supposed to know, but they never get named). My only complaint was that considering that it was a movie and cant be directly like the comics.....

i thought the film was decent enough..... but it could have been better.

pheonix was ok, however the deaths of a couple of main characters did kind of dissapoint me, as did others losing their powers. overall a fair film but not as good as i was hoping.... if i had to give it a mark?

6.5/10