Iceman vs Silver Surfer

Lets assume that SS still flesh and blood underneath mixed with the PC. I would have serious doubts that Bobby could manipulate the blood and moisture in SS body because of the PC. Bobby icepowers is not above that of the PC.

The Stranger (1 of the elders of the universe) might have fallen to Bobby
powers but SS is completely diff, his body is design to absorbed limitless ambient energy with all that energy inside his body it would mostlikely block Icemans influence over moisture.

I would imagine there are only a few SPB that could beat Iceman in his full potential and SS is 1 of those few.

Dr. Doom made a machine that over rid the power cosmic.

Then his robot did the same thing to him.

Dr. Doom made a machine that over rid the power cosmic.

Then his robot did the same thing to him.

When he is in most vulnerable state crybaby 😄 (emotionally), but as soon as he realized what was happening well check out what he did to them. Dr. Doom also manage to steal the Beyonders own power and he makes SS look like a pansy in terms of power level, Doom cant be understamated 🙂 .

Originally posted by Rols
When he is in most vulnerable state crybaby 😄 (emotionally), but as soon as he realized what was happening well check out what he did to them. Dr. Doom also manage to steal the Beyonders own power and he makes SS look like a pansy in terms of power level, Doom cant be understamated 🙂 .

yeah doom is pretty strong

but anyways i say ss takes it

Surfers soooo emo. He gives Superboy Prime a run for his money.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Cable

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman

SS, Cable, Iceman stats.
Mutants are becoming more and more powerfull.

Two words .... Crushed Ice .

'nuff said.

haha...U make funny 😐

This is a joke... right?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
haha...U make funny 😐

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He's from a humaniod race.

I have scans of Deadpool having his whole chest ripped out and there was no blood.

This was before he had the amped up healing factor.

Just because they don't show a character bleeding doesn't mean they don't.

When does he use cosmic awareness in a fight?

I know he has it, but I've never seen him use it in a fight.

He rarely uses speed in a fight.

Most of his fights are at a stand still.

humanoid is not human and if a scene SHOWS a character not bleeding, that must be taken into account or discarded as pis. in any event, he usually employs cosmic awareness before a fight, though he has used it during as well. one instance off the top of my head -- he discerned gladiator's weakness making the fight unnecessary. during a battle with hulk he used it to figure out the easiest way to beat hulk. he also used it to synthesize the odinpower to some extent. i could find others by looking through my books or perhaps the respect thread, but we both agree he has it and there are a couple examples of him using it.

combat speed has always been a bit suspect for ss, but reaction speed and the occasional speedblitz have not been. nor has has his ability to process information at superspeeds.

his transutation skills are well documented as well. he can either attack bobby's dna directly (maybe rendering his x-gene innert) or he could directly impact his ice or moisture form even if he somehow exists sans dna. again, i could show scans, but i don't think there is a need and there are likely several examples in the respect thread.

in a forum battle: ss discerns the nature of bobby's powers via cosmic awareness, attacks at ss speeds and transmutes him. even if bobby gets a chance to affect him (which would be a pis situation in this forum) there is still no guarantee that bobby's control over ss would be greater than ss's control over himself, or that ss wouldn't have a chance to retaliate and negate bobby's attack by simply transmuting him. i would say ss easily crushes him, but that showing against stranger IS pretty impressive (if still somewhat inexplicable to me . . .) but regardless, given ss's powerset and given forum rules, there is almost still next to no chance iceman can win this fight. and any chance he does have makes many unproveable assumptions.

Why did this get to ten pages?
Surfer owns Iceman, anywhere, anytime.

Originally posted by Juntai
Why did this get to ten pages?
Surfer owns Iceman, anywhere, anytime.

i have no idea . . . 😕

Originally posted by leonidas
humanoid is not human and if a scene SHOWS a character not bleeding, that must be taken into account or discarded as pis.

Yes hes not a earth human, but his race was meant to mirror humans.

Flesh and Blood

Originally posted by leonidas
attacks at ss speeds

The problem with that is he doesn't attack at super speed unless he is flying straight at the person/thing.

I think you think he would fight like how the Flash does or something or Superman.

Originally posted by leonidas
even if bobby gets a chance to affect him (which would be a pis situation in this forum)

No it really wouldn't be a pis situation, actually I would aruge that him not have a chance to attack would be pis, since there are soooo many fights where he is attcked.

I've never seen him flying at his super speed transmutating people/things in fights.

Most of the time if not all hes touching the thing hes transmutating and hes usually stoped and concentreating well doing it.

So when hes stopped whats stopping Bobby from flash freezing him?

I don't see any reason why not, Dooms machine over rid Surfers power twice and Bobbys been shown freezing high level cosmic beings.

If a machine could override it a omega level mutant could.

So thats two times thats its been shown Surfer can get his power override and two times that Bobby's been able to override a high level cosmic being and freeze them.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Yes hes not a earth human, but his race was meant to mirror humans.

Flesh and Blood

The problem with that is he doesn't attack at super speed unless he is flying straight at the person/thing.

I think you think he would fight like how the Flash does or something or Superman.

No it really wouldn't be a pis situation, actually I would aruge that him not have a chance to attack would be pis, since there are soooo many fights where he is attcked.

I've never seen him flying at his super speed transmutating people/things in fights.

Most of the time if not all hes touching the thing hes transmutating and hes usually stoped and concentreating well doing it.

So when hes stopped whats stopping Bobby from flash freezing him?

I don't see any reason why not, Dooms machine over rid Surfers power twice and Bobbys been shown freezing high level cosmic beings.

If a machine could override it a omega level mutant could.

So thats two times thats its been shown Surfer can get his power override and two times that Bobby's been able to override a high level cosmic being and freeze them.

his race was meant to mirror humans? 😕 they likely existed before humans and they certainly evolved long before us. galactus's race LOOKS human as well. do they 'mirror' us as well even though they existed in the universe preceding ours? you're still making assumptions that zenn-lanns have a physiology similar to humans which may or may not be the case.

and you're also saying that ss is incapable of attacking at superman or flash speeds? i think it was a battle against deathurge where he circled him faster than light blasting him. he's carried a quinjet across the cosmos transmuting the interior so it held breathable air all while moving at lightspeed. he's capable of moving quicker than either flash or superman. again, there are examples of his processing thoughts at superspeed and reacting in time measured in nanoseconds. just because he doesn't do so all the time doesn't mean he can't. for forum purposes, if bobby attacks him it is pis. hell, ss has actually manipulated time itself. he's also stalemated stranger on 2 occasions (more inconsistency from stranger) and stopped many other from absorbing his powers or affecting him directly. if omega level cable couldn't overcome him, why would bobby be able to?

ss wouldn't even have to move to win this fight. cosmic awareness lets him know bobby's powers, ss transmutes him battle over. even the scans of him freezing stranger were not instantaneous. in the time it took to freeze him ss could transmute him and render him ineffective, or transmute the ice that forms inside him or on himjust as he was instantly repairing damage done by him and cable in their fight. perhaps in a comic iceman would get benefit of an attack, (not that it would necessarily do him much good) but not in the forums he has no such luck. there is even a question over who would have better control of the ice. ss's done much more detailed manipulation skills, and his skills should exceed bobby's. ss may very well be capable at beating bobby at his own game and simply freezing HIM! now THAT would be ironic.

I have a question....

How will Iceman freeze a guy that can survive in the vacuum of space?

well lets look at this again.....Space is three degrees ABOVE absolute zero. Meaning that molecules still move in space. Iceman can reach levels of absolute zero, thus creating no movement in molecules whatsoever.

Side note:

Please read this link:
http://www.thekeep.org/~tls/omega-bob.htm

To me what the guy says makes perfect sense. What if Iceman is more adept at controlling mouisture (due to the limited knowledge he really has about his powers, he thinks that ice equals water, and thus only thinks he can freeze water) but he can really freeze other things? Freeze being defined as the stopping of moving molecules.....just a theory, but the guy makes more sense then me...go read it

What Kahn posted here earlier pretty much shows how SS can simply deal with Bobby.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
If a machine could override it a omega level mutant could.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well lets look at this again.....Space is three degrees ABOVE absolute zero. Meaning that molecules still move in space. Iceman can reach levels of absolute zero, thus creating no movement in molecules whatsoever.

Side note:

Please read this link:
http://www.thekeep.org/~tls/omega-bob.htm

To me what the guy says makes perfect sense. What if Iceman is more adept at controlling mouisture (due to the limited knowledge he really has about his powers, he thinks that ice equals water, and thus only thinks he can freeze water) but he can really freeze other things? Freeze being defined as the stopping of moving molecules.....just a theory, but the guy makes more sense then me...go read it

It's all about tapping the untapped. But if every mutant went ahead and did that things would get really boring.

Originally posted by leonidas
his race was meant to mirror humans? 😕 they likely existed before humans and they certainly evolved long before us. galactus's race LOOKS human as well. do they 'mirror' us as well even though they existed in the universe preceding ours? you're still making assumptions that zenn-lanns have a physiology similar to humans which may or may not be the case.

The creators of the comic meant for them to be.....

Really though, I've shown enough pics that support that.😕

Do you have any that say otherwise?

Originally posted by leonidas
and you're also saying that ss is incapable of attacking at superman or flash speeds? i think it was a battle against deathurge where he circled him faster than light blasting him.

Well did it say how fast he was going?

I never said he couldn't attack at Superman and Flash speeds.

I said I've never seen him doing it like them in diffrent directions and being all over the place as they do it.

Its still in a forward motion, its not like how Superman and Flash do it.

Do you expect Bobby to just sit their and be attacked.

Originally posted by leonidas
he's carried a quinjet across the cosmos transmuting the interior so it held breathable air all while moving at lightspeed.

Yeah it was moving the same speed as him well he was touching it.

That doesn't prove he can do it to something thats not moving the same speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
for forum purposes, if bobby attacks him it is pis.

No it isn't, its pis that he wouldn't be able to since attackers do it all the time.

Originally posted by leonidas
he's also stalemated stranger on 2 occasions (more inconsistency from stranger)

No he didn't.

One fight Stranger ended it for outside reasons and the other a skrull ship intervend.

Thats not a stalemate.

A stalemate is when they just fight and fight till there tired.

Originally posted by leonidas
and stopped many other from absorbing his powers or affecting him directly.

And theres many times that say otherwise.

Originally posted by leonidas
if omega level cable couldn't overcome him, why would bobby be able to?

Cable didn't, that doesn't mean he couldn't.

Do you really think writers were actually going to let Cable take over the Marvel earth?

Originally posted by leonidas
even the scans of him freezing stranger were not instantaneous. in the time it took to freeze him ss could transmute him and render him ineffective, or transmute the ice that forms inside him

Stranger could've done that to, but didn't.

Originally posted by leonidas
he was instantly repairing damage done by him and cable in their fight.

It wasn't just Surfer doing it, Cable was doing it aswell.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is even a question over who would have better control of the ice. ss's done much more detailed manipulation skills, and his skills should exceed bobby's.

Did you know omega level mutant means ultimate and unlimited power?