Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
People here were claiming that Iceman froze Stranger....Isn't stranger far higher on the cosmic scale than SS?
you beat me to it!
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i wonder about that scene with stranger though. i've seen the scan where he freezes, but . . . what followed? was that the end? bobby froze him and beat him? or did stranger smash out a moment later? it only stands to reason that bobby could freeze stranger, imo. he just froze the air around him. i suspect supes could do the same thing to the stranger. thing is, did he STAY frozen? bobby could likley dreeze ss as well - if he could hit him -- but again, that wouldn't end the fight because ss could smash out.
so . . . what DID happen AFTER stranger was frozen? did he stay froze or did he blast out?
oh, and how would ss kill him? he'd transmute him then scatter the individual atoms across the universe or banish some o this dimension and others to that dimension preventing his consciousness from reforming. 😉
Originally posted by TheKahnFirst off. Absolute Zero is a THEORY, IT DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST, the natural radiation [Microradiation and otherwise] of the universe itself forces a temperature of at least 3 degrees above absolute zero anywhere. Absolute Zero would require the absense of this. Lots of characters can survive this. LOTS of them. Characters like Superman and Thor fly through the void of space like this on the regular, 3 degrees off of absolute zero, the coldest it gets in the known universe.
Surfer wins 10/10. Being a space traveler the Surfer would routinely be exposed to temperatures near to or at absolute zero. Being that he is an alien who has been transformed by Galactus with the power cosmic, I highly doubt it can be said for certain that he even has water molecules in his body or that Iceman's control over them would be greater than his own.Now exactly how the Surfer will beat Iceman is a good question given Iceman's ability to transfer his consciousness. The obvious answer to me is for the Surfer to transmute all of the nearby water vapor into other elements. The reason he could pull this off while other characters might not be able to is that his powers would prevent Iceman from actually harming him. Lacking some form of a telepathic attack, the best way to counter Iceman's powers, imo, is to have some form of resistance to low temperature + control over their own molecules. Since the Surfer has both of these, it is only a matter of time before he eventually takes out Iceman.
Next, I believe Surfer would just as easily trap or disperse his consciousness if he needed to and had the will to do so.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Surfer wins 10/10. Being a space traveler the Surfer would routinely be exposed to temperatures near to or at absolute zero. Being that he is an alien who has been transformed by Galactus with the power cosmic, I highly doubt it can be said for certain that he even has water molecules in his body or that Iceman's control over them would be greater than his own.
Surfer has blood.
The silver coating is what protects him on the outside.
Originally posted by leonidas
😠you beat me to it!
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i wonder about that scene with stranger though. i've seen the scan where he freezes, but . . . what followed? was that the end? bobby froze him and beat him? or did stranger smash out a moment later? it only stands to reason that bobby could freeze stranger, imo. he just froze the air around him. i suspect supes could do the same thing to the stranger. thing is, did he STAY frozen? bobby could likley dreeze ss as well - if he could hit him -- but again, that wouldn't end the fight because ss could smash out.
so . . . what DID happen AFTER stranger was frozen? did he stay froze or did he blast out?
oh, and how would ss kill him? he'd transmute him then scatter the individual atoms across the universe or banish some o this dimension and others to that dimension preventing his consciousness from reforming. 😉
Agreed. I'm still not in agreement with this "uber" bobby anyway. If he's a disembodied conscience, then he can't be a mutant. Being a mutant entails that one has DNA. If one has DNA, then he can be hurt physically somehow. While I agree bobby has excellent potential, I doubt he's anywhere near the god level they have been trying to portray him as.
SS wins. He uses power pis to turn off Bobbys mutant gene.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindI think a lot of his power, is used out of context on the forum. When was the last time Bobby anything remotely close to the stuff people have claimed he can do over the last year?
Agreed. I'm still not in agreement with this "uber" bobby anyway. If he's a disembodied conscience, then he can't be a mutant. Being a mutant entails that one has DNA. If one has DNA, then he can be hurt physically somehow. While I agree bobby has excellent potential, I doubt he's anywhere near the god level they have been trying to portray him as.SS wins. He uses power pis to turn off Bobbys mutant gene.
Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder about that scene with stranger though. i've seen the scan where he freezes, but . . . what followed? was that the end? bobby froze him and beat him? or did stranger smash out a moment later? it only stands to reason that bobby could freeze stranger, imo. he just froze the air around him. i suspect supes could do the same thing to the stranger. thing is, did he STAY frozen? bobby could likley dreeze ss as well - if he could hit him -- but again, that wouldn't end the fight because ss could smash out.so . . . what DID happen AFTER stranger was frozen? did he stay froze or did he blast out?
oh, and how would ss kill him? he'd transmute him then scatter the individual atoms across the universe or banish some o this dimension and others to that dimension preventing his consciousness from reforming. 😉
The first time Iceman froze Stranger, he made him brittle and Juggy smashed him. As Stranger's bottom half was in pieces as he lay on the ground, he said..... "Matter is random, anarrangement of parts. Rearrange the pieces." "Create a new puzzle." Stranger then turned himself into flames/fire and took Juggy and Jean into space.
Second time, Stranger was hit by Juggs, but when he went to use fire/heat beams on Cain, Bobby froze his heat/fire beam. I assume Stranger was in some sort of pain by the "AAAGH!". While Stranger tried to break the ice from his eyes, Bobby Flash froze his body completely(unlike the first time). As Jean, Toad, Juggy and Mystique escaped the ship as it crumbled, Bobby remained in the ship to make sure Stranger remained immobile.
So in answer to your question leo, Stranger was unable to break out and Bobby saw to that as the others escaped. Thing is however, such a being as Stranger may have broken out within seconds if Bobby had not stayed there. With Iceman there to make sure it didnt happen while the others left allows me to believe Iceman pretty much had him beat. Or would it be called a stalemate because Stranger wasnt killed or badly injured?
Originally posted by Juntai
First off. Absolute Zero is a THEORY, IT DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST, the natural radiation [Microradiation and otherwise] of the universe itself forces a temperature of at least 3 degrees above absolute zero anywhere. Absolute Zero would require the absense of this. Lots of characters can survive this. LOTS of them. Characters like Superman and Thor fly through the void of space like this on the regular, 3 degrees off of absolute zero, the coldest it gets in the known universe.Next, I believe Surfer would just as easily trap or disperse his consciousness if he needed to and had the will to do so.
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Very true. I must apologize as I was apparently too lazy to look up if temperatures at absolute zero actually occur in nature (although I did put near in my other post just to cover my ass). I only meant that post to convey my thoughts on whether Iceman could actually harm the Surfer in any way. As I think Iceman cannot, it is only a matter of time before the Surfer pulls out one of his more exotic powers and wins the fight such as imprisoning Iceman in his board:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
Originally posted by Juntai
I think a lot of his power, is used out of context on the forum. When was the last time Bobby anything remotely close to the stuff people have claimed he can do over the last year?
I do think that sometimes Icemans powers are used a bit out of context. When was the last time he did those things? Years maybe. Would i say he cant do it anymore? Naw. Would i say its much harder for him to now? Yes. I think thats only due to his lack of storyline and character usage. Over the years however(about 10 or so) he HAS been shown to do things close to waht he did to Stranger. He just hasnt done it to people/beings on that level of Strnager if thats what you mean. I do still think hes still well capable of doing those feats, but like i said nowe it may be a bit harder for him due to the recent power situtatioins going on with him lately.
Edit: Be back later. Going to go see X3.😄
Originally posted by jrodslam
I do think that sometimes Icemans powers are used a bit out of context. When was the last time he did those things? Years maybe. Would i say he cant do it anymore? Naw. Would i say its much harder for him to now? Yes. I think thats only due to his lack of storyline and character usage. Over the years however(about 10 or so) he HAS been shown to do things close to waht he did to Stranger. He just hasnt done it to people/beings on that level of Strnager if thats what you mean. I do still think hes still well capable of doing those feats, but like i said nowe it may be a bit harder for him due to the recent power situtatioins going on with him lately.Edit: Be back later. Going to go see X3.😄
Originally posted by TheKahnI was just clearing up the confusion, not trying to be scathing or anything.
😮Very true. I must apologize as I was apparently too lazy to look up if temperatures at absolute zero actually occur in nature (although I did put near in my other post just to cover my ass). I only meant that post to convey my thoughts on whether Iceman could actually harm the Surfer in any way. As I think Iceman cannot, it is only a matter of time before the Surfer pulls out one of his more exotic powers and wins the fight such as imprisoning Iceman in his board:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg
And yeah, like the board, once he lets loose, Ice man would have no chance.
Look at his showing in the latest annihilation for example. He was attacked by those guys with the negative version of the power cosmic, and then was like "YOU CANT COMPREHEND THE POWER I WIELD!!" and it showed a panoramic of Surfer just created a massive bubble of energy, looked maybe about city sized... then just floated out.
However, a few pages earlier, some dog like alien creatures knocked him off his board and were kicking his ass.
Originally posted by Juntai
I was just clearing up the confusion, not trying to be scathing or anything.And yeah, like the board, once he lets loose, Ice man would have no chance.
Look at his showing in the latest annihilation for example. He was attacked by those guys with the negative version of the power cosmic, and then was like "YOU CANT COMPREHEND THE POWER I WIELD!!" and it showed a panoramic of Surfer just created a massive bubble of energy, looked maybe about city sized... then just floated out.However, a few pages earlier, some dog like alien creatures knocked him off his board and were kicking his ass.
Originally posted by Juntai
No, it wasn't a black hole. He just bubbled up energy and flew off.
It indeed was a Black hole here's the word straight from Thanos.
Thanos-
"It is a Singularity Blackhole--Brought about by the Silver Surfer's Energy Dischange".
"Do not say "Hungry hole" again if you value your continued Existence".
Skreet was reffering to it as a hungry hole until Thanos corrected her with the above Quote........ 🙂
Here's the scan I just found in the respect thread.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilationsilversurfer10196y.jpg
