Originally posted by Rols
Which X-men issue did this happen. What is ambient moisture?
X-men forever, vs the Collective Men (I think thats them? Eight crazy monks?), and while he was in hell with nightcrawlers father.
It could be that Bobby transmutes his human body back and forth between solid ice and human form and the only think keeping him from being an immortal, incorporeal ice spectre is he can't get past the notion that he needs a body to survive
I happen to agree with that statement, and goes along with GS's explaination of what an Omega mutant really is.
I still dont get it as far as i know Bobby is a mutant, evolved from homosapien not a deity, he doesnt get energy from an unlimeted source.
However as an Omega mutant he does have unlimited powers. Bobby is the ultimate underachiever. Hes had other people prod him into the right direction all his life, but he himself doesnt believe that he can do what he really can. The first time he turned into just water, Prosh made him do it. He couldnt wrap his head around the fact that he can survive as something without a human shape.
Originally posted by leonidas
um, guys, not one person has said iceman wins. the posts are actually discussing how his powers work. not exactly on topic, but a good discussion nonetheless . . .
Then again I have yet to see anyone prove that SS has any advantage over the Stranger (isnt he higher on the food chain?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_(comics)
Stranger has vast energy manipulating powers, and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Beings
he might even be part of the living tribunal......he has a weird history.
stranger is an odd character though. marvel seems not to know what to do with him. he does however appear to be more humanoid than ss. he has defeated ss on at least one occasion and was shown to be his superior on another, but he has also been shown to be below pluto and on another occasion seemed more on par with quasar. so it's hard to tell.
ss doesn't need to be 'above' him though. if ss has no water in his blood that bobby can manipulate, then he can't really do much to ss who would still be able to take bobby out in a few ways. it seems very unlikely to me that ss would have anything inside him that bobby could affect. galactus would have completely recreated him and ensured that he had no reason to need food or water as he travelled space for thousands of years. one scan seems to show he can bleed, but that was based on a magical attack so i'm not sure about its reliability. illadelph was right when he said that on other occasions he was shown NOT to bleed as well.
guess it all depends on how you believe ss is made up. even if he CAN bleed, though, ss could STILL beat him.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Thats not that big a deal.I've seen many characters who everybody knows does bleed not show blood.
😑 The point that Leo is making (I believe) is that the vast majority of relevant instances that Surfer's insides have been depicted show him as not having blood. The only case where blood has been depicted as being inside of him involved magic (and could perhaps be disregarded anyway as it contradicts previously established continuity). Therefore I do not think it would be sound reason to assume that Bobby could do anything to the Surfer based on a single and seemingly inconsistent scan.
Originally posted by TheKahn
😑 The point that Leo is making (I believe) is that the vast majority of relevant instances that Surfer's insides have been depicted show him as not having blood. The only case where blood has been depicted as being inside of him involved magic (and could perhaps be disregarded anyway as it contradicts previously established continuity). Therefore I do not think it would be sound reason to assume that Bobby could do anything to the Surfer based on a single and seemingly inconsistent scan.
I know that.
It coulda been because of the comics code that they didn't show it in that one other instance that they didn't show blood.
Just becasue it didn't show it that time doesn't mean he doesn't.
those are good points, but ss is NOT human. is zenn-lann blood analagous to our own? why assume it is? i can recall 2 instances off hand where ss's body was all cracked open but he did not bleed. perhaps he has trace amounts of moisture? i don't know but it's at best a debateable point.
even assuming he has some moisture (why he would i don't know) but then you must assume bobby's control over ss's own body is greater than ss's. given ss's feats i see no reason to believe that to be true, regardless of what he did to the stranger. and even if he did control some of it, you'd need to assume ss would be completely unable to react despite his cosmic awareness and speed. don't forget, ss has altered and manipulated matter at the atomic levels in the past, and even tampered with dna.
added up, i, like everyone else, see no chance for bobby to win.
Originally posted by leonidas
those are good points, but ss is NOT human. is zenn-lann blood analagous to our own? why assume it is? i can recall 2 instances off hand where ss's body was all cracked open but he did not bleed.
He's from a humaniod race.
I have scans of Deadpool having his whole chest ripped out and there was no blood.
This was before he had the amped up healing factor.
Just because they don't show a character bleeding doesn't mean they don't.
Originally posted by leonidas
even assuming he has some moisture (why he would i don't know) but then you must assume bobby's control over ss's own body is greater than ss's. given ss's feats i see no reason to believe that to be true, regardless of what he did to the stranger. and even if he did control some of it, you'd need to assume ss would be completely unable to react despite his cosmic awareness and speed.
When does he use cosmic awareness in a fight?
I know he has it, but I've never seen him use it in a fight.
He rarely uses speed in a fight.
Most of his fights are at a stand still.
