The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS

Originally posted by TheSpinner
1) "There is an exception to every rule" 😈

2) "There is an exception to every rule" is a [B]GOLDEN rule
3) then there must be an exception to "There is an exception to every rule". ==> some rule does not have an exception.

4) Still SELF DESTRUCTION.... just with a different BANG! 😉

5) Therefore NOTHING is still the only known ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

6) 😮‍💨 ( Cuban Cigars! I don't know if I find them so damn good because they are ABSOLUTELY TRULY GOOD or just because they were BANNED in the US).... Oh Well!... they are a pleasure either way 😮‍💨....................Get You One! [/B]

Like I said before, my "Absolute Truths" are oxymorons.

And I already had the argument with Janus about how real life Oxymorons do exist....look back a few pages, please.

My "Absolute Truths" are also metaphorical ones, rather than literal ones. I already explained this before.

AND...NOTHING cannot be an Absolute Truth, not gramatically the way you said it. NOTHING does not exist.....You are saying that an Absolute Truth does not exist, and to say that:

An Absolute Truth does not exist is, technically, your Absolute Truth. self contradicing no?

And how would you know? I only stated by "Truths" as beleifs, but you are stating yours as a total Fact. How do you know its true???

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Like I said before, my "Absolute Truths" are oxymorons.

And I already had the argument with Janus about how real life Oxymorons do exist....look back a few pages, please.

My "Absolute Truths" are also metaphorical ones, rather than literal ones. I already explained this before.

AND...NOTHING cannot be an Absolute Truth, not gramatically the way you said it. NOTHING does not exist.....You are saying that an Absolute Truth does not exist, and to say that:

[b]An Absolute Truth does not exist is, technically, your Absolute Truth. self contradicing no?

And how would you know? I only stated by "Truths" as beleifs, but you are stating yours as a total Fact. How do you know its true??? [/B]

I think you are getting close to understanding what I was trying to say by: "NOTHING IS THE ONLY KNOWN ABSOLUTE TRUTH".

Explanation: For us to know and prove that something is an absolute truth we will always need other absolute truths to verify it and test it against. and Therefore I still say that NOTHING is the ONLY absolute truth. meaning that either there is no absolute truth or if there is one, it can not be the only one. If you understood me that way. then congratulations and you definitely deserve a cuban. 😮‍💨 😮‍💨

But if you understood me differently then I will be smoking my cubans alone 😮‍💨

Personally, I believe there is absolute truth. And that there is more of it than what we now know.

Remeber that just because we don't have a perfect understanding of something doesn't mean that there isn't a perfect description of it.

Perhaps a better way of saying what people on this thread have been saying is that it is impossible to have an absolute understanding of truth. Shaky's elephant poem comes to mind.

Absolute Truth is a person.

His Name is a Name that is above every name.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14).

For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (John 1:17).

Pilate said to Him (Jesus), “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, “I find no fault in Him at all (John 18:38).

if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: (Ephesians 4:21).

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. (1 John 5:20).

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me (John 14:6).

The absolute truth is that Jesus, if he existed at all, is dead and if he comes back, we will kill him again.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The absolute truth is that Jesus, if he existed at all, is dead and if he comes back, we will kill him again.

That would be a relative truth though..because according to all the Jesus Freaks out their he would just rise again. 😆

I doubt people could kill him a second time anyway though, because according to all the Bible thumpers out their..when he comes back this time he's going to be really pissed, and ready to layeth the smacketh down on non bible thumpers candy asses!!!

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Originally posted by TheSpinner
Sorry Lord Urizen But there is a HUGE logical hole in you statement:

A) 1)There is an exception to EVERYTHING.

B) "Change being constant" is an element of EVERYTHING.

C) According to A) and B) there must an exception to "Time is constant". or there is not an exception to EVERYTHING

Therefore you just witnessed your WHOLE statement SELF DESTRUCT: POOF! 😮‍💨

NOTHING is The only known ABSOLUTE.

Possibly the stupidest post we've ever gotten from you..

So I guess this means that your own statement has an exception to it, and is an untruthful one, that your statement of change being constant is not a constant one,(even though you've just made it one by asserting that it is), and that "nothing" wouldn't be an absolute, because you've just posted SOMETHING stating that it was an absolute..😂

Completely moronic statements. But what else could one expect from an inferior intellect such as yours. Do you even believe what you say? Or do you just make sh*t up as you go along... 😂

How does that old saying go..oh yes..I remember now, a true fool can only fool some people some of the times, but a true fool can fool himself all of the times. 😉

You're never right about anything Spinner..not even some of the times, but one thing is for certain, you definitely prove yourself to be a crazy delusional fool all of the times.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:

1) There is an Exception to everything.

2) The only constant is change.

What do you guys think ?

An actual Infinite cannot change.

You cannot change the fact that 1 + 1 = 2. 🙂

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Again, how can you prove the absolute truth of your own existance? You can't. Yes, you think. In a manner of speaking, so does a computer. Having internal processes isn't a value that indicates existance in absolute reality.

You don't prove that you exist by thinking; you infer that you exist by thinking. I think, therefore I am. And since the only proof lies in your head, it cannot be put up for significant testing with any real knowledge. So really, you assume that you exist because you think you exist.

And of course, few know how Descartes died. He walked into a bar, sat down dejected, and when asked by the bartender if he wanted a drink, Descartes replied "I think not" and disappeared in a puff of logic.

Listen to the David Hume wannabe ... Its true by the process of verification one is capable of proving that all existence is meaningless and consequently false.

The process of verification is used to discern truth :

Anything that cannot be prov en analytically (By logic e.g. 1 + 1 = 2), or synthetically (e.g. by empirical evidence, i.e. the squirrel is round the corner, so go look), is unverifiable therefore false. The problem is that it is impossible to verify anything that has happened in the past. Consequently anything that has happened in the past is false. 😄

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Listen to the David Hume wannabe ... Its true by the process of verification one is capable of proving that all existence is meaningless and consequently false.

The process of verification is used to discern truth :

Anything that cannot be prov en analytically (By logic e.g. 1 + 1 = 2), or synthetically (e.g. by empirical evidence, i.e. the squirrel is round the corner, so go look), is unverifiable therefore false. The problem is that it is impossible to verify anything that has happened in the past. Consequently anything that has happened in the past is false. 😄

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Process of verification.. 😂 Did you just pull that one out of your anus?

Then wouldn't that mean that the process of verification is an absolute truth? How can you verify something, if the the process used to verify it isn't assumed to be 100 percent true?😕

Or how about this one. If something is proved to be false through the 'verification process', doesn't that now create the absolute truth of knowing the falsity of that something?.. ✅

Blah..blah...see how stupid AND nonsensical you get when going on a "nothing is absolute" tangent. Why the hell do you think the whole concept of RELATIVISM has been stricken down as illogical and foolish each time its presented by the fool throughout the centuries?

I'm no fan of extremism, however, only a completely maniacal and delusional fool would believe that no absolutes exist.

And that statement along with the rest of my statements above are not extreme in the slightest, however, they are truthful ones.

Truth reveals itself on different ways, sometimes it reveals itself by presenting things people deem "good", sometimes it reveals itself by presenting things that people deem "bad", regardless of which way it chooses to present itself, it is always absolute in its nature, despite the relative understandings of those who it chooses to reveal itself too.

Originally posted by Gay Guy
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Process of verification.. 😂 Did you just pull that one out of your anus?

Then wouldn't that mean that the process of verification is an absolute truth? How can you verify something, if the the process used to verify it isn't assumed to be 100 percent true?😕

Or how about this one. If something is proved to be false through the 'verification process', doesn't that now create the absolute truth of knowing the falsity of that something?.. ✅

Blah..blah...see how stupid AND nonsensical you get when going on a "nothing is absolute" tangent. Why the hell do you think the whole concept of RELATIVISM has been stricken down as illogical and foolish each time its presented by the fool throughout the centuries?

I'm no fan of extremism, however, only a completely maniacal and delusional fool would believe that no absolutes exist.

And that statement along with the rest of my statements above are not extreme in the slightest, however, they are truthful ones.

Truth reveals itself on different ways, sometimes it reveals itself by presenting things people deem "good", sometimes it reveals itself by presenting things that people deem "bad", regardless of which way it chooses to present itself, it is always absolute in its nature, despite the relative understandings of those who it chooses to reveal itself too.

I beileve it was 'pulled out of the anus' of Vienna Circle. You should look it up. But i agree the process is a bit stupid, but its was used by some of the greatest philosophers of the 19th centuary. I also strongly recomend a tranquliser of some kind .... maybe some Ketamin. You shouldn't get so wound up about a cyber space debate. It makes you look a bit strange ..... Gay Guy. 🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I also strongly recomend a tranquliser of some kind .... maybe some Ketamin. You shouldn't get so wound up about a cyber space debate. It makes you look a bit strange ..... Gay Guy.

😂

I'm currently taking estrogen pills to help with the hip replacement I just had, but NOT for gender re-assignment. I just started taking it a couple of weeks ago, so I'm still trying to get used to it. It makes me have mood swings from time to time, so if I come of as an arse, just know that its just the pills. 😉

Originally posted by Gay Guy
Possibly the stupidest post we've ever gotten from you..

So I guess this means that your own statement has an exception to it, and is an untruthful one, that your statement of change being constant is not a constant one,(even though you've just made it one by asserting that it is), and that "nothing" wouldn't be an absolute, because you've just posted SOMETHING stating that it was an absolute..😂

Completely moronic statements. But what else could one expect from an inferior intellect such as yours. Do you even believe what you say? Or do you just make sh*t up as you go along... 😂

How does that old saying go..oh yes..I remember now, a true fool can only fool some people some of the times, but a true fool can fool himself all of the times. 😉

You're never right about anything Spinner..not even some of the times, but one thing is for certain, you definitely prove yourself to be a crazy delusional fool all of the times.

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Yes I am relatively stupid according to your absolute stupidity!

I am not the one who stated that there is an exception to everything, I am the one who proved it be wrong. Lord Lurizen is the one who stated that there is an exception to everything.

The difference between and I my very intelligent friend is that I read stuff digest it and try to understand the best I can before I fart.

My Statement is "NOTHING IS THE ONLY KNOWN ABSOLUTE TRUTH" which means for stupid people like me that we can know nothing as the only absolute truth. because in order to verify any absolute truth you need another absolute truth not a relative one.

Example:
1) let us assume that "me being stupid" is an absolute truth.
2) you based that on "you being intelligent" which is a relative truth.
3) you cannot prove and absolute truth by using a relative truth.
4) therefore you are indeed stupid. because you think you understand everything I say.
So let me break it down for you so it is a little easier on your little mind:

If you know of an absolute truth then it must not be the only absolute truth you know. see you stupid shit, I am a Mathematician and an Electrical Engineer. And as a bonus for you. English is my third spoken language and my weakest. Can you Imagine now how easily I could smoke you if we were to debate in the any of the other two? 😮‍💨

I am in the USA because your government hired me and that is because you did not qualify for the Job. Now Go figure why your government is paying me for doing nothing most of the day. I post to all kinds of forums because I finish my projects way ahead of anybody' s expectations and I have a lot of time to kill. I just do the forums thing for fun not because I may learn something from you or prove something to you. I just hate when people make assumption. that is what I picked the name "TheSpinner" to let you know beforehand that I am here to just spin things around or out of control. You never got that one, did you?. and while I am at it, you never answered my question: "are you a gay guy or guy guy?" I bet you did not get that one either. Check the classic definition of the word "Gay" I just thought you knew that one, because most of the guy guy(s) I know are also gay guys(cheerful, happy).

If am indeed stupid and was hired out of my own country by your own government, then that makes your government very stupid, and if you have chosen that government to represent you and make stupid decisions for you. what does that make you? very intelligent indeed?!?!

"Salaam!" you piece of crap! 😉

Gay Guy and TheSpinner, express your opinions without being sarcastic, demeaning, belittling or putting down other members. Attack the argument, not the person for their differing opinion!

Originally posted by TheSpinner
Yes I am relatively stupid according to your absolute stupidity!

I am not the one who stated that there is an exception to everything, I am the one who proved it be wrong. Lord Lurizen is the one who stated that there is an exception to everything.

The difference between and I my very intelligent friend is that I read stuff digest it and try to understand the best I can before I fart.

My Statement is "NOTHING IS THE ONLY KNOWN ABSOLUTE TRUTH" which means for stupid people like me that we can know nothing as the only absolute truth. because in order to verify any absolute truth you need another absolute truth not a relative one.

Example:
1) let us assume that "me being stupid" is an absolute truth.
2) you based that on "you being intelligent" which is a relative truth.
3) you cannot prove and absolute truth by using a relative truth.
4) therefore you are indeed stupid. because you think you understand everything I say.
So let me break it down for you so it is a little easier on your little mind:

If you know of an absolute truth then it must not be the only absolute truth you know. see you stupid shit, I am a Mathematician and an Electrical Engineer. And as a bonus for you. English is my third spoken language and my weakest. Can you Imagine now how easily I could smoke you if we were to debate in the any of the other two? 😮‍💨

I am in the USA because your government hired me and that is because you did not qualify for the Job. Now Go figure why your government is paying me for doing nothing most of the day. I post to all kinds of forums because I finish my projects way ahead of anybody' s expectations and I have a lot of time to kill. I just do the forums thing for fun not because I may learn something from you or prove something to you. I just hate when people make assumption. that is what I picked the name "TheSpinner" to let you know beforehand that I am here to just spin things around or out of control. You never got that one, did you?. and while I am at it, you never answered my question: "are you a gay guy or guy guy?" I bet you did not get that one either. Check the classic definition of the word "Gay" I just thought you knew that one, because most of the guy guy(s) I know are also gay guys(cheerful, happy).

If am indeed stupid and was hired out of my own country by your own government, then that makes your government very stupid, and if you have chosen that government to represent you and make stupid decisions for you. what does that make you? very intelligent indeed?!?!

"[B]Salaam!" you piece of crap! 😉 [/B]

yawn

😖leep:

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You sound like a little kid who just got beaten up on the playground, and who is now making sh*t up to his boys to prove that he's a man.

Here's the condensed version of Spinner's post, for those of you who don't have the time to sift through all the crap.

*My a$$ is bleeding because my arguments just got verbally raped in a few short paragraphs. Let me post as much nonsensical bullsh*t as I can to save face and make people think that I have the upper hand. No one will know, after all I am "The Spinner", and "spinning" people's arguments with my bullsh*t rhetoric is what I do best...😉*

Perhaps you are right about one thing though Spinner. The absolute stupidity that I possess, is indeed relatively infinitesimal when compared to the enormous amount of stupidity that you exude from your very being each time you post.

Best of luck in finding the absolute truth about your eternal damnation.winkiss

Sincerely,

Gay Guy

stupid

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
An actual Infinite cannot change.

You cannot change the fact that 1 + 1 = 2. 🙂

Me and Janus has that discussion before as to WHY YOU CAN have an exception for even 1 + 1 = 2.

Check out the earlier pages, you'll see. Then tell me wat u thnk 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:

1) There is an Exception to everything.

2) The only constant is change.

What do you guys think ?

Science is an absolute truth, fact is absolute truth...

Originally posted by rickyduck
Science is an absolute truth, fact is absolute truth...

I need to restate my first post. I am goign to ask the Moderators If i can do so.

I reworded it to:

1) There is an exception to every rule

2) The only Constant is change.

And these are intended as metaphorical and social truths, not literal truths. Also they are only what I beleive to be Absolute Truths, i duno for certain if they are. However, in response to your argument:

Science is not an absolute truth. Science is a STUDY that aims to discovers truths.

Fact is only what we claim it to be, by means of "proof" that we cannot find contradiction against. Even Janus himself said that rules and facts are only as true as the rules they are based on, and the rules are only as valid as the reality behind them. Long story.......

Nice point though 👆

Speaking of absolute truths, there was a dude that proved a while back that you can't prove every true statement. It's completely impossible.

I wish I could site his name, and possibly a link. But I read it a while back in a book about physics and found it interesting and wanted to share.

🙂