Iceman vs Silver Surfer

Started by Blair Wind12 pages
Originally posted by Accel
Eh, it's not all bad. The Iceman advocates brought up some good points before. None of them are mindless fanboys or anything.

Thank you.....

that's cool -- i can actually live with that. imo ss's speed (something stranger does NOT possess) makes even that one win difficult though.

in a book, i imagine bobby likely WOULD give ss some trouble, but i also see ss being able to resist bobby's attacks. i don't think bobby flash freezes him and it's over -- or maybe he would but ss would end up breaking free of his control. stranger has not shown the level of matter manipulation ss has. to say iceman's control of matter exceeds ss's just doesn't seem feasible to me. and even if the macro-level (the 'power level'😉 is similar, ss's experience and precision would likely supercede iceman's.

i'll give you credit bw -- you stirred up quite a little cauldron. but, while i can see him possibly taking superman (though i contend supes could also take him via speed much like ss) and perhaps even thor (though again, it's possible thor might resist long enough to counterattack) ss's powerset is what gives him this fight, imo. as for bobby -- we need more evidence. the character you've painted shouldn't be part of a team. he should be single-handedly crushing EVERYONE. has he been defeated since this powerup?

Thank you too. And I can live with your opinion. As to the question, yes but not completely. The fact of the matter is that hes been having nothing but bad luck (Romance wise, Power wise [second mutation, no mutation, then he himself willed himself NOT to have powers but they got it back....]. He hasnt had a chance to really shine with the stories being mostly about Havok, Polaris, Gambit and Rouge and only having Iceman for the romance in the book.

Although people having been talkin about House of M Iceman like he was something special. Anyone know anything about this?? I didnt get the series.

Originally posted by leonidas

so does that unlimited tag apply to only iceman, then, or did cable just get the short end of the unltd stick?

and bw -- it is an interesting theory, but just that -- theory.


Every thing was right except this part.Cable,as strong as he is doesn't have unlimited potenial because he's not an omega mutant.The easy way to tell the difference between massively poweful Alpha mutants like Cable and Magneto is if their body's can't contain and maintain their highest power levels without burning out like Joeseph and X-man.

oh. okay. i was going by what others were calling him. wasn't he referenced as an omega level mutant in that book?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I think lots of people underestimate Bobby because he used to throw snowballs.

The potential to become that powerful is true and all, but Iceman (and by that I mean a CURRENT iceman, HAS frozen the stranger) If Icemans powers are to be understood as freezing molecules rather than just mouisture, being able to exist as one with no body and all the other Omega benifits he gets as of right now then I think he can pull a win (at the very least one, the stranger being proof that he can). However at current MINDSET INDUCED power levels, SS would win. Thats what I think.


Freezing molecules is nothing new.

SS has done similar stuff to molecule infact he effect entire population and fixed a virus at a molecular level.

Note: also to show how much control he had said one slip and he could have destroyed all of them.

and Stranger is suppose to be a Power Full Cosmic but he does job a lot ........ he gets hurt when he is not suppose to.

Also is u referring to the Phoenix sage where eternity talks to the Phoenix.

Because that was made in 2003

In a comic made is 2004 Avengers, X-men , and other other forces combined couldn't take on the Defenders

and who was askin if Bobby had DNA when he was in Ice Form (more importantly in his "I have no need for a body" form?)

because to me this is evidence that he actually turns INTO a spread out concsiuisness with no DNA:

Sentinals are known for scanning and detecting mutants (even if they are spread out, if their is a mutant signature then they should detect them yes?) Then how come none of them Sentinals could detect Bobby right after they had "terminated" him:

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Well I think Ice man will win

That freezing might have work with stranger but SS is completly diff body structure and that fight was bogus ive seen stranger do more impressive feat than that, its like he had only 5% of his power. Just because 1 has blood or moisture in his body does not mean Bobby could just freeze them let alone someone with near limitless energy at his disposal, and the ability to affect the molecular arangement around him. That would mean he could freeze people like Odin, Thanos, The elders of the universe, that would be pretty silly. You guys have totally gone put icemans powers out of context. I mean he could probably affect other humans, mutants but not cosmic entities that would control the ambient energies of the universe, again that fight with the stranger was bogus, i mean this guy is probably just below Galactus level and he friggin got frozen. Just my 2 cent.

i recokn ss will win cause' even though bobby was an omega level mutant he never reached his full potential (i think i read it somewhere) so in that case his power has the potential to be limitless but he never got to that potential whereas the ss powers are cosmic and given to him by galactus which basicly means he pwns iceman