In the fight with Anakin in ROTS, he was frikken talking half of the time. He was smiling and taunting Anakin too.
Didn't look like he was smiling in their saberlock now, did he? And no, they didn't spend half the time talking - the fight lasted 30 some seconds (between Anakin and Dooku alone), and Dooku said one line.
Even in saying the one line, he didn't say casually like "O h3y Annie, u h4ve h8 ph33r but u d0nt us3 3m LOL ROFLCOPTER!!!!///1ihduvelven!". He even pauses when saying it.
Now, about him "smiling and laughing", he only did those things before they all entered the initial duel, so I don't see how during the fight he spent "half the time talking".
And yes... he is arrogant and over confident "I have become more powerful than blah blah blah even you!" -AOTC then he uses force lightning on Yoda.
Again, as you seem to have failed to see what I said:
However, he doesn't seem to be that arrogant in his actions (words - yes), and they don't seem to "blind" his thought process - the example being his duel with Yoda.
Now tell me, did Dooku - even with saying that he had become more powerful - leave or not? Did he use a distraction to burden Yoda or not? If he was so confident, he would've disposed of Yoda. As they say "actions speak louder than words".
Also, read my earlier posts about the novelization.
I did, you seem to either fail to grasp the point about it even after Lightsnake responded to your claims about it on several occasions.
Here's the jist of what you said:
Since they didn't happen in the movie, they contradict the movie. Anything that contradicts the movie isn't canon.
And what does it contradict exactly? Nothing.
... as I said before, the storyline of the novelization is accurate however every single detail is not.
Okay, so I suppose details that back up the story and other crap like that is contradictory and/or is inaccurate? Details are inaccurate?
Anakin > Dooku ? Are you people serious ?
In this particular situation you can throw the ROTS novel out of the window. We can see Dooku blocking Obi-Wan and Anakin both at once using only one hand - but suddenly Anakin alone is too much for him ? He basically wiped the ground with them until the point he had taken Obi-Wan out of the fight.
And we also see him force choking Obi-Wan easily when we know that Anakin and Obi-Wan had equal force powers (when they try to force push each other on Mustafar). So it's quite save to assume that he could have done the same thing with Anakin too if he liked to do so.
I'm pretty sure that Obi-Wan and Anakin are both able to take Grievous down in a lightsaber duel. But Dooku can crush them both if he wants to. Possibly Anakin is a match for him in sheer saber combat (which I still doubt) but Dooku easily pwns him in terms of force control and force powers considering the fact that Anakin is only equal to Obi-Wan in this department (which we saw in ROTS) and Dooku easily took down Kenobi with the force.
We can see Dooku blocking Obi-Wan and Anakin both at once using only one hand - but suddenly Anakin alone is too much for him ? He basically wiped the ground with them until the point he had taken Obi-Wan out of the fight.
I have a theory for this.
A large theme in PT was that "Obi-Wan was holding Anakin back". Anakin feels that Kenobi limits him, and with Kenobi out of the picture, Anakin feels a bit more comfortable, or whatever.
Another thing: After Kenobi got eliminated, Anakin got pissed off. Sometimes when one taps into the Dark Side, they... win.
And we also see him force choking Obi-Wan easily when we know that Anakin and Obi-Wan had equal force powers (when they try to force push each other on Mustafar). So it's quite save to assume that he could have done the same thing with Anakin too if he liked to do so.
Keep in mind that you need to concentrate to channel the force. Because Anakin was going through so much, he couldn't concentrate as well? Just an idea. That, and Lucas says Anakin is the better force user, yet they stalemated there.
Or it could be Anakin > Dooku > Kenobi > Anakin.
Originally posted by DePWNZOR
no...Grievous would not "wtf pwn" grievous. He takes so long to freakin attack.... And before the clones came, Grievous was still on the offense. Grievous would not be "wtf pwnd" and it would take at least 10 mins for Obi to finish him off, by which time Anakin would be dead. Then Dooku owns Obi-Wan. Either way the duo win. Dooku beats Anakin faster than Obi-Wan beats grievous. He just shoots lightening, and god knows Anakin doesn't like lightning....
What the hell? Wiat, I forgot, you didnt' see Rots.
Because if you did you would see how the fight went in Rots on Utupau.
Dooku ignites 4 light sabrs and charges Obi. Obi IMMEDIATELY slices off one hand. GG gets angry and charges again, gets another hand cut off. GG runs.
If GG didn't run it would have been oevr in like 5 seconds. We already saw the beggining of GG's uber ass whooping. Hence, he was WTFpwns.
So. GG doesn't run away like alil b*tch, and gets pwnd in about three minutes. Obi-Wan runs to help Anakin and then the duo ges pwnd by the sliced bread.
Nai...according to the novel, that's explained by:
A. The duo holding back to trick Dooku
B. Anakin giving in to his anger and outmassing Dooku
And let's not forget Sidious calls Anakin 'younger and more powerful' than Lord Tyrannus. There's no controversy: Sidious even told Dooku to fight to his best in LoE as if Anakin died, he'd be useless anyways and if Anakin outmassed Tyranus, Sidious would step in.
Hmmm.
Well, I know that a few of the upper tier KMC debators are very keen on using the official script as a source. I know that they did for the Yoda vs. Sidious fights.
The official script says that Count Dooku and Anakin fought each other, and gives no statements or hints that Dooku was not trying his hardest. In fact, the official script says that Dooku was defeated as "Anakin attacked Count Dooku with new ferociousness".
So the official script says that Dooku was simply defeated by Anakin as Anakin got angrier.
And, according to the ROTS movie commentary, Lucas says that Dooku doesn't know that Sidious has plans to make Anakin his apprentice, and that "Dooku just thinks he's supposed to fight Anakin".
The commentary and the script say the same thing - Dooku was trying his hardest, and Anakin simply defeated him.
Of course, that makes the inconsistencies even greater. But, Star Wars has its fair share of inconsistent facts. My opinion? I like to think that as the fight started, Dooku was screwing around with Anakin, but realized that he had to fight harder, and Anakin simply beat him.
But the script and commentary say otherwise. Sorry.
At any rate, going by the commentary and script - and the fact that Sidious said that Anakin was far younger and more powerful than Dooku, I'd have to say that:
Anakin > Dooku
Obi-Wan > Grievous
Dooku > Obi-Wan
Anakin > Grievous.
I'd say that the duo win if they engage in their respective duels.
They would be hard-pressed, however. I'd say that Anakin couldn't "blink" and Dooku fall over dead. He would be 'extremely' hard-pressed to do this. Obi-Wan can handle Grievous fairly easily. If Obi-Wan manages to come to Anakin's aid, I'd say that it's almost guarenteed that Dooku will die.
However, if Obi-Wan attempts to engage Dooku, he'll die, and then Grievous and Dooku team up and destroy Anakin.
You guys are still missing the point. Dooku was Sids apprentice and he was told NOT to kill Anakin. Anakin was to be turned to the darkside and become a general. Dooku does as he is told and doesnt kill Anakin. Not because he cant but because he isnt supposed to. Even when the odds are turning to Anakins favor Dooku isnt worried or fight harder to regain control because he is under the assumption that Sids will step in. So I find it hard to see how you can assume that Anakin is better when the odds were clearly against Dooku (two on one) and he WASNT SUPPOSED TO KILL ANAKIN in the first place.
Edit: I originally had the 'entire' fight scene posted here, including the dialogue. But I took it out and just put the fight, starting from Dooku's line: "Twice the pride, double the fall."
As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired . ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry. ANAKIN continues to drive the attack on DOOKU. COUNT DOOKU throws OBI-WAN back using the Force.
ANAKIN and COUNT DOOKU move up the stairs. As they reach the upper landing of the General's Quarters, ANAKIN leaps over COUNT DOOKU. OBI-WAN reaches the top of the stairs, destroying TWO SUPER BATTLE DROIDS. COUNT DOOKU holds OBI-WAN in the air using the Force as he turns and kicks ANAKIN out of frame. OBI-WAN is choking.
ANAKIN hits the archway.
DOOKU sends OBI-WAN flying. The Jedi tumbles to the lower level unconscious. COUNT DOOKU spins around again and, using the Force, causes a section of the balcony to drop onto OBI-WAN. ANAKIN spins and kicks COUNT DOOKU, sending him over the balcony. ANAKIN Jumps, following him down to the main floor. COUNT DOOKU and ANAKIN continue the fight.
COUNT DOOKU: (continuing) I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate, you have anger, but you don’t use them.
Anakin regains his composure and attacks COUNT DOOKU as the Dark Lord continues his spin to meet him head on. Their fighting becomes even more intense.
Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness .
39 INT. GENERAL'S QUARTERS-TRADE FEDERATION CRUISER
Anakin and Dooku continue their fight. It is intense! Finally, in one last energized charge , ANAKIN cuts off COUNT DOOKU's hands. The Jedi catches the lightsaber as it drops from the severed Sith Lord's hand. COUNT DOOKU stumbles to the floor as ANAKIN puts the two lightsabers to his neck. PALPATINE is grinning as he watches COUNT DOOKU's defeat.