The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS

Things could be absolutely true to yourself, but not aon a societal level. Peopel are different and percieve things differently. THerfore, finding a global absoulute (when dealing with menaing) is highly improbalbe if not for all practical purposes impossible.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:

1) There is an Exception to everything.

2) The only constant is change.

What do you guys think ?

You asked what we think, and I disagree. There is one thing that remains the same.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

🙂

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You asked what we think, and I disagree. There is one thing that remains the same.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

🙂

But we can't know that for sure, can we?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You asked what we think, and I disagree. There is one thing that remains the same.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews 13:8

🙂

No he's not. ❌ HE is definately ever changing bro.

1) Jesus was first a symbol of Change to Jews and Romans, and his eventual followers.

2) Then he became an excuse for war, discrimination, and hatred.

3) He went back to being a symbol of Peace, an icon of tolerance by more open minded and more humanistic Christians.

4) He then became a comic book character, they displayed him fighting the other pantheons...except in this comic he is not a loving being, he is a vicious fighter, its rediculous

5) He is portrayed instead of being Arab looking like he most likely was, as a white man with gorgeous blue eyes in the movie "Passion of the Christ"

6) Finally, a sex symbol. NO JOKE.....in several calenders, even newly printed Bibles he is illustrated as sexy and physically, unrealistically appealing, even by Hollywood standards.

The popular entity that is Jesus Christ has undergone MANY changes my freind. Open your eyes and see. BEing a symbol of change, then hatred, then love, then tolerance, then super hero, then crusader, then Buddhist like peace maker, then sex symbol....its fkn rediculous how much change Jesus has undergone !

Jood job. 👆

Though I would add he still si an excuse for discrimintaion and hatred.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
5) He is portrayed instead of being Arab looking like he most likely was, as a white man with gorgeous blue eyes in the movie "Passion of the Christ"

Thought I'd comment in support of this one.

Isaiah 53:2
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Christ was supposed to be physically ugly, or at the least homely.

Urizen's point still stands that the vision of Jesus has changed.

some ppls vision of Jesus may have changed, but Jesus has not.

Originally posted by Alliance
Jood job. 👆

Though I would add he still si an excuse for discrimintaion and hatred.

Agreed! All through the test of time any monotheistic religion wheather being Muslim, Jewdism, and by far and for most the Catholic relgion. There has been discrimination, Hatred and even Wars over whos religion is the "true" religion. Too me it seems kind of silly to start a war over beliefs when even in your own beliefs it says not to kill a fellow human being. Seems like a contradiction...

some people interpret the 10 commandments (and other religous laws) to only apply to people of the smae faith.

Also, these statements are often contradicted. Jesus says, commenting on nonbelievers, that it would be better if they were stoned....but thats just a christian reference.

NOTHING is the only known absolute truth.

Originally posted by TheSpinner
NOTHING is the only known absolute truth.

WRONG👇

Nothing may not even exist 😛 , so how would it even qualify as a truth?

No one knows what Absolute Truth does exist. But no one knows that it does not exist either.

I labeled two of my BELEIFS, oxymoron beleifs that may hold true. In my opinion they are the only truths that have yet to fail as flawed.

So far no one, not even Janus, have convinced my beleifs here are incorrected. I welcome you do try 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
WRONG👇

Nothing may not even exist 😛 , so how would it even qualify as a truth?

No one knows what Absolute Truth does exist. But no one knows that it does not exist either.

I labeled two of my BELEIFS, oxymoron beleifs that may hold true. In my opinion they are the only truths that have yet to fail as flawed.

So far no one, not even Janus, have convinced my beleifs here are incorrected. I welcome you do try 😉

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Wrong. I know for a FACT that the soda can sitting on my desk is made from aluminum. I know for a FACT that it contains a total of 8 ounces of diet Sprite or at least close as possible. Those are absolute truths. I know for a FACT that my eyes are Hazel and that I have pale skin. I know for a FACT that I have naturally curly hair that is colored light brown. As said before these are all absolute truths. You can argue the philosophical bit all you want but to me that's an exercise in futility. Trying to complicate something that doesn't need to be complicated.

1) The soda in your can is pure aluminum? You're telling me that if i put it under a microscope I won't find traces of water, carbon, nitrogen, steel, gold? You're telling me that can is so purely aluminum, that i wont be able to find a molecule of any other substance? How can you be so sure? CUZ the soda company tells you so ??????

2) At least as close as possible to 8 ounces is not an absolute truth, you are making an estimate, that contradicts an absolute.

3) Your eyes are hazel? for real? Color is only our perception of such, it is only the way our eyes respond to light. There is an insect that can see 300 more colors than we can. Our eyes cannot comprehend every single color imaginable. Are you SURE your eyes are really hazel? You sure if we saw ur eyes through that insect's eyes, we wouldnt be able to find another color there?

4) Do you really have naturally curly hair? You sure its not wavy, nappy, kinky, frizzy,...what is curly anyway? Again with color brown, refer to question 3

Check out the argument me and Janus had over 1 + 1 = 2...being an absolute truth....then come back to me. 😉

You "realists" and "literalists" have such closed minds about things, geez 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) The soda in your can is pure aluminum? You're telling me that if i put it under a microscope I won't find traces of water, carbon, nitrogen, steel, gold? You're telling me that can is so purely aluminum, that i wont be able to find a molecule of any other substance? How can you be so sure? CUZ the soda company tells you so ??????

2) At least as close as possible to 8 ounces is not an absolute truth, you are making an estimate, that contradicts an absolute.

3) Your eyes are hazel? for real? Color is only our perception of such, it is only the way our eyes respond to light. There is an insect that can see 300 more colors than we can. Our eyes cannot comprehend every single color imaginable. Are you SURE your eyes are really hazel? You sure if we saw ur eyes through that insect's eyes, we wouldnt be able to find another color there?

4) Do you really have naturally curly hair? You sure its not wavy, nappy, kinky, frizzy,...what is curly anyway? Again with color brown, refer to question 3

Check out the argument me and Janus had over 1 + 1 = 2...being an absolute truth....then come back to me. 😉

You "realists" and "literalists" have such closed minds about things, geez 🙄

You missed my point the point that it doesn't really matter. Saying that can is made of aluminium is fine with me. Sure you could spend hours arguing over the exact nature of the can and ect ect. But like I said. It's a futile exercise. It seems that by nature we humans are driven to ask pointless questions to receive incomplete answers.

Yes I'm sure that in different spectrum my eyes would look different. But I don't see in the ultraviolet spectrum so saying that my eyes are hazel is good enough for me. No reason to argue for hours over such a minor detail. My eyes are hazel and that's that.

And please stop acting like a dumbass and accusing people of being something when you don't even know them. I see you do it all the time with that stupid rolleyes smilie.

DP sorry.

Hmm let me rephrase this. In a certain level you could say things were Absolutes. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
You missed my point the point that it doesn't really matter. Saying that can is made of aluminium is fine with me. Sure you could spend hours arguing over the exact nature of the can and ect ect. But like I said. It's a futile exercise. It seems that by nature we humans are driven to ask pointless questions to receive incomplete answers.

Yes I'm sure that in different spectrum my eyes would look different. But I don't see in the ultraviolet spectrum so saying that my eyes are hazel is good enough for me. No reason to argue for hours over such a minor detail. My eyes are hazel and that's that.

And please stop acting like a dumbass and accusing people of being something when you don't even know them. I see you do it all the time with that stupid rolleyes smilie.

Then why bother debating?

The whole point to this thread I opened was to challenge our opinions, to think deeper than you are suggesting we do.

If you don't like it, don't comment then.

My "realists" quote was sarcasm, gosh Lighten up ! 🙄

You don't like rolled eyes? Fine how about this 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉

RELAX...debate or leave, but don't come here looking to critisize people for thier opinions alright?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:

1) There is an Exception to everything.

2) The only constant is change.

What do you guys think ?

Sorry Lord Urizen But there is a HUGE logical hole in you statement:

A) 1)There is an exception to EVERYTHING.

B) "Change being constant" is an element of EVERYTHING.

C) According to A) and B) there must an exception to "Time is constant". or there is not an exception to EVERYTHING

Therefore you just witnessed your WHOLE statement SELF DESTRUCT: POOF! 😮‍💨

NOTHING is The only known ABSOLUTE.

Originally posted by TheSpinner
Sorry Lord Urizen But there is a HUGE logical hole in you statement:

A) 1)There is an exception to EVERYTHING.

B) "Change being constant" is an element of EVERYTHING.

C) According to A) and B) there must an exception to "Time is constant". or there is not an exception to EVERYTHING

Therefore you just witnessed your WHOLE statement SELF DESTRUCT: POOF! 😮‍💨

NOTHING is The only known ABSOLUTE.

1) I changed the first one to "There is an exception to every rule"

I duno how to edit my first post, it doesn't let me.

2)Read the above, "Change is the only constant" is not a rule, just a beleif or a truth.

3) AGAIN refer to statement 1 please

Therefore nothing....ur argument goes poof. Nice try though 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) I changed the first one to "There is an exception to every [b]rule"
Therefore nothing....ur argument goes poof. Nice try though 😉 [/B]

1) "There is an exception to every rule" 😈

2) "There is an exception to every rule" is a GOLDEN rule
3) then there must be an exception to "There is an exception to every rule". ==> some rule does not have an exception.

4) Still SELF DESTRUCTION.... just with a different BANG! 😉

5) Therefore NOTHING is still the only known ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

6) 😮‍💨 ( Cuban Cigars! I don't know if I find them so damn good because they are ABSOLUTELY TRULY GOOD or just because they were BANNED in the US).... Oh Well!... they are a pleasure either way 😮‍💨....................Get You One!