Originally posted by Big Sexy
Golems right. Iron man has realy become uber lately
The most quoted "feat" on these boards for Wonder Man is getting curbstomped by Hyperion.
Originally posted by Big SexyNothing to stop Superman from flying over and dismantling the armor and flying into space with it like he does when fights people like that..., then raining down heat vision and incinerating Namor. 2 down, minimal effort.
Golems right. Iron man has realy become uber lately
this isn't really much of a fight if people are truly using their full potential.
Superman and CM take this faster than you can say "Miller Time".
Let's see... Hercules got beaten by Wonder Woman in Avengers/JLA, right?
Superman is faster and stronger and more durable than Wonser Woman, to say nothing of his other powers. He would freeze Sub-Mariner in 0000.2 seconds and then shatter his body.
Iron Man would have his armour melted by Heat Vision before he knew what happened.
Hercules would get beaten by either Superman OR Captain Marvel (who possesses the strength of DC Hercules, btw... AND he's immortal so you can't kill him).
Who did that leave? I forget but it doesn't matter. Supes and CM are too powerful for these guys.
They take it 9/10, with one going to Marvel because of CIS.
"Nothing to stop Superman from flying over and dismantling the armor and flying into space with it like he does when fights people like that..., then raining down heat vision and incinerating Namor. 2 down, minimal effort.
Herc and Wonder Man against The Big Blue Boy Scout and The Big Red Cheese? No contest"
From what ive gathered IM currently has:
> Superspeed
> Can mind control his own armour and other versions at the same time iirc. (He used something like a bunch of them against an opponent recently. Probably his equivelent from Russia whose name escapes me...Crimson Dinamo?).
> Has a healing ability factor that recently showed to a certain kanuck:
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/639/ironimg0170ym5xr.jpg
No contest? The guy currently makes a fight with either alone.
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"this isn't really much of a fight if people are truly using their full potential."
The only problem being, some posters here arent using ALL at full potential. Only the Duo.
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"Let's see... Hercules got beaten by Wonder Woman in Avengers/JLA, right?
Superman is faster and stronger and more durable than Wonser Woman, to say nothing of his other powers. He would freeze Sub-Mariner in 0000.2 seconds and then shatter his body."
See what i meant sly
Here is where you are wrong:
Hercules didnt got beaten no. Beaten means utterly defeated. WW had one panel of advantage against him and Hercules did the same later. In the end it was a tie, since they both managed to overpower the other. Heres a nice example that shows you can punch and tag pll faster than you, huh.
The second thing that you are wrong about its that as faster, more durable and stronger that superman is in relation to WW (wich btw isent a big gap) he lost two times already against her.
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"Iron Man would have his armour melted by Heat Vision before he knew what happened"
http://www.superherochat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=94726
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"Hercules would get beaten by either Superman OR Captain Marvel (who possesses the strength of DC Hercules, btw... AND he's immortal so you can't kill him)."
He would lose a majority against either if all powers are used. If he manages to turn it into a slug or better in h2h either of the two wont do good. But since hes not alone here, the result is very probably another.
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"Yeah, Wonder Man... Superman beat him with one punch."
It was a trow. And we just know for sure that he was down.
Nothing wrong with that. Every top tier has one shot guys of the same group. Herc and Abom and Namor and BrB being two examples. Then on another ocassions they stalemate or get inconclusive.
We know Wman isent stronger than Supes or exactly as strong. But like in relation with others he is in the next set. He can well give a fight.
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"Hercules would get beaten by either Superman OR Captain Marvel (who possesses the strength of DC Hercules, btw... AND he's immortal so you can't kill him)."
"He would lose a majority against either if all powers are used. But since hes not alone here, the result is very probably another. If he manages to turn it into a slug or even better in a h2h match, neither of the two will do good.
Anyways, Superman and Captain Marvel win this 7-8/10. Neither Olympian or Golem have posted conceivable ways for the four to beat CM and Superman. I guess the majority of people would agree with me as well. Sorry Olympian, you're grasping at straws because you don't want to see the Marvel team go down and that's exactly what would happen. You've got three guys here who aren't even in the same league as CM and SM, and then you've got one guy who would put up a good fight for awhile, but in the end he'd lose as well. I really don't see a way for SM or CM to lose to any one of these guys unless they come into the fight retarded or in a wheel chair. 😬
Originally posted by Accel
Olympian's not saying the four would win though. He's just saying Team DC wouldn't win as easily as people are making it seem.
He hasn't made one conceivable way for them to win. Not at all. I understand that Wonder Man, Hercules, and Namor's high feats have been impressive but come on, they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel. The only way they have a shot against Superman is if he goes down to their level and just fights them while ignoring all of the other uber powers he has, and even then it's questionable. Supes and Captain Marvel win 7-8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
He hasn't made one conceivable way for them to win. Not at all. I understand that Wonder Man, Hercules, and Namor's high feats have been impressive but come on, they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel. The only way they have a shot against Superman is if he goes down to their level and just fights them while ignoring all of the other uber powers he has, and even then it's questionable. Supes and Captain Marvel win 7-8/10.
"He hasn't made one conceivable way for them to win. Not at all. I understand that Wonder Man, Hercules, and Namor's high feats have been impressive but come on, they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel. The only way they have a shot against Superman is if he goes down to their level and just fights them while ignoring all of the other uber powers he has, and even then it's questionable. Supes and Captain Marvel win 7-8/10."
Crisis man, you still continue with the same thing? You know by now very well that this isent only about powersets. Comics show this all the time. Whats the matter in understanding the simple fact.
Moreso this understatement is the one of the year weep:
"they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel"
What the heck. I mean what. the. heck. No bussiness against? Most of the comic fiction is based on characters going against people they have no bussiness with. Superhero fiction even more. Spiderman doesnt have bussiness with the Hulk. Neither Cap. Neither Superman with Green Lanterns and heralds. Neither Hercules with guys that have put down Zeus. Neither Hulk with heralds.
And yet they have those feats. And yet they fight and sometimes even win. Weve seem them. Your quickly disregarding what some have managed to do even if they are less versatible and yet in the ones Superman, had no bussiness with, you use them.
I mean this isent even about streeth levelers against top tiers. Its top tiers against other top tiers.
As for any conceavable way. I already said those. I dont need to do a resume of tactics about it. You see what the characters are able like IM "stealing" power from Surfer even at his classic days and you get an ideia what they can do.
Its called common sense.
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"Olympian's not saying the four would win though. He's just saying Team DC wouldn't win as easily as people are making it seem."
Im not claiming they will win and period. Im saying they can. They have the teamwork, skill, numbers, versability, some speed and definatly the muscle to do it.
Im especially against the whole notion that its a catewalk, that the high feats the Avengers have even against pll more versatible than them and more powerful somehow dont count because " they have no bussiness to, its the powerset". Even with comics and comics showing that ideia is wrong.
My last three cents.
Originally posted by olympian
"He hasn't made one conceivable way for them to win. Not at all. I understand that Wonder Man, Hercules, and Namor's high feats have been impressive but come on, they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel. The only way they have a shot against Superman is if he goes down to their level and just fights them while ignoring all of the other uber powers he has, and even then it's questionable. Supes and Captain Marvel win 7-8/10."Crisis man, you still continue with the same thing? You know by now very well that this isent only about powersets. Comics show this all the time. Whats the matter in understanding the simple fact.
Moreso this understatement is the one of the year weep:
"they have no business being up against somebody like Superman or Captain Marvel"
What the heck. I mean what. the. heck. No bussiness against? Most of the comic fiction is based on characters going against people they have no bussiness with. Superhero fiction even more. Spiderman doesnt have bussiness with the Hulk. Neither Cap. Neither Superman with Green Lanterns and heralds. Neither Hercules with guys that have put down Zeus. Neither Hulk with heralds.
And yet they have those feats. And yet they fight and sometimes even win. Weve seem them. Your quickly disregarding what some have managed to do even if they are less versatible and yet in the ones Superman, had no bussiness with, you use them.
I mean this isent even about streeth levelers against top tiers. Its top tiers against other top tiers.
As for any conceavable way. I already said those. I dont need to do a resume of tactics about it. You see what the characters are able like IM "stealing" power from Surfer even at his classic days and you get an ideia what they can do.
Its called common sense.
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"Olympian's not saying the four would win though. He's just saying Team DC wouldn't win as easily as people are making it seem."
Im not claiming they will win and period. Im saying they can. They have the teamwork, skill, numbers, versability, some speed and definatly the muscle to do it.
Im especially against the whole notion that its a catewalk, that the high feats the Avengers have even against pll more versatible than them and more powerful somehow dont count because " they have no bussiness to, its the powerset". Even with comics and comics showing that ideia is wrong.
My last three cents.
Common sense would tell you that Superman's high showings far outweigh those of these three (excluding Ironman). Yeah they have experience with their powerset and have their high feats but so what? Superman's high showings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Namor's, Hercules's, and Wonder Man's high showings. The fact that you are comparing these three guy's high showings against a man who has taken down the entire JLA singlehandedly more than once is stardling. Pfffft. Give me a break. Versatility with their powersets means jack sh*t compared to Superman. He eats people like Hercules, Wonder Man, and Namor for breakfasts in damn near every comic. Please stop comparing those three's high feats against Superman's because their is NO comparison. 🙄 And Captain Marvel is every bit Superman's equal so I really don't see how they could take this without them doing something totally miraculous that they've never done before and Superman and Captain Marvel fight like dumbasses. Cap Marvel and Superman win 7-8/10
Originally posted by JuntaiNo doubt.
Nothing to stop Superman from flying over and dismantling the armor and flying into space with it like he does when fights people like that..., then raining down heat vision and incinerating Namor. 2 down, minimal effort.
Herc and Wonder Man against The Big Blue Boy Scout and The Big Red Cheese? No contest.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
So what was he holding in his hand?Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?
Subj: Re: Just Curious.
Date: 5/11/2003 7:40:51 PM Central Daylight Time
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To: *******@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)I don't think we actually worked out the physics of the black hole, but I think SUPERMAN was able to keep the mechanism from releasing the black hole completely. When he threw it into the wormhole it released.
But then again, maybe notRick
My thoughts? Comic universe black holes do the job. 😛
Either way it gets 5 stars on the "Holy ****!" scale.
" Common sense would tell you that Superman's high showings far outweigh those of these three (excluding Ironman). "
Nope. And not in all departments either. Durability sure. Strenght for example? Definatly not. Hulk alone has better feats. Herc alone has some better ones. I kind of ask again, where does the definite proof comes from?
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"Superman's high showings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Namor's, Hercules's, and Wonder Man's high showings."
No. Even Namor broke a restraining force that Galactus didnt.
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"So what was he holding in his hand?
Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?"
What was the "machine" that was keeping the BH, called?
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"The fact that you are comparing these three guy's high showings against a man who has taken down the entire JLA singlehandedly more than once is stardling"
And each one of these have done pretty well alone against a being whos done the same in theyr universe....so?
Herc defeated a Terminus and look what he did to the Jla. Ok i kid, you dont use the crossover.
Btw. The fight your mentioning is the one Supes wet mad? And Orion stalemated him, or another.
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"Versatility with their powersets means jack sh*t compared to Superman. He eats people like Hercules, Wonder Man, and Namor for breakfasts in damn near every comic. Please stop comparing those three's high feats against Superman's because their is NO comparison"
weep
Why do you even read comics then. They dont write the characters like you WANT to. Whats the point of you doing it.
Your crossing the fanboysm line there.
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"And Captain Marvel is every bit Superman's equal so I really don't see how they could take this without them doing something totally miraculous that they've never done before and Superman and Captain Marvel fight like dumbasses."
But "miracles do happen". Look at Korvac, Ultron, Terminus, Hulk, Typhon,...renske
