Originally posted by ZampanóHave you noticed that you only use my name when you're getting frustrated? [/B]
I only use your name because I don't know what to call you anymore. Z?
i am far from frustrated over a star wars thread, I assure you of that.
You still need to come up with something that suggests N used the force to lift the ravager. I don't even see the suggestion of that.
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightI wouldn't bother, you'll never out-argue him.
How very childish of you, DS. I came back out of boredom, if you must know.But nothing much has changed. You're still getting destroyed in any argument you enter. Maybe if I leave for another year and come back you'll have gained some actual knowledge of Star Wars.
And maybe I'll win the lottery.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
How very childish of you, DS. I came back out of boredom, if you must know.But nothing much has changed. You're still getting destroyed in any argument you enter. Maybe if I leave for another year and come back you'll have gained some actual knowledge of Star Wars.
And maybe I'll win the lottery.
Wow, what an insecure little retard, I find that amusing. I haven't been in any arguments as of late to be "destroyed", and you wouldn't know what an argument is, seeing as you've never made one and got laughed out of KMC. But your return is indeed humorous, you're trolling already. Keep it up!
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I wouldn't bother, you'll never out-argue him.
He wouldn't know where to start.
Originally posted by truejedi
I only use your name because I don't know what to call you anymore. Z?i am far from frustrated over a star wars thread, I assure you of that.
You still need to come up with something that suggests N used the force to lift the ravager. I don't even see the suggestion of that.
Just looking at the second sentence, we see that N. was imprisoned on Malachor V. This indicates that he was on the surface of the planet. We know that the gravity is roughly equal to Earth's gravity, because humans are capable of walking normally on the surface. (The cutscenes with Kreia, Mira, Sion, Hanharr, the Exile, and HK all show normal walking motions rather than the bounding gait of zero- or low-gee.) When imprisoned, a prisoner usually finds it difficult to contact underlings or associates. This makes it is unlikely that N. had help from outer-space in escaping the planet. (The existence of his apprentices at this point is not confirmed, so suggesting that they were responsible for his liberation would be another assumption.) Since N. has no way to arrange naval help in lifting the Ravager, it is almost a moot point to observe that the Star Wars galaxy has yet to show technology capable of lifting a ship from the surface of a planet using a tractor beam. Not only can N. not get into space to position a tractor beam, there is no evidence that one strong enough to do this job exists.
Since there is no indication that the job could be done technologically, the only possibility is that N. himself was the one to lift the Ravager. The quote supports this facet of the feat as well; each action is attributed directly to our Sith Lord. The wording isn't "N.'s minions used it to escape imprisonment" but "[Nihilus] used it to escape imprisonment." That last bit is even written in the active voice, redoubling the emphasis on the agent behind the feat.
Every bit of both the wording and what we know about the universe suggest that the feat was accomplished via the Force.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Quote: The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V.Just looking at the second sentence, we see that N. was imprisoned on Malachor V. This indicates that he was on the surface of the planet. We know that the gravity is roughly equal to Earth's gravity, because humans are capable of walking normally on the surface. (The cutscenes with Kreia, Mira, Sion, Hanharr, the Exile, and HK all show normal walking motions rather than the bounding gait of zero- or low-gee.) When imprisoned, a prisoner usually finds it difficult to contact underlings or associates. This makes it is unlikely that N. had help from outer-space in escaping the planet. (The existence of his apprentices at this point is not confirmed, so suggesting that they were responsible for his liberation would be another assumption.) Since N. has no way to arrange naval help in lifting the Ravager, it is almost a moot point to observe that the Star Wars galaxy has yet to show technology capable of lifting a ship from the surface of a planet using a tractor beam. Not only can N. not get into space to position a tractor beam, there is no evidence that one strong enough to do this job exists.
Since there is no indication that the job could be done technologically, the only possibility is that N. himself was the one to lift the Ravager. The quote supports this facet of the feat as well; each action is attributed directly to our Sith Lord. The wording isn't "N.'s minions used it to escape imprisonment" but "[Nihilus] used it to escape imprisonment." That last bit is even written in the active voice, redoubling the emphasis on the agent behind the feat.
Every bit of both the wording and what we know about the universe suggest that the feat was accomplished via the Force.
What I don't understand is why you're attempting to equate Star Wars physics to real world physics.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Actually, he wasn't really using that much physics. He was using logic and common sense, which I would assume can be used.BTW, physics still applies to Star Wars.
Common sense would be understanding that Star Wars physics and our physics aren't even remotely similar. Stating that gravity is roughly equal to Earth based on individuals touching the ground isn't common sense, it's a stretch.
Originally posted by Gideon
The phrasing of the sentence itself doesn't quite cut it. I'm sure I could compile dozens (perhaps hundreds) of scholarly sources that would say something to the effect of "Hitler shoved his way into Russia, marching towards Stalingrad", but Adolf himself wasn't actually present.
Who else was with Nihilus though?
Plus all the machinery on Malachor were destroyed by the MSG, as evidenced by the metal graveyard both on and off the planets surface, so his only alternative is to lift it himself. No tractor beam could survive that.
Who else was with Nihilus though?
I think just him Kreia and Sion, at some point studied there together, and I don't believe he got his minions until Malak's fall/Revan's exile.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Common sense would be understanding that Star Wars physics and our physics aren't even remotely similar. Stating that gravity is roughly equal to Earth based on individuals touching the ground isn't common sense, it's a stretch.
"a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" - physics were the same "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away".
Besides, Star Wars generally follows physics with the exception of the Force and some of the supposedly impossible technological feats.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
"a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" - physics were the same "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away".Besides, Star Wars generally follows physics with the exception of the Force and some of the supposedly impossible technological feats.
I think you made my point for me. We're not in a position to pick and choose what we is similar to our real world physics.