Originally posted by golem370
No they wouldn't there isn't any thing they could do to him that he has survived.He went toe to toe with Gods wrap your mind around that Stranger,Galaxy Master and he has faced Shaper to and was able to keep him from controlling him. Go to Hulk respect thread and Marvel
Didn't Superman beat four gods at the same time?
"In your own intelligent words what exactly happened in that pic?
Exactly what is written and showed Snoop. I already said it and its rigth there. The BH wasent out ergo he didnt held on his hand a BH.
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BTW it wasn't my claim in the first place. Somebody else brought it up."
And yet:
"Originally posted by olympian
Can someone explain the -wonder- of holding something thats -not yet- released. I didnt get this one.
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Are you being serious? It's not released yet cause SUPERMAN IS HOLDING IT FROM RELEASING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
...here you promply defended the stance that he had a BH feat.
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"Have they demonstrated (Herc, Wonder Man, Namor) the ability to have reflexes fast enough to hit opponents at or faster than light"
I dont recall how the IM and Surfer fight went, but more than likely not.
Not that it goes alot against them, Superman doesnt speedblitz faster than light that ive seen.
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"His super speed, his super senses, his superior thinking speed, and his invisibility trick combined with his ability to vibrate his molecules in order to PHASE through objects (is that a better word to use?) "
Yeah. As long you realize what MM and Vison pull off its a different trick.
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"He might as well not even be in this fight. He can fly, yes, he has a degree of super speed, yes, but he's no where near the level of Supes or CM."
Thats not rigth Batdude. The guys has:
> Broken the crimson bands of Cyttorak
> Stalemated the Hulk more than once
> Beaten Hulk twice
> Fought Hercules more than once to stalemates, on some he had the advantage and on others the opponent did
> Punched down BRB
> Fought Thor pretty well before, altho i dont recall if Thor won using Mjolnir or it was inconclusive
> Has dodged and grabbed missils. Herc has done the same. So the reaction time is at least good
Theres no way that physically hes nowhere that level. Hes top tier. Not exactly equal to Supes and Herc but akin to WMan he belongs to the next set. Thats more than enought to make it a fight.
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"What I ment to say, was that these guys don't have the powerset to take the majority against somebody like Superman. Anyways, yes, granted Hercules and these guys have done a lot with their power set, but it is still very very limited compared to the likes of Superman. Granted, their versatility with their power sets are impressive, but Superman has accomplished things that these guys could only dream about"
My answer remains the same.
And for the record, the last sentence is wrong. Post crisis superman has a high degree of strenght like Herc and Hulk and yet he doesnt have:
> punching a celestial object bigger than Earth to dust
> shutting down with a punch a dimensional gateway
> punching a time storm
> resisting the antimatter and matter forces
> generating pressure to knock Earth out of orbit with a simple armwrestling match.
Clear what i mean? The character makes the powerset, not the other way around. You have guys on Spiderman powerset and yet he has feats the others dont. Same for the Captain America lite.
Im contesting btw the dominating majority. Not that they cant pull it off. Of course they can. On the other hand i see the first group having good chances as well playing as a team and being at theyr bests.
Originally posted by olympian
"In your own intelligent words what exactly happened in that pic?Exactly what is written and showed. He struggled to stop the BH from being released from the field.
Hence, he cant held something on his hand thats not even out.
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BTW it wasn't my claim in the first place. Somebody else brought it up."
And yet:
"Originally posted by olympian
Can someone explain the -wonder- of holding something thats -not yet- released. I didnt get this one.
"
Are you being serious? It's not released yet cause SUPERMAN IS HOLDING IT FROM RELEASING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"...here you promply defended the stance that he had a BH feat.
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"Have they demonstrated (Herc, Wonder Man, Namor) the ability to have reflexes fast enough to hit opponents at or faster than light"
I dont recall how the IM and Surfer fight went, but probably not.
Not that it goes alot against them, Superman doesnt speedblitz faster than light that ive seen.
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"His super speed, his super senses, his superior thinking speed, and his invisibility trick combined with his ability to vibrate his molecules in order to PHASE through objects (is that a better word to use?) "
Yeah. As long you realize what MM and Vison pull off its a different trick.
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"He might as well not even be in this fight. He can fly, yes, he has a degree of super speed, yes, but he's no where near the level of Supes or CM."
Thats not rigth Batdude. The guys has:
> Broken the crimson bands of Cyttorak
> Stalemated the Hulk more than once
> Beaten Hulk twice
> Fought Hercules more than once to stalemates, some he had advantage and others the opponent did
> Punched down BRB
> Fought Thor pretty well before, altho i dont recall if Thor won using Mjolnir or it was inconclusive
> Has dodged and grabed missils. Herc has done the same. So the reaction time is at least good
Theres no way that physically hes nowhere that level. Hes top tier. Not exactly equal to Supes and Herc but akin to WMan he belongs to the next set. Thats more than enought to make it a fight.
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"What I ment to say, was that these guys don't have the powerset to take the majority against somebody like Superman. Anyways, yes, granted Hercules and these guys have done a lot with their power set, but it is still very very limited compared to the likes of Superman. Granted, their versatility with their power sets are impressive, but Superman has accomplished things that these guys could only dream about"
My answer remains the same.
And for the record, the last sentence is wrong. Post crisis superman has a high degree of strenght like Herc and Hulk and yet he doesnt have:
> punching a celestial object bigger than Earth to dust
> shutting down with a punch a dimensional gateway
> punching a time storm
> resisting the antimatter and matter forces
> generating pressure to knock Earth out of orbit with a simple armwrestling match.
Clear what i mean? The character makes the powerset, not the other way around. You have guys on Spiderman powerset and yet he has feats the others dont. Same for the Captain America lite.
Im contesting btw the dominating majority. Not that they cant pull it off. Of course they can. On the other hand i see the first group having good chances as well playing as a team and being at theyr bests.
"My answer remains the same.
And for the record, the last sentence is wrong. Post crisis superman has a high degree of strenght like Herc and Hulk and yet he doesnt have:
> punching a celestial object bigger than Earth to dust
> shutting down with a punch a dimensional gateway
> punching a time storm
> resisting the antimatter and matter forces
> generating pressure to knock Earth out of orbit with a simple armwrestling match.
Clear what i mean? The character makes the powerset, not the other way around. You have guys on Spiderman powerset and yet he has feats the others dont. Same for the Captain America lite."
You make it seem like the Marvel team's strength feats are the be all to end all against Superman and that's not correct. But Superman does has his impressive strength feats as well.
Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg
Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.
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http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg
Here's Superman escaping a double black hole.
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Supes catching a moon sized ship in travel and tossing it casually...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/moonmover.jpg
Anyways, Superman and Captain Marvel take this 6-7/10.
Here is a description from a web-site of what actually happened in JLA #77.
"Atom shrinks down as tiny as he can, because he can still remember to shrink, and tells Superman to use his heat vision to break Mnemon and force it to release all the memories it's been storing. But the black hole inside is going critical and it's all Superman can do to contain the gravitational forces between his hands. With intense struggle Superman manages to fly the device out into space and dispose of it through the same special anomaly that it arrived"
Superman contained the gravitation forces between his hands.
Namor, Ironman, Wonderman and Herc can be as bloodlusted as they want, but there isn't much they can do to Superman and Marvel. The only advantage that they have is numbers. While Supes and Marvel take care of Ironman and Wonderman with superior speed, strength, invulnerability and energy attacks, Herc and Namor are stuck on the ground. Herc and Namor lose on the ground with speed attacks and energy attacks. The only way the Marvel group will have a chance is if team DC slugs it out with them without using any of their other abilities. Since there is no CIS in this forum, that won't happen. Nobody has shown a viable scenario where team Marvel can win.
Originally posted by badabing
Namor, Ironman, Wonderman and Herc can be as bloodlusted as they want, but there isn't much they can do to Superman and Marvel. The only advantage that they have is numbers. While Supes and Marvel take care of Ironman and Wonderman with superior speed, strength, invulnerability and energy attacks, Herc and Namor are stuck on the ground. Herc and Namor lose on the ground with speed attacks and energy attacks. The only way the Marvel group will have a chance is if team DC slugs it out with them without using any of their other abilities. Since there is no CIS in this forum, that won't happen. Nobody has shown a viable scenario where team Marvel can win.
No kidding except for one thing, Namor can fly. 😉
"You make it seem like the Marvel team's strength feats are the be all to end all against Superman and that's not correct. But Superman does has his impressive strength feats as well."
Not at all. Just to illustrate further the point, Batdude. Here we have two guys who have a less versatible powerset. Or as you can say a weaker one. And yet, what have they done with it? Stuff that Superman for example hasent. And vice versa. How then, can the ideia of them not being able to do anything show up?
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"Namor, Ironman, Wonderman and Herc can be as bloodlusted as they want, but there isn't much they can do to Superman and Marvel."
-Your making it sound like only the duo can go bloodlust and have high levels, unlike the team-
Theyr high ends include surviving blasts from guys more powerful than Odin, going against Beyonder and fliers - more versatible people. Yet you say they CANT do much?
Your opinion is to be respected but i see very little basis for it.
People like Batdude and other Superman fanboys are funny as hell Hulk beating a a better version of Superman is canon but him holding a black hole isn't 😆 Superman has been beat before by people like Lex Luthor a man he been took to his limit by Solomon Grundy a weak version of the Incredible Hulk. If Batman has a chance in a million of beating Superman then Hulk has 500,000 times that chance. He is just as powerful just as tough and just as much willpower and durability. Hulk has just as much chance of beating Superman as Superman has of beating him he fought muityple people with One being every bit as strong as Superman in Immortal Hercules. and Iron Man Wonder Man & Sub-Mariner who stronger tougher and more durable then Captain Marvel could ever dream to be bottom line Marvel always has a good chance against anybody..........
Originally posted by golem370In your world, Gambit has a chance against Ganthet, though.
People like Batdude and other Superman fanboys are funny as hell Hulk beating a a better version of Superman is canon but him holding a black hole isn't 😆 Superman has been beat before by people like Lex Luthor a man he been took to his limit by Solomon Grundy a weak version of the Incredible Hulk. If Batman has a chance in a million of beating Superman then Hulk has 500,000 times that chance. He is just as powerful just as tough and just as much willpower and durability. Hulk has just as much chance of beating Superman as Superman has of beating him he fought muityple people with One being every bit as strong as Superman in Immortal Hercules. and Iron Man Wonder Man & Sub-Mariner who stronger tougher and more durable then Captain Marvel could ever dream to be bottom line Marvel always has a good chance against anybody..........
Originally posted by golem370
People like Batdude and other Superman fanboys are funny as hell Hulk beating a a better version of Superman is canon but him holding a black hole isn't 😆 Superman has been beat before by people like Lex Luthor a man he been took to his limit by Solomon Grundy a weak version of the Incredible Hulk. If Batman has a chance in a million of beating Superman then Hulk has 500,000 times that chance. He is just as powerful just as tough and just as much willpower and durability. Hulk has just as much chance of beating Superman as Superman has of beating him he fought muityple people with One being every bit as strong as Superman in Immortal Hercules. and Iron Man Wonder Man & Sub-Mariner who stronger tougher and more durable then Captain Marvel could ever dream to be bottom line Marvel always has a good chance against anybody..........
