The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS

Originally posted by docb77
Actually you have no way of knowing what I or any other christian knows. That is after all what a prophet is. And being mormon, I believe that there are modern day prophets.

The same way you have no way of knowing if Homosexuality is chosen or not, if Judaism and Islam are false, etc.

You DO NOT KNOW him for certain. GET OVER IT ! He's not manifest in physical human being form, so how do you know he is the SAME CHRIST from 2000 years ago? How do you know his personality is 100% the same as it was before? YOU DON'T...you ONLY BELEIEVE....

therefore you cannot call it Absolute Truth because it is NOT...it is only a BELIEF justified or supported by subjective evidense.

But you see, it is absolute. Either he's the same or he's not. There isn't any other answer. The truth itself is absolute, my knowledge of it isn't. But as you've pointed out the truth can have little to do with someones beliefs or knowledge.

If I had seen Jesus, I would have no way of proving it to you, and you would likely not believe me if I tried. Same with any other truth. A person can have a greater understanding of the nature of a particular truth, and lack the ability to share that understanding with others. It in no way affects the actual truth, just people's perception of it.

Originally posted by docb77
But you see, it is absolute. Either he's the same or he's not. There isn't any other answer. The truth itself is absolute, my knowledge of it isn't. But as you've pointed out the truth can have little to do with someones beliefs or knowledge.

If I had seen Jesus, I would have no way of proving it to you, and you would likely not believe me if I tried. Same with any other truth. A person can have a greater understanding of the nature of a particular truth, and lack the ability to share that understanding with others. It in no way affects the actual truth, just people's perception of it.

Very Valid Point 👆

However, you do not know. That's the point. So you cannot claim it as absolute truth, until you are 100% positive, and until you can prove this to the rest of us.

My "Absolute Truths" are metaphorical, in no way are meant to be taken literally, and are subject to debate, as I am aware that I may be wrong. I just don't feel I've been proven wrong yet. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:

1) There is an Exception to everything.

2) The only constant is change.

What do you guys think ?

Which can be brushed off the table by philosophical scepticism. Tiresome though.

Death is absolute.

Originally posted by $noopbert
Death is absolute.

IT depends on how you define Death. 😉

No one who had died has told us what it is like, and how it is like.

If reincarnation exists, then death is not absolute, as death would only mean new life.

If Athiesm if correct than death is not JUST death, it is oblivion.

If Christianity is right, then death is heaven or hell.

Etc.etc.etc. So far Death is not absolute, until you can give me a definition that encompasses the entirety of death.

Originally posted by $noopbert
Death is absolute.

Not at all. You could in theory, escape death forever in the right circumstances. Aside from that, some simple skepticism like 'prove people even die at all' kills your statement.

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