Iceman vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Juntai
I was just clearing up the confusion, not trying to be scathing or anything.

And yeah, like the board, once he lets loose, Ice man would have no chance.
Look at his showing in the latest annihilation for example. He was attacked by those guys with the negative version of the power cosmic, and then was like "YOU CANT COMPREHEND THE POWER I WIELD!!" and it showed a panoramic of Surfer just created a massive bubble of energy, looked maybe about city sized... then just floated out.

However, a few pages earlier, some dog like alien creatures knocked him off his board and were kicking his ass.

It's cool. It was my fault for being careless with my reasoning, and all you did was just clear it up 🙂. And if the Surfer can now create black holes then Iceman is even more screwed. Surfer 100000000000/10.

But could Iceman's consciousness be sucked within a black hole ?

Originally posted by Skeets
It indeed was a Black hole here's the word straight from Thanos.

Thanos-
"It is a Singularity Blackhole--Brought about by the Silver Surfer's Energy Dischange".
"Do not say "Hungry hole" again if you value your continued Existence".

Skreet was reffering to it as a hungry hole until Thanos corrected her with the above Quote........ 🙂
Here's the scan I just found in the respect thread.
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilationsilversurfer10196y.jpg

Funny, now I've pulled it out.

On the page after that, Skreet says she beat up Surfer before. lol. "Surferer! Knows THAT one, Skreet does. Laid a clobberin on that one a good ways back. HATES Him!"

Funny how it seems to take off right after the Thanos 12 issues ended off.

Originally posted by grey fox
But could Iceman's consciousness be sucked within a black hole ?

Originally posted by Juntai
The moisture could.

I know that , what I'm asking though is would Bobby's consciousness . Because if it doesn't then he could just float back to another piece of moisture.

Originally posted by grey fox
I know that , what I'm asking though is would Bobby's consciousness . Because if it doesn't then he could just float back to another piece of moisture.

Originally posted by TheKahn
It's cool. It was my fault for being careless with my reasoning, and all you did was just clear it up 🙂. And if the Surfer can now create black holes then Iceman is even more screwed. Surfer 100000000000/10.

i'm gonna disagree with you jun. i think bobby could achieve absolute zero -- the cessation of molecular activity. the space example is not great because that is an OUTSIDE temperature. bobby attacks an INDIVIDUAL'S molecular structure. it's just his 'power'. has nothing to do with real life or real life science. i don't think it would help him much in this case though . . .

oh and jrod -- CONGRATS! and thanks for filling in the blanks for me re: the stranger. if he DID keep him frozen that is impressive. the fact that he had to remain behind is a bit telling. more say he can cast his consciousness into any moisture. were that so completely the case he would not have had to remain there but could have controlled the ice from wherever he was.

Oh my. People actually believe Iceman can beat Silver Surfer. This can only happen on killermovies.com

I guess, after the Iceman vs Thor and Iceman vs Superman threads, this thread was inevitable. So, for the third time...

"If one can take a single-power person, like Iceman, to the Nth degree, such that he defeats the Stranger (and, btw, could he consistently beat the Stranger? doubtful, unless the Stranger is an idiot to the Nth degree), then imagine taking a multi-power individual, like the Silver Surfer, to the Nth degree.

"All else being equal, Iceman--while having the potential to defeat the Silver Surfer--is Not the Surfer's superior."

Surfer 8/10 (and that's being kind).

so basically bobby's power is revealed to be "inhabiting ice with his consciousness thereby being able to control and create ice."

when was this revealed?

Originally posted by Mindship
I guess, after the Iceman vs Thor and Iceman vs Superman threads, this thread was inevitable. So, for the third time...

"If one can take a single-power person, like Iceman, to the Nth degree, such that he defeats the Stranger (and, btw, could he consistently beat the Stranger? doubtful, unless the Stranger is an idiot to the Nth degree), then imagine taking a multi-power individual, like the Silver Surfer, to the Nth degree.

"All else being equal, Iceman--while having the potential to defeat the Silver Surfer--is Not the Surfer's superior."

Surfer 8/10 (and that's being kind).

only prob with this argument is bobby has been shown REACHING the nth (near nth) degree on several occasions . . . the others have their high showings of course, but are not consistently depicted at their . . . nth, er, degree-ness . . . 😮

Originally posted by Juntai
First off. Absolute Zero is a THEORY, IT DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST, the natural radiation [Microradiation and otherwise] of the universe itself forces a temperature of at least 3 degrees above absolute zero anywhere.

I'd like to take this one step further, if I may.
Even if you could eliminate the cosmic background radiation of space, you still could not achieve absolute zero because of the Uncertainty Principle. The Uncertainty Principle--a basic foundation of quantum mechanics--states that one can not know (for example) both the momentum of a given particle and its position, which the complete cessation of all atomic/subatomic activity would allow one to do.

Furthermore, whether one is talking about "outer space" or the space within an atom (and atoms are mostly empty space), you still could not get absolute zero because the Uncertainty Principle also allows for quantum-vacuum fluctuations, also known as zero-point energy (that's why it is called "zero-point," a reference to absolute zero).

Originally posted by Mindship
I'd like to take this one step further, if I may.
Even if you could eliminate the cosmic background radiation of space, you still could not achieve absolute zero because of the Uncertainty Principle. The Uncertainty Principle--a basic foundation of quantum mechanics--states that one can not know (for example) both the momentum of a given particle and its position, which the complete cessation of all atomic/subatomic activity would allow one to do.

Furthermore, whether one is talking about "outer space" or the space within an atom (and atoms are mostly empty space), you still could not get absolute zero because the Uncertainty Principle also allows for quantum-vacuum fluctuations, also known as zero-point energy (that's why it is called "zero-point," a reference to absolute zero).

an outstanding point -- in the real world . . .

😄

on a side note -- scientists have come ENORMOUSLY close to achieving absolute zero and matter alters at those temperatures. bose-einstein condensates, anyone . . .

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
In the Cable Vs Surfer fight Cable could have killed Surfer.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Surfer has blood.

The silver coating is what protects him on the outside.

Originally posted by jrodslam
With Iceman there to make sure it didnt happen while the others left allows me to believe Iceman pretty much had him beat. Or would it be called a stalemate because Stranger wasnt killed or badly injured?

this is getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Has it ever been shown what's inside Surfer?

actually it has. he's been stabbed with a magic dagger and something LIKE blood came from him. what it's actual makeup is is completely unknown of course, and there is absolutely no reason to think he has water in a body that has essentially been completely remade into a cosmic energy generator. does NOVA have water in her system? firelord?

can't say for certain, but i would feel safe in guessing the answer is no . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
an outstanding point -- in the real world . . .
😄

And we all know how closely comics parallel the real world 😉

on a side note -- scientists have come ENORMOUSLY close to achieving absolute zero and matter alters at those temperatures. bose-einstein condensates, anyone . . .

Quite true, and my guess is, as the science of hypercold matures, it will open up a whole new world of materials, technologies and expand the boundaries of human capability.

Now, if I could just remember to make ice cubes...

Originally posted by leonidas
oh and jrod -- CONGRATS! and thanks for filling in the blanks for me re: the stranger. if he DID keep him frozen that is impressive. the fact that he had to remain behind is a bit telling. more say he can cast his consciousness into any moisture. were that so completely the case he would not have had to remain there but could have controlled the ice from wherever he was.

Thanks man and all those who replied.

Iceman could have kept Stranger frozen in place and exited the ship with the others i believe. Why do i say that? Because earlier on that ship, Iceman mentioned that when the Sentinels evaporated him, he could still feel himself as a part of everything. When he froze the entire ship, his consciousness was also spread through trhe entire ship. Jean asked if he was still there and Bobby replied "Jean, im kind of everywhere!"

Thus i think him staying on the ship was seemingly just to ensure things. Plus he was able to teleport out of it at will in which he did after the ship vanished and created a vaccum.

where did he teleport to? and perhaps he stayed behind because the distance would have been too great to stretch his consciousness over had he NOT remained behind?

fyi for anyone interested -- The coldest temperature that scientists have have generated is one ten thousandth of one millionth of a degree above Absolute Zero!! damn, and i thought my wife could be cold at times . . .

😄

(ahh, just kiddin' sweetheart. 😍 )

I have the scans....just a a min