Superman didn't view drones or Doomsday as actual living sentient beings. Drones were just agents of distruction sent to kill his homeworld. He viewed Doomsday as irrational killing machine, and rightfully so, it's exactly what it was intinitatially. Doomsday stormed from the middle of America killing several hundred in his path. He destroyed all sentient life he ran into. Superman preserves the sanctity of both humankind, and sentient life as a whole. He's explained his point of view tons of times.
And Imperiex itself is natural part of the universe, an event that must happen. Superman will even stand in the way of things like that, and Death- such as Black Racer in OWAW, or Spectre casting judgement on Triumph to preserve life.
"Crisis. And i tough you actually had common sense on you. Nope. A guy who takes mjolnir shots that sent Supes flying and crying for his mommy isent top tier durability. Neither getting up after Beyonder attacks, neither uber Korvac, neither Hulk punches. neither Thor punches, neither energy blasts, neither godly attacks. Nada."
Geez olympian, how in the hell can you logically use that as an example. Mjolnir is MAGICALLY based. You know, one of the things that Superman is vulnerable to???? Nice example... 🙄
OK, I'm tired of this. Olympian, what you're asking us to do is take away Superman's speed and powers and have him fight Herc h2h... why???? Why would Superman even BOTHER with that, especially once Herc said "Know that ye face the mighty Hercules, whelp!".
Superman would smile, nod, and go speedblitz his a$$ back to the stone age.
Sorry buddy, but Superman wins this fight every time they meet.
"Superman didn't view drones or Doomsday as actual living sentient beings. Drones were just agents of distruction sent to kill his homeworld. He viewed Doomsday as irrational killing machine, and rightfully so, it's exactly what it was intinitatially. Doomsday stormed from the middle of America killing several hundred in his path. He destroyed all sentient life he ran into. Superman preserves the sanctity of both humankind, and sentient life as a whole. He's explained his point of view tons of times."
But couldnt they still die? Sure DD is a clonage experiment but a clone is a living being also.
Its not if he considered them living beings or not that is in question. I think its more the fact they could still DIE and he set himself in a mind state of finishing them off.
Like the two times with WW. Its not something exclusive to SM either. Thor has gone crazy and started beating on everyone with the intent of killing.
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"Geez olympian, how in the hell can you logically use that as an example. Mjolnir is MAGICALLY based. You know, one of the things that Superman is vulnerable to???? Nice example... "
And yet he takes Shazam bolts and stays up. Its a good example like any other.
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"OK, I'm tired of this. Olympian, what you're asking us to do is take away Superman's speed and powers and have him fight Herc h2h... why???? Why would Superman even BOTHER with that, especially once Herc said "Know that ye face the mighty Hercules, whelp!"
Look, i already answered who would win the initial figth. Get off the high horse.
I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win.
And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?
In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage.
Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?
Originally posted by olympian
"Superman didn't view drones or Doomsday as actual living sentient beings. Drones were just agents of distruction sent to kill his homeworld. He viewed Doomsday as irrational killing machine, and rightfully so, it's exactly what it was intinitatially. Doomsday stormed from the middle of America killing several hundred in his path. He destroyed all sentient life he ran into. Superman preserves the sanctity of both humankind, and sentient life as a whole. He's explained his point of view tons of times."But couldnt they still die? Sure DD is a clonage experiment but a clone is a living being also.
Its not if he considered them living beings or not that is in question. I think its more the fact they could still DIE and he set himself in a mind state of finishing them off.
Like the two times with WW. Its not something exclusive to SM either. Thor has gone crazy and started beating on everyone with the intent of killing.
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"Geez olympian, how in the hell can you logically use that as an example. Mjolnir is MAGICALLY based. You know, one of the things that Superman is vulnerable to???? Nice example... "
And yet he takes Shazam bolts and stays up. Its a good example like any other.
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"OK, I'm tired of this. Olympian, what you're asking us to do is take away Superman's speed and powers and have him fight Herc h2h... why???? Why would Superman even BOTHER with that, especially once Herc said "Know that ye face the mighty Hercules, whelp!"
Look, i already answered who would win the initial figth. Get off the high horse. You probably just got here and started spilling garbage.
I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win.
And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?
In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage.
Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?
"And yet he takes Shazam bolts and stays up. Its a good example like any other."
And that would tell you that Mjolnir has stronger magic. 💃 😄
But couldnt they still die? Sure DD is a clonage experiment but a clone is a living being also.Its not if he considered them living beings or not that is in question. I think its more the fact they could still DIE and he set himself in a mind state of finishing them off.
Like the two times with WW. Its not something exclusive to SM either. Thor has gone crazy and started beating on everyone with the intent of killing.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, Superman's the one that can see souls, not you.
They weren't truly sentient beings, incapable of rational thought.
Ever read Doomsday's history? Maybe you'd get the picture then.
The drones weren't even characters to die really, just pieces of power in a humanoid form.
I've already explained how it's rationalized.
And Superman is still considered as never haven taken a life before.
He did kill those 3 kryptonians. Alternate universe or not, DC never really explained that one away.
"Ever read Doomsday's history? Maybe you'd get the picture then."
I own Hunter-Prey. You probably remember being told it all started with a baby that was cloned over and over everytime he died to become a superior being?
Incapable of rational though doesnt make any being NON living. Its still taking a life. And Superman in DOS especially in the last two chapters was willing to finishing him off.
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"And Superman is still considered as never haven taken a life before."
Except maybe the three kryptonians he executed.
"I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win.
And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?
In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage.
Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?"
You have also got to realize that Superman holds back more often than not. He's really much more powerful than he leads on. Anytime he just stands and goes toe to toe with an opponent, he holds himself back and doesn't want to use any of his powers because he doesn't want to risk killing them, no matter what they have done. However, since Superman is fighting to his full potential in this match, I don't really see any way at all for Hercules to get a victory in this situation. Superman is too fast as well as too versatile. Hercules doesn’t have a shot.
"You have also got to realize that Superman holds back more often than not"
Every major hero does. Thor has stated the same. That on Earth he constantly holds back. Couldnt be any other way considering the power these guys have.
Even Spiderman holds back.
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"Anytime he just stands and goes toe to toe with an opponent, he holds himself back and doesn't want to use any of his powers because he doesn't want to risk killing them, no matter what they have done."
White Martians, Doomsday, Wonder Woman, the three kryptonians he executed.
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"since Superman is fighting to his full potential in this match, I don't really see any way at all for Hercules to get a victory in this situation"
Your probably looking for this:
"Look, i already answered who would win the initial figth. Get off the high horse.
I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win.
And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?
In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage.
Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?"
Why repeat myself again? Just copy paste.
Olympian stop, it's worthless even debating any more. Hercules cannot win this fight, no matter what he does. You have went as low as comparing Hercules to Thor when Thor is far superior to Hercules in every way except strength.
This is just like the Hulk vs Superman thread, he's to one dimensional to win this fight.
"I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win."
That's not provable either; mere speculation on your part. Superman has beaten some BAD dudes h2h.
"And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?"
Because he doesn't need to use his other powers? I've never read a comic where Supes was losing h2h and STILL didn't use his other powers.
"In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage."
Again, mere speculation. Herc isn't stronger than Superman (want proof? CM isn't stronger than Superman, and he possesses the strength of Hercules).
"Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?"
Hello! Wonder Woman has super speed. Sheesh, and I thought you knew something about comics.
"Olympian stop, it's worthless even debating any more. Hercules cannot win this fight, no matter what he does"
See copy paste. You can read, cant you?
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"You have went as low as comparing Hercules to Thor when Thor is far superior to Hercules in every way except strength."
And durability and combat speed and skill. Say, didnt Hercules won the fight with Thor II? Set to kill him? And with the hammer?
"Olympian, you can critique the posts all you want, but it doesn't change the FACT that Hercules loses."
Look for the copy paste.
You can pretend you dont know the way hes written, and you can pretend you cant even read. Its all there. Even how it would go IF he fights in the way presented in the -initial- thread ideia.
"I do defend the H2H battle stance simply because the thread went also in that direction and in that case SM wouldnt win."
That's not provable either; mere speculation on your part. Superman has beaten some BAD dudes h2h.
"And the last bit its retarded. Why would he even bother? Why does he bother to fight 90% of the times in slugfest mode when he could easily not to?"
Because he doesn't need to use his other powers? I've never read a comic where Supes was losing h2h and STILL didn't use his other powers.
"In THAt case and If Herc gets a hold on him it becomes H2H wheter he likes it or not. And in that case Herc gets the advantage."
Again, mere speculation. Herc isn't stronger than Superman (want proof? CM isn't stronger than Superman, and he possesses the strength of Hercules).
"Shit, its not like it never happened before, has it? Hello, Wonder Woman?"
Hello! Wonder Woman has super speed. Sheesh, and I thought you knew something about comics.
Had to say it again....
Originally posted by olympian
"Olympian stop, it's worthless even debating any more. Hercules cannot win this fight, no matter what he does"See copy paste. You can read, can you?
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"You have went as low as comparing Hercules to Thor when Thor is far superior to Hercules in every way except strength."
And durability and combat speed and skill. Say, didnt Hercules won the fight with Thor II? Set to kill him? And with the hammer?
Did you just say that Hercules was as durable as Thor? no. Thor has survived a blast from Skurge that was the equivalent to an exploding sun, got up and smashed Skurges head in. I've never seen Hercules survive a blast of that magnitude.
Combat skill is equal, but otherwise Hercules is outmatched just like he is in this fight.