Originally posted by Acrosurge
Cable states, "I can't last much longer." He was ailing. Surfer was forcing Cable to burn out his powers; therefore wrecking Cable's entire plan. This was Surfer's plan from the beginning. It was the safest way to incapacitate Cable, rather than risking the planet from a Cable-explosion.
Okay...
It was cleary Surfer plan to have his board busted well he was on it(well hes on it is when its indestructable) blasted around and what not...nice plan...😆
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Odd, Cable landed two shots on Surfer and you suggest that Cable dominated the battle. Who was being forcibly driven through cities, fleets, and oceans? Cable. Who was completely wrecked by a single blast? Cable. At the end, who was on his back with a nearly flatlined power signature? Um, Cable.
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You're acting like his powers were being totally directed at Surfer...
More shots then Surfer landed and it could've easily been Surfer himself that got destroyed like his board...
Originally posted by Skeets
Whats the point in arguing the Surfer/Cable fight?we all saw what happend you cant argue the fact that Cable got layed out when Surfer got serious for that split second.
I'm arguing events that could've happend if Cable got serious for that split second rather then Surfer.
Which could've just as easily happend.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0WDude, your speculating what would ah, could ah, while others are showing what happened. And surfer holds back as well for most of his fights so you can't argue cable will put him down especially since given Norrins character, he would hold back against a guy he thought had nobility.
Verse speculation by Surfer fans.So?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
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http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p093pq.jpgexplained later that he can become a part of...everything. Heres the scans:
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http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p332jg.jpgthe star design looks like the same one as when the ship goes kabloowie and Iceman comes back:
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the scans of him freezing stranger i've seen and said are pretty impressive. not sure about the whole 'freezing eyebeams' thing though . . . and i'm still not convinced he could have kept him frozen without being present. what's the greatest range bobby has extended his powers over?
as for the 2 places at once -- i'm not sure about that either. why couldn't jean have simply brought him -- or a 'telepathic version' of him -- to the location? the appearance of that little phoenix really throws that scene out of whack and makes me think it was jean's doing, rather than bobby's. unless i've missed something altogether . . .
about his 'being part of everything'. he does seem to be able to perceive things through the extension of his power but that's different than some of what i've heard proposed. being able to control something, or having a sense of extended perception THROUGH/VIA something is different from being able to cast your full consciousness into it. at least it seems that way to me. i'll try and explain:
let's assume ss DOES have a form of blood that contains water, and let's assume for the purpose of this example that bobby can control it. so ss attacks with a blast, sees bobby is 'destroyed' and thinks the battle is over. he doesn't know (though likely would due to cosmic awareness) that bobby is still 'alive', so using ss's pause, he attacks ss's blood and starts to freeze it.
now, he could do this in 1 of 2 ways -- he could attack and freeze itwhile maintaining a vapor form or by re-solidifying into his more natural, hard-ice shape, OR, by the reasoning of some, he could simply inhabit the ss's body, casting his consciousness straight into the ss. now i see the former being an option, but the latter . . . i've never seen him do something like that.
let's carry the example a bit further -- bobby has reformed OUTSIDE the ss to keep up the attack (which seems the more natural and realistic option to me). now even though he has water in his blood, ss could likely resist the pain long enough to blast into space at multiples of c. could bobby STILL control from inter-planetary distances? i'd say no, because i've never seen that range from him. so ss would be freeze of his influence, attack again at multiples of c, transuting him this time then casting the tranmuted molecules all over the universe or through multiple dimensions. i doubt bobby could reform from that and ss wins. (i actually put forth a similar tactic for superman in that thread.)
NOW . . . (sorry, this is a bit gs-like . . . 😬 ) IF bobby COULD cast his consciousness into ss, then even IF ss blasted away at multiples of light it wouldn't save him because bobby would actually be residing WITHIN ss, in his blood so he could conceiveably continue the attack and freeze ss and effectively beat him. (yes, i know ss would have options here -- PLAY ALONG! 😠 😛 ) of course THEN what would bobby do? in space, no water readily available unless he can again cast his consciousness at interplanetary distances. but this situation seems . . . very unlikely to me because i've not seen him do anything like this.
i guess that's what i was trying to say when i said perceiving things in an extended maner through use of his powers is one thing. doing something of the sort that i described above is, imo, something else.
I'm a big time Iceman advocate (see the Iceman vs. Superman thread), but I really see no conclusive, or conceivable, manner for him to defeat the Surfer, unlike Supes. It's the nuanced matter/energy capabilities Surfer brings to the table in combination with his speed and cosmic awareness that makes this a completely different ballgame.
