ROTS Grievous and Dooku vs ROTS Darth Vader and Obi-Wan.

Started by Null ARC Avis6 pages

show me a quote where Lucas says it is canon.

-canon is "George"-absolute canon; the six Episodes and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources (it's possible that movie novelizations contradict the movies or other EU sources) is C-canon (see below)."

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Originally posted by KMC Dark Lord
Count Dooku isn't the best thing since sliced bread

On the contrary, he is better than sliced bread!!!

Originally posted by Rampant ox
On the contrary, he is better than sliced bread!!!

Well, he did get "sliced" (hands/head) - so we'll consider him the equivalent.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Well, he did get "sliced" (hands/head) - so we'll consider him the equivalent.

That deeply offends me...crycry

Originally posted by Rampant ox
That deeply offends me...crycry
I'm sure it does, but it's true. And if anything, sliced bread is far better off than Dooku's atmosphere burned and decapitated corpse.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
-canon is "George"-absolute canon; the six Episodes and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon
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Hence, its cannon.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
-canon is "George"-absolute canon; the six Episodes and anything coming directly from George Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources (it's possible that movie novelizations contradict the movies or other EU sources) is C-canon (see below)."

This from the Holocron database


The movie is the final draft of what Lucas wanted it to be. True, there are a lot of things in the novelization that are canon, but there are also things in it that didn't happen in the ROTS movie. Since they didn't happen in the movie, they contradict the movie. Anything that contradicts the movie isn't canon.

So the basic storyline of the ROTS novelization is true, but not every single detail.

And since this detail contradicts...nothing or comes from Lucas...

Except George Lucas never said that Dooku tried his hardest now did he? It only said it in the novelization. The novelization wasn't written by George Lucas it was written by Stover. He didn't come to Lucas asking about every single detail. Lucas just gave him a rought draft of the script to go off of.

Lucas says Dooku only thought he was suppoed to fight Anakin. He wasn't instructed to hold back. So if he held back it was due to his own arrogance.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Lucas says Dooku only thought he was suppoed to fight Anakin. He wasn't instructed to hold back. So if he held back it was due to his own arrogance.

I never said that Lucas said that Dooku was holding back. I just said that Lucas never said he was trying his hardest.

However, it is most likely that he was holding back.

The duo take this easily. Dooku>Anakin 1 vs 1. Even if he doesn't Dooku wtf pwns Obi-Wan while Anakin and Grievous are having a huge fight, then Dooku comes over to help and they pwn Anakin.

And what if instead Obi-Wan fights GG wheil Anaki nfights Dooku? Than obi-Wan WTFpwns GG than goes over to help Anakin DESTROY Dooku. hell, Anakin might be able to do it by himself.

no...Grievous would not "wtf pwn" grievous. He takes so long to freakin attack.... And before the clones came, Grievous was still on the offense. Grievous would not be "wtf pwnd" and it would take at least 10 mins for Obi to finish him off, by which time Anakin would be dead. Then Dooku owns Obi-Wan. Either way the duo win. Dooku beats Anakin faster than Obi-Wan beats grievous. He just shoots lightening, and god knows Anakin doesn't like lightning....

Originally posted by KMC Dark Lord
And what if instead Obi-Wan fights GG wheil Anaki nfights Dooku? Than obi-Wan WTFpwns GG than goes over to help Anakin DESTROY Dooku. hell, Anakin might be able to do it by himself.

Maybe you missed the beginning of ROTS, but Dooku didn't seem to have a hard time holding off Obi-Wan and Anakin. Hell, if he wasn't so arrogant and if he was trying his hardest, he would have won pretty damn easily.

Dooku and Grievous win this easily imo.

Hell, if he wasn't so arrogant and if he was trying his hardest, he would have won pretty damn easily

Except the novelization states he was trying his hardest, or something. Either way, you're claiming it was his arrogance that lost him the fight, right? Tell me, is the Count a smart being? I'd definitely say so. Would he know when he's in danger? I'd say so. Would he hold back if he was in danger? I don't think many would, the Count being one of those many.

So, unless you're telling me the Count lost on purpose, or has no clue if he is in danger or if he's so arrogant he couldn't sense that he's in danger - then yeah whatever.

However, he doesn't seem to be that arrogant in his actions (words - yes), and they don't seem to "blind" his thought process - the example being his duel with Yoda.

In the fight with Anakin in ROTS, he was frikken talking half of the time. He was smiling and taunting Anakin too.

And yes... he is arrogant and over confident "I have become more powerful than blah blah blah even you!" -AOTC then he uses force lightning on Yoda.

Also, read my earlier posts about the novelization.