Full god Hercules vs. Superman

This is the thread explanation.

Two of the strongest powerhouses battling it out. Who will win? Hercules has incalculable strength while superman has other abilities and super strength. You decide.

Rules of the forum.

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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Superman uses all of his abilities. In h2h, Superman uses his superior speed and heat vision to pummel and scorch Hercules. Superman can get free of Herc since it's not provable that Herc is stronger Superman.

It's provable that he isn't, however. Hell, I can use simple ABC logic OR point you toward Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by bherrle
It's provable that he isn't, however. Hell, I can use simple ABC logic OR point you toward Captain Marvel.

And Marvel possesses the strength of Hercules... have we ever seen Marvel out-strength Superman?

ABC-wise: Wonderwoman overpowered Herc....

Originally posted by bherrle
And Marvel possesses the strength of Hercules... have we ever seen Marvel out-strength Superman?

ABC-wise: Wonderwoman overpowered Herc....

It's fine... I'm agreeing that Superman is AT LEAST as strong as Hercules.

Probably stronger, but I'll settle for them being equals (though Herc DID get overpowered by WonderWoman).

Originally posted by bherrle
It's fine... I'm agreeing that Superman is AT LEAST as strong as Hercules.

Probably stronger, but I'll settle for them being equals (though Herc DID get overpowered by WonderWoman).

🙂 No worries.

So, have we agreed that Superman wins this fight and then goes home to have a little TLC with Lois?

Yeah. Superman deserves a little nook nook after defeating a demigod.

No doubt.

"Did you just say that Hercules was as durable as Thor? no. Thor has survived a blast from Skurge that was the equivalent to an exploding sun, got up and smashed Skurges head in. I've never seen Hercules survive a blast of that magnitude."

On average? Yes they are in the same ballpark in durability. Thats a high. As much it is to Herc surviving blasts higher than Zeus attacks like it was stated. Unharmed and getting up just annoyed.

Its gets even more indicative when hes not using the hammer.

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"Combat skill is equal, but otherwise Hercules is outmatched just like he is in this fight."

Combat skill Herc has been stated to be slighty better.

The only area Thor -outmaches- Hercules its in power. Physically speaking they are the Marvel and SM of marvel inc.

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"Superman uses all of his abilities. In h2h, Superman uses his superior speed and heat vision to pummel and scorch Hercules. Superman can get free of Herc since it's not provable that Herc is stronger Superman."

Not even with a dictionary statement? HV and flight speed arent H2H.

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"It's provable that he isn't, however."

Same ballpark. Out of that you the high ends of both. What high strenght feats Superman have without a boost that are higher than Herc, Hulk or Thors?

start counting.

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"And Marvel possesses the strength of Hercules... have we ever seen Marvel out-strength Superman?

ABC-wise: Wonderwoman overpowered Herc...."

Marvel and Superman are equals. Every encounter they have, every direct match they have show this.

And hey, Herc overpowered WW later. That must means hes stronger than Superman because he overpowered someone who won against twice.

http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlaavengers2wwstandsuptotriple.jpg

ABC logic at his best.

even in the DC post crisis world, the writters always made clear she was definatly stronger. Look at Perez:

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herculescallingwwout9no.jpg

Pretty clear 😛

Originally posted by olympian

"And Marvel possesses the strength of Hercules... have we ever seen Marvel out-strength Superman?

ABC-wise: Wonderwoman overpowered Herc...."

Marvel and Superman are equals. Every encounter they have, every direct match they have show this.

And WW overpowered Herc and got overpowered later. Forgot about that didnt you.

Marvel and Supes are EQUALS, thus proving what I said... Hercules isn't stronger than Superman.

I didn't forget about that, no. But what happened later was:

she got attacked by by Hercules, the Wasp, and Ant-Man.

PLUS, all that's happening is she's in a wrestling hold, presumably taken by suprise when she was whomping Wonder Man. NOT the same thing as the fight she and Herc had where she obviously won.

I'm staring at the comic AS I write this, btw... the one where Superman catches Mjolnir as Thor swings it... I love that part.

y is this still going on. nobody has said hunc wins. it doesnt matter that hunc is stronger than supes.
SUPES ALWAYS WIN!!!

Herc isn't stronger than Superman...

full god should be. but the difference between supes and marvel is the duribility.

Originally posted by olympian
"Ever read Doomsday's history? Maybe you'd get the picture then."

I own Hunter-Prey. You probably remember being told it all started with a baby that was cloned over and over everytime he died to become a superior being?

Incapable of rational though doesnt make any being NON living. Its still taking a life. And Superman in DOS especially in the last two chapters was willing to finishing him off.

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"And Superman is still considered as never haven taken a life before."

Except maybe the three kryptonians he executed.

OK... it doesn't matter. Superman wins.

superman has probably killed more people than doomsday.

"Hey Olympian can you give examples of fights where he goes slugfest?(No hv, ice breath, speed, flight, etc.)"

Without those elements its more a H2H. Slugfest its what you normally use. Superman doesnt regulary speedblitz. Thats more his recent times. He regulary doesnt use FTL speeds either. But he usually uses flight.

Examples of slugfest?

Against Mongul. More than once. Starting with the "Exile"

Against DOS. Most of it.

Against Hunter Prey the moment he went close.

Against Magog. Austen days.

Against Kalibak. More than once.

Against Darkseid. More than once.

Against Master of Arms. The Jurgens Jla days.

Against Thor in Jla Avengers #2

Against WW at least once.

Against Orion when mad on. Both times.

Against GuyGardner.

Against Cyborg superman.

Against Lobo. More than once.

Against Metallo.

Against the White Martians.

Against the three Kriptonians. Especially Quex Ul.

Against the Superboy of that timeline.

Against Captain Marvel. Nearly everytime.

Against Black Adam.

And those are of the top of my head. A shorter list would be, when hasent he be into a slugfest?

"she got attacked by by Hercules, the Wasp, and Ant-Man."

Wasp and Antman wer at best an annoyance. The one doing all the force to overpower and restrain her with the Full Nelson its only one. Hercules.

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"PLUS, all that's happening is she's in a wrestling hold, presumably taken by suprise when she was whomping Wonder Man. NOT the same thing as the fight she and Herc had where she obviously won."

Where she had the edge. If you call that a win, then what happened later was also a win.

Find me evidence of Herc only managing to do the hold because WW was distracted with the Pyms. I have WW -already- restrained by Herc when we see the pyms blasting her. Good luck on that, better tried and failed

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"Herc isn't stronger than Superman..."

Regulary wise, no. Same ballpark of the same group.

But what high end feats of strenght, Superman have him above?

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"Doomday's as written, was made into a machine that hates life. It says so in your book. It is an irrational killing machine that exterminates whatever is in it's way."

That doesnt make it a non living entity. It was what you claimed earlier. That they werent living entities. He started out as a baby that was evolved.

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"Superman was protecting humankind from it. I'm sure Superman has gone fishing before, is he a dirty killer for eating fish too?! Chicken!? He's probably killed millions of insects flying around as fast as he does. It's no different, just on a grander scope. An unrational animal"

Your playing semantics here. Eating something for need, because we HAVE to isent the same as willing decide to kill another being.

And DD was so irrational that he understood what those scientists did to him and went after them.

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"I don't know, you're trying to debate complete nonpoints with utter nonsense to mask the fact that you have little to know idea what you're talking about"

Looking at this thread and the amazing super stroking makes your comment look funny.

So every being who isent rational like US isent considered a living being.

Yes Juntai. You sound like you know what your talking about.

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"when the reality is simply that's it's amazing that this thread is still going when it's been clear for pages now that Superman is in a different league than Hurcules."

Its spelled H e R c u L e s. I dont make the same mistake with Soopermans name.

And different league powerwise, not physically. Want to know what type of battles both would dominate? Go to my Copy paste.