The Avengers vs Superman & Captain Marvel

Originally posted by olympian
"So it might not be called intangible formally, but he gets the same effect out of it. It's a neat trick."

The effect migth look the same. I just want to make clear its not the actual stuff that MM and Vision do. Its sligthy different and less effecient.

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"Anyways, super strength and super durability ain't gonna do sh*t to these two guys."

I just disagree. They can be battered, hurt, stunned, you name it.

Note that i said it "can" not that it will. Some Avengers sure have the durability to wisthand the duo range attacks making them able to continue theyr attacks.

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"It's the same reasons why Hulk could never beat Superman. Hulk is too uni-dimensional while Superman is too fast and too versatile. Same situation here"

Thats not totally correct. Lets be honest, we have examples of both figthing and in all those hes not just trading punches.

Hulk losing a majority when Superman is using the whole of his abilities is certain. Losing every battle out of 10? No.

Example? Superman used some of his powerset against DOS DD. But it turned out to be mainly a slugfest. Even with the powers he used, Supes more often than not will lose the majority in this kind of match against Hulk.

Figthing with everything hes got and being smart about it he takes the majority.

I am a firm beliver that no one of the top tier takes full 10 out of 10 against others of the same group. By the very same reason that circunstances of battles change from one to another.

Now about your comparation, this is how it doesnt exactly work. You have people here in Hulks range of strenght and regular durability, some with more versability and speed and with backup.

Thats why i dont see it as easy and neither as dominating as 8 out of 10.

And thats my two cents.

Are you actually putting Hulk on the same level as Superman? 🤨 Well good luck to you sir, where ever you may end up in life.

Actually, all in all Superman fought like a dumbass against DD. That's right it did turn into a slugfest. If Superman would've used all his powers to the greatest degree, then he would've won that fight straight out. He did after all take down an entire army of DD clones with just his heat vision. 😉

Hulk would LOSE to Superman straight out. Let's see: Superman is smarter, more versatile, and faster.... yeah he wins 10/10. If you don't see it that way, then you must not know much about Superman.

Superman could easily take down Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules with his ice breath in the first few seconds of the fight. While he's doing that, Cap Marvel would be handeling Ironman. Here's Superman freezing Wonder Woman with his ice breath, so yes, it would be effective on those three and don't freakin' tell me otherwise:

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanfreezingwonderwoman3qt.jpg

Supes could also take out the three non-versatile characters with his heat vision. His heat vision is hotter than any scientific measurements can guage. It's off the charts hot and nobody can measure the vastness of the heat.

If you think that these guys could dish out more punishment than Superman could handle, you are wrong. Superman has flown out of a double black hole before for God's sake!

He's just plain and simple way too fast for WM, Namor, and Hercules to handle. They litterally wouldn't be able to think before he swoops in and flash freezes them or burns them alive.

Captain Marvel would eventually take down Ironman too. So yes, Superman and Captain Marvel would win 8-9/10.

Supes and Marvel take this one without much trouble really.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Supes and Marvel take this one without much trouble really.

Originally posted by batdude123
Are you actually putting Hulk on the same level as Superman? 🤨 Well good luck to you sir, where ever you may end up in life.

Actually, all in all Superman fought like a dumbass against DD. That's right it did turn into a slugfest. If Superman would've used all his powers to the greatest degree, then he would've won that fight straight out. He did after all take down an entire army of DD clones with just his heat vision. 😉

Hulk would LOSE to Superman straight out. Let's see: Superman is smarter, more versatile, and faster.... yeah he wins 10/10. If you don't see it that way, then you must not know much about Superman.

Superman could easily take down Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules with his ice breath in the first few seconds of the fight. While he's doing that, Cap Marvel would be handeling Ironman. Here's Superman freezing Wonder Woman with his ice breath, so yes, it would be effective on those three and don't freakin' tell me otherwise:

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanfreezingwonderwoman3qt.jpg

Supes could also take out the three non-versatile characters with his heat vision. His heat vision is hotter than any scientific measurements can guage. It's off the charts hot and nobody can measure the vastness of the heat.

If you think that these guys could dish out more punishment than Superman could handle, you are wrong. Superman has flown out of a double black hole before for God's sake!

He's just plain and simple way too fast for WM, Namor, and Hercules to handle. They litterally wouldn't be able to think before he swoops in and flash freezes them or burns them alive.

Captain Marvel would eventually take down Ironman too. So yes, Superman and Captain Marvel would win 8-9/10.

Didn't help Gladiator or Hyperion being faster smarter and more versitle. They went down and so could Superman..

Originally posted by golem370
Didn't help Gladiator or Hyperion being faster smarter and more versitle. They went down and so could Superman..

And that's called jobbing my friend. 😉 It seems that when an opponent SEVERLY outclasses Hulk, they always have to have their powers dumbed down a lot in order to fight him. 😬

Originally posted by Validus
Agreed. Both have beaten better teams.

Originally posted by golem370
Didn't help Gladiator or Hyperion being faster smarter and more versitle. They went down and so could Superman..

Superman and Marvel are not.

Well Hulk has defeated people just as powerful as superman and Marvel he could beat them and if you think he needs there powers dump down then that makes me laugh

Originally posted by golem370
Well Hulk has defeated people just as powerful as superman and Marvel he could beat them and if you think he needs there powers dump down then that makes me laugh

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well if Hulk defeated these characters they could not have been as powerful as Superman. Cause Superman and Marvel would destroy Hulk if they were written to their full power.

Agreed. It's not even a question that Superman would defeat Hulk. ❌

No they wouldn't there isn't any thing they could do to him that he has survived.He went toe to toe with Gods wrap your mind around that Stranger,Galaxy Master and he has faced Shaper to and was able to keep him from controlling him. Go to Hulk respect thread and Marvel

Originally posted by golem370
No they wouldn't there isn't any thing they could do to him that he has survived.He went toe to toe with Gods wrap your mind around that Stranger,Galaxy Master and he has faced Shaper to and was able to keep him from controlling him. Go to Hulk respect thread and Marvel

It's called JOBBING!

The Hulk does not have the same kind of verstilaty but he has others like seeing things on a paranormal level and he has become to Xemnu's telepath and he has shown he can adapt after a while from different attacks

Thats your opinion period

Originally posted by golem370
The Hulk does not have the same kind of verstilaty but he has others like seeing things on a paranormal level and he has become to Xemnu's telepath and he has shown he can adapt after a while from different attacks

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman could easily take down Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules with his ice breath in the first few seconds of the fight. While he's doing that, Cap Marvel would be handeling Ironman. Here's Superman freezing Wonder Woman with his ice breath, so yes, it would be effective on those three and don't freakin' tell me otherwise:

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanfreezingwonderwoman3qt.jpg

Also, current Iron Man *might* be able to go toe-to-toe with either of these guys, but he doesn't have enough showing to confirm that just yet.

Team Marvel would still lose though. I just wanted to add in my two cents about that as well.

I originally posted this on the Superman vs. Hulk thread, so read it:

Seriously, there's no way Hulk could beat Superman. The Hulk fanboys are having trouble realizing that while Hulk is fast, yes, he only goes about 400mph when he's SUPER pissed. Superman on the other hand, can fly at 186,000 miles per second (speed of light) which is 669,600,000 miles per hour! That means that Superman is litterally 1,674,000 times faster than Hulk! 😱 Give me that advantage alone over Hulk, and I'd destroy him.

There is also the thing about Hulk being stronger than Superman. Well, yes, he has the POTENTIAL to be stronger, but it would probably take him litterally hours to get to that point. I mean, even Post-Crisis Superman is holding black holes IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND! He also is still pulling the moon out of its gravitational force. Hulk fans keep saying that when he lifted that 150 billion ton mountain, it was so cool. Well, let's compare: holding a black hole in the palm of one's hand and pulling the moon out of its gravitational force>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lifting a 150 billion ton mountain. Superman has also taken down guys much tougher than Hulk before anyways (Darkseid, Lobo, Mongol, etc...).

Superman at full blood lusted should have little to no problems with Hulk because that would mean he would utilize his abilities to the FULLEST POTENTIAL. In bloodlusted state, I don't see the reason as to why this fight would last any longer than a couple of seconds. Superman is a guy who does not like to kill and will hold himself back in damn near every encounter. He only likes to test foe's fighting skills out before he could run the risk of killing them by going all out. Well written and with Superman using his powers to the fullest degree, he would utterly destroy Hulk with no problems at all.

Superman is also more versatile with his powers by a mile and a half. He could blast Hulk's skin off using laser vision which is incalcuably hot. While Hulk's skin I believe can withstand temperatures of up to 4000 degrees Celsius (Forgot if it was Celsius or Fahrenheit. Correct me if I'm wrong.), Superman can make his heat vision litterally go hotter than any means of scientific measurement can calculate. His heat vision has also bean shown to be able to blow up planets as well. He's also got ice breath which people usually seem to forget that he has. His ice breath is powerful enough to freeze entire oceans with ease. He even demonstrated one time when he did not even want to deal with fighting Wonder Woman, that he just froze that crap outta her and was done with it. Superman has also got a nifty little trick called vibrating his molecules. He can vibrate his molecules to become intangible or invisible. So he could just walk right through any attack that Hulk ever threw at him.

So, as any rational person can see, Superman should litterally win an encounter with Hulk every single damn time. Even two Hulks shouldn't present a problem to him. To say otherwise is just picking favorites and not being logical. From the above reasons, Superman wins this encounter 10/10.

"Are you actually putting Hulk on the same level as Superman? Well good luck to you sir, where ever you may end up in life."

You probably wanted to crack some joke here? And sure i put him on the same level. Physically. You have to be dumb not to, considering that physically speaking he has better feats under his belts.

As powerful? No. As strong and durable? Yes and sometimes even moreso.

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"Actually, all in all Superman fought like a dumbass against DD. That's right it did turn into a slugfest. If Superman would've used all his powers to the greatest degree, then he would've won that fight straight out"

So every comic character figths like a dumbass then. Lets be clear, he didnt just traded punches in that one. He used the speed he had at the time, heat vison, durability and tried battle field removal. Thats the usual powerset he normally uses.

And here remains the exact point. If he figths like he normally does, he doesnt do well against beasts like Hulk or Doomsday. If he figths even better using his full abilities then he gets the majority.

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"He did after all take down an entire army of DD clones with just his heat vision"

The same that Batman was choping left and rigth with an axe. Bad example. Those wer nothing compared with the real deal.

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"Superman could easily take down Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules with his ice breath in the first few seconds of the fight"

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"Here's Superman freezing Wonder Woman with his ice breath, so yes, it would be effective on those three and don't freakin' tell me otherwise"

Want a more clear indication your losing ground now? We all know the figth didnt stopped there. Cmon man.

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"Supes could also take out the three non-versatile characters with his heat vision. His heat vision is hotter than any scientific measurements can guage. It's off the charts hot and nobody can measure the vastness of the heat"

Sure. And yet, Thor took it close range and was still attacking Superman. Good example there.

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"Captain Marvel would eventually take down Ironman too. So yes, Superman and Captain Marvel would win 8-9/10."

Your ignoring everything the other characters have done. They sure never went against the likes of Beyonder, Stellaris, Heralds and more right? And in the same token, the DC never had low showings either to average what they can do.

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"And that's called jobbing my friend. It seems that when an opponent SEVERLY outclasses Hulk, they always have to have their powers dumbed down a lot in order to fight him."

Like Superman and the likes of Darkseid, Green Lanterns, New Gods and such? Are we using the same standarts for both?

Dont see it.

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"No they wouldn't there isn't any thing they could do to him that he has survived.He went toe to toe with Gods wrap your mind around that Stranger,Galaxy Master and he has faced Shaper to and was able to keep him from controlling him. Go to Hulk respect thread and Marvel

It's called JOBBING!"

Leave the bullshit outside Batdude. Its no more jobbing that what Superman has done or any other. Its called having high feats.

Big double standart here.

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"Actually, WW broke out of that ice in an instant. I do believe Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules could also break out of it with little difficulty (i think cold temperatures actually make Namor stronger"

Yes, he somehow forgot to mention that. This debate has gone on the desperation row now.

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"I mean, even Post-Crisis Superman is holding black holes IN THE PALM OF HIS HAND! "

He never held A black hole in the palm of his hand. Thats an internet myth. Post the scans for all to see. Especially since he did it with the point of not letting it release outside.

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"Superman at full blood lusted should have little to no problems with Hulk because that would mean he would utilize his abilities to the FULLEST POTENTIAL"

And other characters cant go bloodlust like.......The Hulk? Odd.

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"that he just froze that crap outta her and was done with it"

You wer already adressed on this point. This is the third time. The figth didnt stopped there so your point is moot.

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"He can vibrate his molecules to become intangible or invisible"

Invisible yes. Intangible no. Hes not MM. You wer also adressed on this.

A little edit:

"And in the same token, the DC DUO never had low showings either to average what they can do."

Originally posted by olympian
"Are you actually putting Hulk on the same level as Superman? Well good luck to you sir, where ever you may end up in life."

You probably wanted to crack some joke here? And sure i put him on the same level. Physically. You have to be dumb not to, considering that physically speaking he has better feats under his belts.

As powerful? No. As strong and durable? Yes and sometimes even moreso.

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"Actually, all in all Superman fought like a dumbass against DD. That's right it did turn into a slugfest. If Superman would've used all his powers to the greatest degree, then he would've won that fight straight out"

So every comic character figths like a dumbass then. Lets be clear, he didnt just traded punches in that one. He used the speed he had at the time, heat vison, durability and tried battle field removal. Thats the usual powerset he normally uses.

And here remains the exact point. If he figths like he normally does, he doesnt do well against beasts like Hulk or Doomsday. If he figths even better using his full abilities then he gets the majority.

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"He did after all take down an entire army of DD clones with just his heat vision"

The same that Batman was choping left and rigth with an axe. Bad example. Those wer nothing compared with the real deal.

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"Superman could easily take down Namor, Wonder Man, and Hercules with his ice breath in the first few seconds of the fight"

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"Here's Superman freezing Wonder Woman with his ice breath, so yes, it would be effective on those three and don't freakin' tell me otherwise"

Want a more clear indication your losing ground now? We all know the figth didnt stopped there. Cmon man.

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"Supes could also take out the three non-versatile characters with his heat vision. His heat vision is hotter than any scientific measurements can guage. It's off the charts hot and nobody can measure the vastness of the heat"

Sure. And yet, Thor took it close range and was still attacking Superman. Good example there.

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"Captain Marvel would eventually take down Ironman too. So yes, Superman and Captain Marvel would win 8-9/10."

Your ignoring everything the other characters have done. They sure never went against the likes of Beyonder, Stellaris, Heralds and more right? And in the same token, the DC never had low showings either to average what they can do.

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"And that's called jobbing my friend. It seems that when an opponent SEVERLY outclasses Hulk, they always have to have their powers dumbed down a lot in order to fight him."

All you're trying to do is disprove how they would defeat the Marvel line-up. You haven't once mentioned how in the hell the Marvel team would defeat Superman and Captain Marvel. How would Namor or any of the uni-dimensional guys cope with Superman's speed? They don't have the reflexes to. Superman would just dance circles around them while punching the sh*t out of them before they knew what to do. Like you've stated before, Namor is a non-factor here so that just leaves Ironman, Wonder Man, and Hercules to dish some out. Ironman would hold off CM for awhile, granted, but he would still go down eventually. Wonder Man and Hercules would be taken down by Superman. How would Hercules and Wonder Man take down what they couldn't see? Now if Superman does the old "I'm just gonna go hand to hand on these punks," then yes, Wonder Man and Hercules together would take down Superman. However, if Supes utilized his fighting speeds as well as his other abilities, then he would take down those three easily. He's taken down stronger teams before. 😉

I'M losing ground huh? You haven't onced explained to me how in the hell this team would defeat Superman and Captain Marvel. Ironman aside, having three brutes against a couple of the most versatile characters around is a joke. Durability and strength I would even give to Superman vs. Hercules or Wonder Man.

"Thor took it close range and was still attacking Superman."

Yeah, and? Cross overs have never been observed as being cannonical, let alone being used as evidence. Besides, if you want to use cross-overs, in a fight Superman smacked Thor through a wall and knocked him out. Regardless of being non-cannonical, they are also riddled with PIS.

"And sure I put him on the same level. Physically."

Fair enough. I thought you ment someone like Hulk would take the majority of the wins on Superman.

And I'm not ignoring WM, Hercules, and Namor's low showings. It's just that they don't have the powerset to compete against somebody like Superman. He'd fly in faster than they can process a thought and burn them to death with his heat vision. They wouldn't be able to handle Superman's superior speed. Anyways, Ironman would give Captain Marvel a good fight, but he'd still lose in the end. Cap Marvel and Superman win 8-9/10. Why don't you tell me who would win next time and how?