Full god Hercules vs. Superman

"The funny thing is Olympian is using Herc. at his best and Supes at his worst. And Herc. Still looses!"

Dont be a crybaby, im not the one using low showings to "prove" your durability isent high.

But when someone does i answer the same way. Supes has been knocked out by a fall from the daily planet. So that must override what he has done in other ocassions.

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"Heres the bottom line.

Can Hercules survive inside of a star. If not then he is royally ****ed."

Why, because of HV?

And you think either Thor or WW can by any chance?

Originally posted by olympian

Dont be a crybaby, im not the one using low showings to show your durability isent high.

But when someone does i answer the same way. Supes has been knocked out by a fall from the daily planet. So that must override what he has done in other ocassions.

Have you ever heard of General Custer and the Battle of Little Bighorn?

"I'm not the one fighting a loosing battle."

You dont fight at all, you just whine and get owned everytime you try to sell a truth that isent all that.

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So he still never got back up?

And that fall where Supes got Ko overrides the rest, right?

And DD clones who get chopped by Batman is indicative of high durability. Thats why you think that HV feat was impressive, right?

Originally posted by olympian
"I'm not the one fighting a loosing battle."

You dont fight at all, you just whine and get owned everytime you try to sell a truth that isent all that.

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So he still never got back up?

THOR DID NOT GET BACK UP TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

That's what I meant. My god it's like debating with a 3 year old.

Originally posted by olympian

"Heres the bottom line.

Can Hercules survive inside of a star. If not then he is royally ****ed."

Why, because of HV?

And you think either Thor or WW can by any chance? [/B]

No they can't.

But they can survive HV through 2 things.

1. Dumb writers. If these guy's knew how powerful Superman's HV was they would NEVER use it to full potential.

2. Equipment , Diana can block the HV with her bracelets and Thor should be able to absorb the heat from the blast . Leaving it nothing more then a pretty light show.

"No they can't. "

I rest my case.

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"But they can survive HV through 2 things.

1. Dumb writers. If these guy's knew how powerful Superman's HV was they would NEVER use it to full potential."

This is how comics are, everything is relative. Superman all out should be more powerful and they state he IS.

And yet top tiers like Orion and WW still stalemate him. If not by force, then by skill.

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2. Equipment , Diana can block the HV with her bracelets and Thor should be able to absorb the heat from the blast . Leaving it nothing more then a pretty light show."

Thor can use Mjolnir to deflect it alright but he didnt. He took it point blank.

WW can deflect it with the bracelets alright but she didnt, she got blasted in her face.

Are we going to erase everything we dont like?

"You don't understand what I was trying to say once again."

THOR DID NOT GET BACK UP TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

That's what I meant. My god it's like debating with a 3 year old."

I already said it. NONE of the two got back right up AFTER being Ko. And when they did it was at the same time.

Now continue to act like you cant get it.

Originally posted by olympian
"No they can't. "

I rest my case.

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"But they can survive HV through 2 things.

1. Dumb writers. If these guy's knew how powerful Superman's HV was they would NEVER use it to full potential."

This is how comics are, everything is relative. Superman all out should be more powerful and they state he IS.

And yet top tiers like Orion and WW still stalemate him. If not by force, then by skill.

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2. Equipment , Diana can block the HV with her bracelets and Thor should be able to absorb the heat from the blast . Leaving it nothing more then a pretty light show."

Thor can use Mjolnir to deflect it alright but he didnt. He took it point blank.

WW can deflect it with the bracelets alright but she didnt, she got blasted in her face.

Are we going to erase everything we dont like?

I'm not erasing anything , all i'm stating is that they should be able to do those things , just because the story demands Diana gets her ass kicked doesn't necessarily make it correct.

Also what were you trying to get with the 'Can Thor or WW survive in the sun ' comment ?

Originally posted by olympian
"You don't understand what I was trying to say once again."

THOR DID NOT GET BACK UP TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

That's what I meant. My god it's like debating with a 3 year old."

I already said it. NONE of the two got back right up AFTER being Ko. And when they did it was at the same time.

Now continue to act like you cant get it.

Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him.

Do you understand?

"I'm not erasing anything , all i'm stating is that they should be able to do those things , just because the story demands Diana gets her ass kicked doesn't necessarily make it correct"

And i have comics showing they did it another way. Neither used what they had in order to deflect it without getting hit.

Point: they took it.

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"Also what were you trying to get with the 'Can Thor or WW survive in the sun ' comment ?"

Actually:

"Heres the bottom line.

Can Hercules survive inside of a star. If not then he is royally ****ed."

Why, because of HV?

And you think either Thor or WW can by any chance?

"No they can't."

Your the one who mentioned it. Mostly because you wanted to make a point of the Hv being hotter than the sun evidence.

"You don't get it. The fight I am talking about is Thor vs. Superman. Not Avengers vs. Superman.

Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him.

Do you understand?"

What you claimed was that Thor NEVER got back up, after having the KO. He did.

They both got back up after being knocked out. Period.

There was nothing more than that. You wer wrong.

Originally posted by olympian
"You don't get it. The fight I am talking about is Thor vs. Superman. Not Avengers vs. Superman.

Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him.

Do you understand?"

What you claimed was that Thor NEVER got back up, after having the KO. He did.

Superman also got back up after having the KO.

Period. There was nothing more than that. You wer wrong.

You don't get it. The fight I am talking about is Thor vs. Superman. Not Avengers vs. Superman.

Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him.

Do you understand?

Originally posted by olympian
"I'm not erasing anything , all i'm stating is that they should be able to do those things , just because the story demands Diana gets her ass kicked doesn't necessarily make it correct"

And i have a comic showing they did it another way. Neither used what they had in order to deflect it without getting hit.

Point> they survived it.

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"Also what were you trying to get with the 'Can Thor or WW survive in the sun ' comment ?"

Actually:

"Heres the bottom line.

Can Hercules survive inside of a star. If not then he is royally ****ed."

Why, because of HV?

And you think either Thor or WW can by any chance?

"No they can't."

Your the one who mentioned it. Mostly because you wanted to make a point of the Hv being hotter than the sun evidence.

Because this is the comic's , you don't kill off fan favorites just because logically it would happen (Remember these writers think about the money not the logic or the correct way the story should be written in)

Also , i was expecting an actual response about whether Hercules can stand being inside of the sun . Not comparing him to two vastly different characters.

"Because this is the comic's , you don't kill off fan favorites just because logically it would happen (Remember these writers think about the money not the logic or the correct way the story should be written in"

And any other character besides those would be an exception because?

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"Also , i was expecting an actual response about whether Hercules can stand being inside of the sun . Not comparing him to two vastly different characters."

Its already answered.

WW is below in durability and took it. Thor is around the same level and took it.

And yet none are like Superman who can stay inside a star and smile.

Let's try this again.
"You don't get it. The fight I am talking about is Thor vs. Superman. Not Avengers vs. Superman."

I get it perfectly fine. You want to use just one example. But it doesnt work for the simple reason that both did exactly the same thing.

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"Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him."

Answer this then. And did Superman got back up to continue to fight after the Ko?

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"Do you understand?"

Do you?

Originally posted by olympian
Let's try this again.
"You don't get it. The fight I am talking about is Thor vs. Superman. Not Avengers vs. Superman."

I get it perfectly fine. You want to use just one example. But it doesnt work for the simple reason that both did exactly the same thing.

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"Thor didn't get back up to continue the fight. He just lied there motionless with smoke rollin off him."

Answer this then. And did Superman got back up to continue to fight after the Ko?

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"Do you understand?"

Do you?

Originally posted by olympian
"Because this is the comic's , you don't kill off fan favorites just because logically it would happen (Remember these writers think about the money not the logic or the correct way the story should be written in"

And any other character besides those would be an exception because?

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"Also , i was expecting an actual response about whether Hercules can stand being inside of the sun . Not comparing him to two vastly different characters."

Its already answered.

WW is below in durability and took it. Thor is around the same level and took it.

And yet none are like Superman who can stay inside a star and smile.

Ok Olympian Infinite Crisis is a good example.

Fans : No one likes rat catcher or Seven soldiers of victory.

Dc : These guy's aren't pulling their weight , their comics aren't bringing in any cash and their clogging up continuity.

Writer : Ok how about we kill them off.

They suddenly take a dirt nap.

No WW and Thor took it because...

A. Wonder Women is an asset to DC and the fan's would be in uproar if she died.

B. Thor's Marvel , if a Dc charachter killed him their would be problems...

"I didn't think so."

Its a simple Q to answer. Did Superman got back up to continue to figth after getting K.o?

Truth to tell, didnt belived you would be able to, honestly.

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Grey. One can pull politics that it doesnt erase what happened in those comics.

Ive read Thor fanboys saying that Superman only won because DC would NEVER allow him to lose a crossover with a Marvel character. Even if he already did against Venom.

Or that Busiek did it on porpuse because he was on the verge of getting a exclusive deal with DC. Wich it actually even happened.

All crap. Politics dont matter. Obviously in Busiek and Ruckas minds, the HV isent enough to ko other top tier guns, no matter if they are lower than him on average.

Originally posted by olympian
"I didn't think so."

Its a simple Q to answer. Did Superman got back up to continue to figth after getting K.o?

Truth to tell, didnt belived you would be able to, honestly.

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Grey. One can pull politics that it doesnt erase what happened in those comics.

Ive read Thor fanboys saying that Superman only won because DC would NEVER allow him to lose a crossover with a Marvel character. Even if he already did against Venom.

Or that Busiek did it on porpuse because he was on the verge of getting a exclusive deal with DC. Wich it actually even happened.

All crap. Politics dont matter. Obviously in Busiek and Ruckas minds, the HV isent enough to ko other top tier guns, no matter if they are lower than him on average.

Under Loeb it would had probably knock them out right there. Writters dont think the same way.

But none-the-less has their been any indication that Hercules can survive being thrown in a star ?

Let's just 'write it down' for now that Supes wasn't using his heat-vision at full power (To be quite honest i doubt he would use it at full even if he wanted too since he pledged never to take a life) .

"But none-the-less has their been any indication that Hercules can survive being thrown in a star ?"

Already answered to that.

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"Let's just 'write it down' for now that Supes wasn't using his heat-vision at full power (To be quite honest i doubt he would use it at full even if he wanted too since he pledged never to take a life)"

Why?

In one case you have him figthing for the survival of his universe. And against an opponent that looked better than him the first time.

On the other example he was mind controlled and viewed WW as Doomsday. Set out to kill her.

Apart from not having evidience supporting that he was indeed holding back, what common sense explanation do you give that he was?

About the vow to never take a life" even after the "Exile" storyline he broke up that word against other foes. Against Doomsday, against Imperiex and his probes, etc.

All that were a threat to those close to him and to his universe.

So the explanation is?