ROTS Grievous and Dooku vs ROTS Darth Vader and Obi-Wan.

First of all, A>B>C comparisons don't always work. The upper tier of the PT doesn't work this way (Sidious > Dooku > Mace > Sidious, as another example).

Now let's look at Anakin and Obi-Wan's fight.

- George Lucas says that they are not equal. He says, in the RotS commentary, that Darth Vader was superior to Kenobi in both lightsaber dueling and force power.
- Anakin wasn't as good as Kenobi in the emotions department. Kenobi had far greater control over his emotions.
Add this to the fact that Anakin was going through intense emotional anguish with Padme.
- Kenobi used a saber form (Soresu) who's purpose was to draw out fights. He basically stretched out the fight until Anakin did something stupid to mess up. Not only that, but his saber guard was never penetrated after becoming THE Soresu master.
- Alot of the fight involved lava skateboarding, climbing and balance-fighting. Kenobi was usually the first to run to these things
- Anakin comes close to wrecking him a few times. A hard kick to the chest comes to mind as well.
- Kenobi was his teacher and best friend. He knows him inside out.
- Anakin was winning the fight. At the line "This is the end for you my master" Kenobi is breathing hard and Anakin looks fine.
- Even with all these advantages for Kenobi, Anakin IIRC, according to GL, was going to win the fight if it continued.

Just my opinion though. It could very well be Anakin > Dooku > Kenobi > Anakin.

I think Dooku could take Anakin in a fight if he doesn't get tired out. Anakin would win if the fight lasted long enough that Dooku got tired, which is might since it'd take alot of energy for Dooku to block Anakin's attacks.

According to the RotS novelization, Anakin wore him out by smashing him with powerful hits of Djem So. Doesn't seem too different from the movie.

In the movie, Obi-Wan and Anakin were 2 vs 1 Dooku. That's why he got so tired...

Actually, it doesn't really show Dooku getting tired at all. Does it?

dooku wasn't supposed to kill anakin. If he wanted to he could of. the book, which is very contradictory of the movie, says he was trying hard. if he was really trying don't you think he would use lightning or a huge push?

Don't know. Why didn't Sidious use force push on Mace? Why didn't Qui-Gon or Kenobi use force push on Maul? Why didn't Vader force push Obi in ANH? Why didn't Obi do the same?

plot induced stupidity?

Natch.

what is that?

Ok, Dooku>Anakin. In the beginning of ROTS, Dooku was not trying his hardest. He was taunting him and egging him on. He was practically talking for half of the fight. He also underestimated Anakin, because he beat him so easily before. If Dooku was trying his hardest to kill Anakin, he could have done so.

Another possible reason for why Dooku wasn't trying to kill Anakin was because maybe he wanted him to be another Dark Jedi follower like Sora Bulq.

Anyway, I think that Grievous and Dooku would win. I mean if Dooku was trying his hardest in the beginning of ROTS he would have won. So if you put Grievous into the equation, it becomes too much.

Except the novelization makes it clear Dooku was trying his hardest and was fairly defeated

Yeah, except ROTS contradicts the ROTS novelization. So guess what? The ROTS novelization=not canon. 🙂

Oooh, too bad, sorry...the official canonity puts it...*GASP* ABOVE any other level of canon save the movies, wow! Hm, why have the novelizations, which received line by line edits from Lucas been placed above any other level of EU, especially when having been used by some bigwigs to explain things in a specific case when nothing contradicts the movie?

Could it be...the novelization>Your opinion?

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
dooku wasn't supposed to kill anakin. If he wanted to he could of. the book, which is very contradictory of the movie, says he was trying hard. if he was really trying don't you think he would use lightning or a huge push?

Another possible reason for why Dooku wasn't trying to kill Anakin was because maybe he wanted him to be another Dark Jedi follower like Sora Bulq.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oooh, too bad, sorry...the official canonity puts it...*GASP* ABOVE any other level of canon save the movies, wow! Hm, why have the novelizations, which received line by line edits from Lucas been placed above any other level of EU, especially when having been used by some bigwigs to explain things in a specific case when nothing contradicts the movie?

Could it be...the novelization>Your opinion?

Except the officials consider the non contradictions canon and this received a line by line edit from Lucas, it is EU and if these parts don't contradict the movies?
Yep, canon.

whats with people and trying to fight the power. I mean god if the damned book that GL SAYS IS CANNON, says that Dooku actually tried, and lost, than damn it he tried and lost. Count Dooku isn't the best thing since sliced bread.

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I hate that line 😐

but the book is NOT CANON. In the duel it has tables bieng thrown and kicking and punching and Dooku bieng a ninja. it has mace cut fistos head off and sidious beating mace in the lightning struggle. It was probably a first draft of the movie, so the real, CANON movie contridicts it. The Movie is the highest point of canon and if something contridicts it that much (those are just the things i can remember off hand) it is NON CANON!!!

Well my freind. If GL says iutsa Cannon. It's Cannon. If the book shows Mace WIndu fighting Anakin at Mustafar and GL: calls it Cannon, than its Cannon.