"hercules does not HAVE top tier durability. someone with top tier durability does NOT get ko'd by . . . WOLVERINE!!! "
weep
The same Wolverine who has injured and cut even Savage Hulk? And Grey Hulk who took a HE blast without getting winded down? That same Wolverine?
Im curious to see how you will answer the Hulk examples tho.
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"you think wolverine is gonna ko superman??"
In a comic done by Marvel? You can bet your ass on it. The guy has ripped and cut Hulk after all. And put him down.
Do you know how Wolverine even ko Herc? I dont, they never showed us that. Off panel wonder.
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"even in your respect thread you directed us to, he has only a couple good durability feats! facing down the possessor was pretty good, the hera showing is all right. a nice scewed impression of him withstanding the beyonder. that was actually cm that hit him"
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So Beyonder isent attacking Hercules here?
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And neither here?
Crisis. And i tough you actually had common sense on you. Nope. A guy who takes mjolnir shots that sent Supes flying and crying for his mommy isent top tier durability. Neither getting up after Beyonder attacks, neither uber Korvac, neither Hulk punches. neither Thor punches, neither energy blasts, neither godly attacks. Nada.
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"against those not-very-impressive feats you have sersi physically defeating him with 2 shots -- a punch and a throw"
And that Sersi would punk Superman. Or your claiming otherwise?
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"a small group of ector's robots ko'd him."
And he goes well against the real deal, and of all the Avengers there hes the only one who puts him down physically.
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"a fall from a quinjet was survived, but he gets up and admits he is dizzy"
And then he does other things like finishing up a vortex created by Beyonder when the other Avengers CM included, couldnt and survives the whole fall just fine.
Like getting trown from Mount Olympus to down there or even jumping from Mt Olympus like seen in Ares # 3.
If your going to use low showings i can use Superman been knocked out by Silver Banshee after both fell from the Daily planet, or falling down by Tank shots from above.
Nevermind electricity that he always took up fine, huh?
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"thor and herc both took a single blast. thor was back in the fight at the end, herc was still ko'd. even wonderman got back in the fight!"
Watch me dissect your argument like butter:
Herc took two blasts. Not one, but two.
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First Korvac is blasting him with his right hand and then with his left. One blast and he tells him how hes going to beat him and another after the boast to kill him. Two blasts.
Thor got winded down after the only blast he took.
Wman was never blasted by Korvac.
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" in the respect thread you have him taking artillery and missles and a HEADBUTT?? those are feats?? not very impressive at all. "
But Snoop said that Batman chopping DD clones with an axe was indicative of high durability for them weep
Taking missils and artillery its always a good showing for any top tier. I bet you even tough that Herc couldnt even take bullets. See how we helped ya?
Heck WW who took Superman punches in 219 cant take them.
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"ww has survived and was only momentarily ko'd by a punch that had her fly from sun to earth!"
And yet she cant take bullets without her bracelets.
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"superman has withstood PLANET destroying blasts, millions of nukes, the list is endless. you cannot hope to win a comparison of durability between herc and superman. it is NOT close. they are not in the same tier"
If you stopped a moment to read what its been said here you would know that i never even once said that Superman and Hercules wer equal in durability. I said and do it again for the last time, so pay attention: There are characters like Supes who are slighty above the other top tiers in some aspects. Like durability.
And others also top tiers who are below. Like WW.
Herc fits in the middle. Hes more durable than WW but definatly less than Supes.
What i said more? That in battles they dont showcase the durability aspect much, but instead they show the battle soak ability more. WW cant take bullets and artillery without her protection but takes Supes punches and minor hv on her face. Thats to show how tough she is.
Superman takes million on nukes but gets bleeded and winded down when WW uses skill moves on him. Got it now? Need i make a drawing of this? Its not trouble at all, i enjoy drawing.
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"strength? maybe. but not by direct comparison of in-book feats. herc drags the helicarrier, pulls manhattan. superman lifts and throws starships that are the sizes of moons! feat for feat, hercules simply cannot compete with superman."
So Superman has punched an interdimenional gateway and generated force to knock Earth out of orbit? How many strenght planetary stuff he has without a boost.
Herc has done everything from his labours, to never lose against Thor or Hulk at full power, to planetary level feats and above to trow stuff out the planets orbit.
No boost.
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"even in a h2h fight (which is silly because it would never happen that way) superman would win the majority"
No.
And sure it can happen. If Superman gets close and Herc grabs him it turns into that style of fight.
More silly is you selling out the ideia that Superman always fights with speedblitz and faster than lights speeds when he doesnt. He usually goes for the slugfest.
But dont let that ruin your logic.
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"why does ww do well? MAGIC. SPEED. FLIGHT. AND skill"
Magic doesnt come into play in a H2H match Leo. Speed, only in reflexes.
Skill mostly, and its how she lowers the gap between them.
You still dont know what H2H is. Amazing. But read below, ill help you.
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"multidimensional herc is captain marvel or wonderwoman. a one dimensional ww or cm is herc and he gets his ass killed by superman."
Still dont know what a H2H is:
Hand-to-hand (mêlée) combat is combat at very close range, touching the opponent with the body (striking, kicking, strangling, etc.) and/or with a mêlée weapon (knives, swords, batons, etc.), as opposed to firing or throwing a projectile. Hand-to-hand combat can be divided into three sections depending on the distance and positioning of the combatants:
Stand-up fighting
Clinch fighting
Ground fighting
Hope that helps.
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"oh, and if you think wonderman or namor would give superman a fight, well . . . i'll respectfully disagree. hulk? maybe a little closer."
Anybody in the top tier group can pose a fight to the other. Neither of these two are going to win against him alone or take half of the fights with the underwater notable exception. But can they pose a fight? Yes. Can they hurt him with theyr punches? Yes. They arent a class below or anything you people make it out to be.
Hulk wins against Superman in a slugfest. Aka Supes fighting like he did in DOS.
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"herc might take a couple, as i said, but that IS limiting superman, regardless of how you couch it"
Slugfest isent hand to hand. Its punching the guy until he goes down and using what you normally use. Kind of a streeth fight. On that one its close between both but i can well see a slight edge on Supes side.
And its not limiting no. You just need to accept the fact that what Superman usually uses in a fight isent enough to defeat top tier guys.
And appearantly not even when hes mad on.
Another thing you need to accept its that one style can change to another if given the chance. WW started with a slug against Mad Superman and it finished with a more H2H match where she has more advantages.
