ROTS Grievous and Dooku vs ROTS Darth Vader and Obi-Wan.

Hmmmm. The script is canon so I cant argue it but it doesnt include important points, like the fact that Dooku wasnt trying to kill Anakin. The only parts that shows Anakin has the upper hand is when it says 'Anakin spins and kicks Count Dooku'. And the last part where it says 'Anakin cuts off Dookus hands'. And these are because one, Dooku had his attention focused on Kenobi when Anakin kicked him and two, Dooku was under the assumption that sids would help if Anakin became too strong.
The point I am making is that if it was a one on one match between Dooku and Anakin and Dooku was trying to win then the outcome would be very different.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Hmmmm. The script is canon so I cant argue it but it doesnt include important points, like the fact that Dooku wasnt trying to kill Anakin. The only parts that shows Anakin has the upper hand is when it says 'Anakin spins and kicks Count Dooku'. And the last part where it says 'Anakin cuts off Dookus hands'. And these are because one, Dooku had his attention focused on Kenobi when Anakin kicked him and two, Dooku was under the assumption that sids would help if Anakin became too strong.
The point I am making is that if it was a one on one match between Dooku and Anakin and Dooku was trying to win then the outcome would be very different.

My point is that 'if' the point was that Dooku wasn't trying to kill Anakin, it would be in the script. Basically, the only real thing that supports it - that I am aware of - is just the opinions of people who are pro-Dooku. I like Count Dooku, and I agree that it doesn't make sense that he can WTFpwn Obi-Wan and yet Anakin can kick his ass, but Star Wars happens to be full of inconsistencies. There is no escaping it.

According to almost every other source that I have consulted, canon: the script, the novelization and non-canon: official Databank, Wikipedia, Wookipedia, and all other Revenge of the Sith-related books and guides indicate that Dooku was simply attempting to fight Anakin, and that he was trying his best.

In Labyrinth of Evil, Sidious said that "the fight must seem real", and that Anakin has to prove his worth by besting Dooku. So, knowing that Sidious would want the fight genuine to prove if Anakin possesses the power to join them, I'm not convinced that Dooku would go 'easy' on him.

All of the sources, and the commentary, state that Count Dooku was simply overpowered by Anakin's rage and incredible strength. Not that he was 'faking'.

Also, about the script -

It states that both Count Dooku and Obi-Wan get "tired", as Anakin gets even stronger, as the fight progresses. So, it is possible that as the fight began, Dooku was better, but as he grew tired, and Anakin grew stronger, they compensated for one another - allowing Anakin to finally defeat Count Dooku.

But, it says 'nothing' about Dooku 'holding back'. And since it's the official script, you'd think that it would.

Yes he was overpowered. I am not disputing that. But he was overpowered because he wasnt he wasnt going all out. He was under the impression that Sids would step in, this is why he was beaten. If you werent meant to kill someone and you had someone to watch your back if worst came to worst then you probably wouldnt try very hard either.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Yes he was overpowered. I am not disputing that. But he was overpowered because he wasnt he wasnt going all out. He was under the impression that Sids would step in, this is why he was beaten. If you werent meant to kill someone and you had someone to watch your back if worst came to worst then you probably wouldnt try very hard either.

Dude. Nothing in the official script supports that at all. Lucas doesn't support it. The databank doesn't support it. Only the novelization does.

The novelization's account of the battle is basically this:

Anakin and Obi-Wan 'hold back' on Count Dooku, to lure him into thinking that they are swordsmen of a lesser calibre so that he will relax. He does, and he toys with them, when in reality - he is the one being toyed with. Then, Obi-Wan and Anakin ramp up their skills, and Dooku realizes he's been duped. So, he begins to use his full skills. The novelization also states that he was 'barely' able to render Obi-Wan unconscious before taking on Anakin. Anakin and Dooku fight some more, before Dooku taunts Anakin - and then Anakin 'uses' his hatred. In fact, as I recall, the moment that Anakin 'realizes' that his hate makes him powerful, it said that 'Dooku is already dead'.

Essentially, it states the same thing. Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan all fought, in the beginning, on a lower tier than their full skill. Then, Dooku realized he needed to put all he had into it, but Anakin simply bested him.

I like the novelization's account best, personally, because it doesn't make it seem that Dooku got WTF-pwned.

Also, Sidious assured Grievous later that he: "would have an apprentice far younger and more powerful."

There ya have it.

But, I'm just tossing that out there. I've argued against the script before, which is why that I don't always agree. It, too, is full of inconsistencies. But, apparently, it doesn't mean that it's not canon. So... who knows?

The movie is higher canon than the novelisation. So the comment about Dooku 'barely' being able to take out Kenobi is a load of bull. We clearly see him force choke kenobi off the ground and throw him to the other side of the room while fighting off Anakin.
So while your arguments are extremely well presented can you honestly say that in a fair, one on one fight Anakin would win?

Originally posted by Rampant ox
The movie is higher canon than the novelisation. So the comment about Dooku 'barely' being able to take out Kenobi is a load of bull. We clearly see him force choke kenobi off the ground and throw him to the other side of the room while fighting off Anakin.
So while your arguments are extremely well presented can you honestly say that in a fair, one on one fight Anakin would win?

Just becasue it doesn't show a struggle between Dooku and Obi-Wan doesn't mean that their might nto have been a mental, silent battle. Theirs a good chance Obi-Wan may have perhaps tried to resist Dooku.

Even if there was a struggle Dooku managed to overcome Kenobi while fending off Anakin.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
The movie is higher canon than the novelisation. So the comment about Dooku 'barely' being able to take out Kenobi is a load of bull. We clearly see him force choke kenobi off the ground and throw him to the other side of the room while fighting off Anakin.
So while your arguments are extremely well presented can you honestly say that in a fair, one on one fight Anakin would win?

Personally? Personally, I'd say that it could go either way. I may be crucified by the others, when they arrive, but it doesn't matter. Once, I would say that Count Dooku would have totally crushed Anakin in a fair fight. But, then when I looked at the bigger picture, I'd say that the fight scene was loaded with inconsistencies.

So, let me put it to you like this. My opinion is that Anakin only bested Count Dooku when he realized that if he focused his rage, he could turn it into something that would amplify his skill. He was reckless, and only gained the skill needed to kill Count Dooku after Dooku taunted him.

I don't know quite how to word it. Let me just say that it wouldn't surprise me if the fight went either way. Count Dooku has experience and expertise on his side, but Anakin has so much damn 'raw power'.

In certain situations, I could see either of them overcoming the other.

In pure lightsaber talent, I'd put Anakin - easily - on equal footing with Yoda, Sidious, Mace Windu, and Count Dooku. But, Windu and Dooku have experience and precision that Anakin lacks, while Yoda and Sidious have overwhelming Force power.

Hahaha. Well put!!clapclapclap

Originally posted by Escape81
Personally? Personally, I'd say that it could go either way. I may be crucified by the others, when they arrive, but it doesn't matter. Once, I would say that Count Dooku would have totally crushed Anakin in a fair fight. But, then when I looked at the bigger picture, I'd say that the fight scene was loaded with inconsistencies.

So, let me put it to you like this. My opinion is that Anakin only bested Count Dooku when he realized that if he focused his rage, he could turn it into something that would amplify his skill. He was reckless, and only gained the skill needed to kill Count Dooku after Dooku taunted him.

I don't know quite how to word it. Let me just say that it wouldn't surprise me if the fight went either way. Count Dooku has experience and expertise on his side, but Anakin has so much damn 'raw power'.

In certain situations, I could see either of them overcoming the other.

Excellent. And Ox I don't want you to think that I hate Dooku or anything, cause I don't. i also apologize for any bashing I've done to you. Thats not cool.

Originally posted by KMC Dark Lord
Excellent. And Ox I don't want you to think that I hate Dooku or anything, cause I don't. i also apologize for any bashing I've done to you. Thats not cool.

Hey man, its all good!! 😄 😄

The game confirms that Dooku knew about Sidious' plan.

Originally posted by Master Fox
The game confirms that Dooku knew about Sidious' plan.

The game isn't canon. Point moot.

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Originally posted by e.l,m,t,i,(r k)
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Reported.

Elmtirk is on his way to a ban as it is.

Originally posted by Escape81
The game isn't canon. Point moot.

Canon is a point of view.