"For Ironman, that's fine, but what about everybody else?"
They are working as a team here. They only need one that can tell where he is.
As less versatible as they are they have options to attack the area where the opponent albeigh invisible is. Thunderclaps and energy attacks being two.
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"And that would only be affective for Superman's invisibilty. What about his intangibility? He could easily walk right through any of their attacks."
Wouldnt he need to go tangible in order to try to take them out.
But enligth me. How about examples of his intagibility?
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"add thor on to the list and avengers knock there asses out"
That would be a mismatch.
Originally posted by olympian
"For Ironman, that's fine, but what about everybody else?"They are working as a team here. They only need one that can tell where he is.
As as less versatible they are they have options to attack the area where the opponent albeigh invisible is. Thunderclaps and energy attacks being two.
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"And that would only be affective for Superman's invisibilty. What about his intangibility? He could easily walk right through any of their attacks."
Wouldnt he need to go tangible in order to try to take them out.
But enligth me. How about examples of his intagibility?
Here he is vibrating his body through Doomsday's lightning/fire breath. 😉
"Here he is vibrating his body through Doomsday's lightning/fire breath"
The way i see that scan only shows him moving faster in order to not get hit.
When i think of intangibility, i think of MM|Vision type...
Since theres the ideia that Herc will be extremely innefectual here, ill trow some fire to the debate:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6908/08630tiorny19jl.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1199/08692tiorny30lb.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2552/08951whil41ss.jpg
(The vortex was created by a gent called Beyonder btw).
And some more:
Originally posted by olympian
"Here he is vibrating his body through Doomsday's lightning/fire breath"The way i see that scan only shows him moving faster in order to not get hit.
When i think of intangibility, i think of MM|Vision type...
Since theres the ideia that Herc will be extremely innefectual here, ill trow some fire to the debate:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6908/08630tiorny19jl.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1199/08692tiorny30lb.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2552/08951whil41ss.jpg
(The vortex was created by a gent called Beyonder btw).
And some more:
Nice, Avengers still win this one.
Originally posted by olympian
"Here he is vibrating his body through Doomsday's lightning/fire breath"The way i see that scan only shows him moving faster in order to not get hit.
When i think of intangibility, i think of MM|Vision type...
Since theres the ideia that Herc will be extremely innefectual here, ill trow some fire to the debate:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6908/08630tiorny19jl.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1199/08692tiorny30lb.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2552/08951whil41ss.jpg
(The vortex was created by a gent called Beyonder btw).
And some more:
Your point is? Actually, Superman is in effect intangible due to him vibrating his molecules just like Flash. Besides, other than Ironman these Avengers aren't even close to being versatile enough to compete with Supes and Captain Marvel.
"Your point is?"
They can be effective even if some are less versatible. As the scans cleary show. Example: Hurricane move? Herc alone can stop it.
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"Superman is in effect intangible due to him vibrating his molecules just like Flash"
intangible
adj
1. Not able to be felt or perceived by touch.
Thesaurus: impalpable, immaterial, airy; Antonym: material.
2. Difficult to understand or for the mind to grasp.
Thesaurus: uncertain, indefinite, unsure, vague, hypothetical.
3. Said of part of a business, eg an asset: not having a solid physical existence, but having some value or worth.
noun
1. Something intangible.
Does it look with what Superman was doing there? Or rather it looks like he was vibrating faster than the opponent to not get hit.
MM or Vison being intangible wouldnt need to "speedblitz" in order to not get hit. The attack would get thro with no effect, rigth?
Originally posted by olympian
"Your point is?"They can be effective even if some are less versatible. As the scans cleary show. Example: Hurricane move? Herc alone can stop it.
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"Superman is in effect intangible due to him vibrating his molecules just like Flash"
intangible
adj1. Not able to be felt or perceived by touch.
Thesaurus: impalpable, immaterial, airy; Antonym: material.
2. Difficult to understand or for the mind to grasp.Thesaurus: uncertain, indefinite, unsure, vague, hypothetical.
3. Said of part of a business, eg an asset: not having a solid physical existence, but having some value or worth.noun
1. Something intangible.
Does it look with what Superman was doing there? Or rather it looks like he was vibrating faster than the opponent to not get hit.
MM or Vison being intangible wouldnt need to "speedblitz" in order to not get hit. The attack would get thro with no effect, rigth?
I ment that the effect Superman gets out of vibrating his molecules is that he cannot be touched. You can see that when he vibrated his body right through DD's blast. He also vibrated his hand into DD's body. So it might not be called intangible formally, but he gets the same effect out of it. It's a neat trick. Anyways, super strength and super durability ain't gonna do sh*t to these two guys. It's the same reasons why Hulk could never beat Superman. Hulk is too uni-dimensional while Superman is too fast and too versatile. Same situation here.
Originally posted by batdude123
I ment that the effect Superman gets out of vibrating his molecules is that he cannot be touched. You can see that when he vibrated his body right through DD's blast. He also vibrated his hand into DD's body. So it might not be called intangible formally, but he gets the same effect out of it. It's a neat trick. Anyways, super strength and super durability ain't gonna do sh*t to these two guys. It's the same reasons why Hulk could never beat Superman. Hulk is too uni-dimensional while Superman is too fast and too versatile. Same situation here.
Originally posted by olympian
"Your point is?"They can be effective even if some are less versatible. As the scans cleary show. Example: Hurricane move? Herc alone can stop it.
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"Superman is in effect intangible due to him vibrating his molecules just like Flash"
intangible
adj1. Not able to be felt or perceived by touch.
Thesaurus: impalpable, immaterial, airy; Antonym: material.
2. Difficult to understand or for the mind to grasp.Thesaurus: uncertain, indefinite, unsure, vague, hypothetical.
3. Said of part of a business, eg an asset: not having a solid physical existence, but having some value or worth.noun
1. Something intangible.
Does it look with what Superman was doing there? Or rather it looks like he was vibrating faster than the opponent to not get hit.
MM or Vison being intangible wouldnt need to "speedblitz" in order to not get hit. The attack would get thro with no effect, rigth?
Amen brother.
"So it might not be called intangible formally, but he gets the same effect out of it. It's a neat trick."
The effect migth look the same. I just want to make clear its not the actual stuff that MM and Vision do. Its sligthy different and less effecient.
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"Anyways, super strength and super durability ain't gonna do sh*t to these two guys."
I just disagree. They can be battered, hurt, stunned, you name it.
Note that i said it "can" not that it will. Some Avengers sure have the durability to wisthand the duo range attacks making them able to continue theyr attacks.
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"It's the same reasons why Hulk could never beat Superman. Hulk is too uni-dimensional while Superman is too fast and too versatile. Same situation here"
Thats not totally correct. Lets be honest, we have examples of both figthing and in all those hes not just trading punches.
Hulk losing a majority when Superman is using the whole of his abilities is certain. Losing every battle out of 10? No.
Example? Superman used some of his powerset against DOS DD. But it turned out to be mainly a slugfest. Even with the powers he used, Supes more often than not will lose the majority in this kind of match against Hulk.
Figthing with everything hes got and being smart about it he takes the majority.
I am a firm beliver that no one of the top tier takes full 10 out of 10 against others of the same group. By the very same reason that circunstances of battles change from one to another.
Now about your comparation, this is how it doesnt exactly work. You have people here in Hulks range of strenght and regular durability, some with more versability and speed and with backup.
Thats why i dont see it as easy and neither as dominating as 8 out of 10.
And thats my two cents.
