Originally posted by Nephthys
As much as I eloath to agree with Beefington, I feel I should point out that the people we see walking around are all either Jedi (who can simulate normal gravity) or Droids, so the gravity may be difficult to just assume is normal.edit: There, you damn nitpicker.
Not so. Hanharr is neither a Jedi nor a droid. Also, in every other case that gravity is less than normal, it is shown.
Originally posted by Gideon
The phrasing of the sentence itself doesn't quite cut it. I'm sure I could compile dozens (perhaps hundreds) of scholarly sources that would say something to the effect of "Hitler shoved his way into Russia, marching towards Stalingrad", but Adolf himself wasn't actually present.
That was my entire argument. The larger, more detailed paragraph above it was talking about kittens, so it is good that you didn't bother reading it.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
[B]Wow, what an insecure little retard, I find that amusing.
Insecure? Undoubtedly.
But you're in no position to call anyone retarded seeing as I'm pretty sucre your IQ is below 70.
I haven't been in any arguments as of late to be "destroyed",
oh so we wipe the slate clean every few months or so then? Eveyr argumetn you've ever been in on this forum ahs resulted in you getting owned.
It's not exactly hard to outsmart you.
and you wouldn't know what an argument is, seeing as you've never made one
Though I must admit I concede that argument since the databank confirms Palpatine won.
But either way, I made an argument. i also could post dozens of other arguments I've made.
It must take pure concentrated force of will to be wrong every second of your life.
and got laughed out of KMC.
You realize you said that like over a year ago on Janus' forum? And no one but you has EVER said it?
So if I was "laughed out of KMC" it was only by you. And since you're laughably stupid, it's irrelevant.
But your return is indeed humorous, you're trolling already. Keep it up!
Sure thing.
Nitpicking is a poor way of debating, because everything can be nitpicked. If that is the MO of KMC debating, then I dare say I should be allowed to begin introducing a few fallacies of my own.
RN is not saying it is an absolute fact that N used the Force to free the Ravager; he is saying it is a decent possibility.
V/A/L
RN is not saying it is an absolute fact that N used the Force to free the Ravager;
oh no?
May it please the Court, I direct you to People's Exhibit A:
Nemesis, on page 4
It might not be totally one-sided; N. has one of the more impressive telekinesis feats in all of Star Wars.
^ This is an absolute statement, not one manufactured to express a possibility.
Gideon the Great, on page 5
I was never given the exact quote, source, and citation for Nihilus's uber feat of telekinesis, so if someone wouldn't mind....
^ Here, I question the infidel's stupidity. The infidel, furious, responds in People's Exhibit B:
Nemesis the Infidel, on page 5
Shut up, Gideon.
^ Here, the infidel demonstrates his impotent rage at being thoroughly hoodwinked.
V/A/L
he is saying it is a decent possibility.
If so, it is because I made him. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Gideon
Welcome to KMC. We nitpick. If you don't like it, don't bother posting. Or, better yet, learn to cover your ass.
Originally posted by Eminence
yall wudnt say dis shit ta ma boyz face if he wuz in hurr
Originally posted by Lucius
Nitpicking is a poor way of debating, because everything can be nitpicked. If that is the MO of KMC debating, then I dare say I should be allowed to begin introducing a few fallacies of my own.RN is not saying it is an absolute fact that N used the Force to free the Ravager; he is saying it is a decent possibility.
Here, the infidel demonstrates his impotent rage at being thoroughly hoodwinked.
Originally posted by truejedi
I only use your name because I don't know what to call you anymore. Z?i am far from frustrated over a star wars thread, I assure you of that.
You still need to come up with something that suggests N used the force to lift the ravager. I don't even see the suggestion of that.
Originally posted by truejeditj, you stuff reeks of the same stuff that Trekkies use. The statements are so utterly obviously about Nihilus' power that you have to be either retarded or trolling to not get it.
where does it say he did that with the force?
Originally posted by Lord LucienBut seriously, what the else would Nihilus use? Playing a Star Wars game and discussing a Sith Lord, why the f*ck would we assume it's anything else?
Originally posted by Zampanó
Quote: The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V.Just looking at the second sentence, we see that N. was imprisoned on Malachor V. This indicates that he was on the surface of the planet. We know that the gravity is roughly equal to Earth's gravity, because humans are capable of walking normally on the surface. (The cutscenes with Kreia, Mira, Sion, Hanharr, the Exile, and HK all show normal walking motions rather than the bounding gait of zero- or low-gee.) When imprisoned, a prisoner usually finds it difficult to contact underlings or associates. This makes it is unlikely that N. had help from outer-space in escaping the planet. (The existence of his apprentices at this point is not confirmed, so suggesting that they were responsible for his liberation would be another assumption.) Since N. has no way to arrange naval help in lifting the Ravager, it is almost a moot point to observe that the Star Wars galaxy has yet to show technology capable of lifting a ship from the surface of a planet using a tractor beam. Not only can N. not get into space to position a tractor beam, there is no evidence that one strong enough to do this job exists.
Since there is no indication that the job could be done technologically, the only possibility is that N. himself was the one to lift the Ravager. The quote supports this facet of the feat as well; each action is attributed directly to our Sith Lord. The wording isn't "N.'s minions used it to escape imprisonment" but "[Nihilus] used it to escape imprisonment." That last bit is even written in the active voice, redoubling the emphasis on the agent behind the feat.
Every bit of both the wording and what we know about the universe suggest that the feat was accomplished via the Force.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallI have ended up agreeing with...yeah...
Actually, he wasn't really using that much physics. He was using logic and common sense, which I would assume can be used.
Originally posted by NephthysAnd thus a logical deduction that he would either have to have built a tractor beam himself, bring one from lightyears away, which would increase his awesome count again, which I beleive you, tj, oppose.
Plus all the machinery on Malachor were destroyed by the MSG, as evidenced by the metal graveyard both on and off the planets surface, so his only alternative is to lift it himself. No tractor beam could survive that.
Originally posted by ZampanóHe also happens to be a strong SOB. But my argument isn't for the raw strenght of the Malachor well, just the instability and occasional flare ups of strength and tectonic activity. It is stated that the main reason the MAss Shadow Generator was possible in the first place was due to the already present anomalies pre-battle. The use of the device is likely to have had a major impact on the planet.
Not so. Hanharr is neither a Jedi nor a droid. Also, in every other case that gravity is less than normal, it is shown.
And something skews my judgement to the "More unstable" side of that.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallWell, depends on if he is starving or not. If so, Mace and Dooku are done for. End of that discussion.
Sorry if I'm wrong...but is anybody actually saying that Nihilus would stand a chance if his insta-kill doesn't work?
But! Does Nihilus have a body? Like one that matters at this point? It makes a disturbing sort of sense. He could be a portable Kun, bound to this world only by continuingly devouring large populaces and the major links are is mask and maybe Visas. If that is so, then my theory as to what he was and how he really died has...disturbing implications...
Think what Voldemort was for a time. Now imagine it actually made Voldemort more effective at killing, however, he had to consume city-size populations lest he be completely annihilated by death. But waht he be attached to? His 'anchor' could be Nagini.
Ok, now translate this to what Kun pulled and what Sidious was doing. Both used DRAINS. The drank of lifeforce. Nihilus doesn't do this, instead he 'feeds' on the death that SEVERING the bond between the force and life causes. Now, you would like to point out certain techniques that would disguise someone's presence to Nihilus.
I don't think it would. What Nihilus does is a violation of what Obi-Wan spoke of, the force flowing through all things, and possibly being bound to life and vice versa. He doesn't do what the Jedi consider Force Sever, because to some degree, while that Jedi or Sith no longer have the distict awareness of the force and can no longer use it, they are still connected to it, albeit at only the base level. As most life is. What Nihilus does isn't breaking bonds or cutting off ones ability to use the Force actively and passively, it shatters/destroys the connection itself. Completely. This isn't the Blind Man unable to see, it's more like light being unable to reach the Blindman. The sound doesn't come to the deafman.
I suspect that what it does could be the theological equivalent of what Dante's lowest level of Hell is. But worse. Instead of just being so distant from God, it is a total cut-off for both ends. Only its absence and former presence indicate it was there to begin with.
Hmm, anybody get it? Oh and morning HWKA
Originally posted by Letum Lettow
Well, depends on if he is starving or not. If so, Mace and Dooku are done for. End of that discussion.But! Does Nihilus have a body? Like one that matters at this point? It makes a disturbing sort of sense. He could be a portable Kun, bound to this world only by continuingly devouring large populaces and the major links are is mask and maybe Visas. If that is so, then my theory as to what he was and how he really died has...disturbing implications...
Think what Voldemort was for a time. Now imagine it actually made Voldemort more effective at killing, however, he had to consume city-size populations lest he be completely annihilated by death. But waht he be attached to? His 'anchor' could be Nagini.
Ok, now translate this to what Kun pulled and what Sidious was doing. Both used DRAINS. The drank of lifeforce. Nihilus doesn't do this, instead he 'feeds' on the death that SEVERING the bond between the force and life causes. Now, you would like to point out certain techniques that would disguise someone's presence to Nihilus.
I don't think it would. What Nihilus does is a violation of what Obi-Wan spoke of, the force flowing through all things, and possibly being bound to life and vice versa. He doesn't do what the Jedi consider Force Sever, because to some degree, while that Jedi or Sith no longer have the distict awareness of the force and can no longer use it, they are still connected to it, albeit at only the base level. As most life is. What Nihilus does isn't breaking bonds or cutting off ones ability to use the Force actively and passively, it shatters/destroys the connection itself. Completely. This isn't the Blind Man unable to see, it's more like light being unable to reach the Blindman. The sound doesn't come to the deafman.
I suspect that what it does could be the theological equivalent of what Dante's lowest level of Hell is. But worse. Instead of just being so distant from God, it is a total cut-off for both ends. Only its absence and former presence indicate it was there to begin with.
Hmm, anybody get it? Oh and morning HWKA
I was asking if anybody actually thought Nihilus could win this without taking the insta-kill into account.